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[swords_of_sunnah]

Hasan Rizvi, on Sep 7 2009, 06:59 PM, said:

First, your own ulema have acknowledged the fact that Ali was included in the "Verse of Purity" and was perfectly pure. Second, in the verse of Mubahala, Allah has called him the "self" of the Holy Prophet, as we have already discussed on previous nights. We have shown that he was also the "gate of the knowledge of the Holy Prophet of Allah" and was fully aware of Qur'anic injunctions and ordinances. He knew that Allah said in the chapter of Ahzab (the clans) of the Holy Qur'an: "And it does not behoove you that you should give trouble to the Messenger of Allah." (33:53)
Since this is true, how could Ali do or say anything that would annoy the Holy Prophet? And how can one imagine that the embodiment of virtue i.e., the Holy Prophet, would be displeased with that exalted personality who was loved by Allah? And would he be displeased for an act permitted by Allah, as He says in the Holy Qur'an: "then marry such women who seem good to you, two, or three, or four"? (4:3)


This order of nika (marriage) is of general significance and is meant for the whole community as well as for the prophets and vicegerents. And if we suppose that Amiru'l-Mu'minin had any such intention, it was permitted for him. The Holy Prophet of Allah could not resent any permissible act, nor did he use such words. Every sensible man, after careful consideration, would know that this report is one of the forged reports of the Bani Umayya. Your own eminent scholars admit this fact.

firstly we do not consider any sahabi to be infallible this is the basic of ahle sunnah wal jamaah, so keep that in mind.

secondly again a misunderstanding of the hadith. but since u r only a c&p. i cant blame you, it shows the stupidity of those from whom you copy pasted.

here the issue was not polygamy(multiple marriages) prophet(Saw) didnt said hz ali that you cannot have any wife extra when my daughter is my wife. But it was specific to daughter of abu jahal, because it would remind hz fatima the tortures they suffered from that family, which would hurt her.

So portraying into be a polygamy issue is stupidity, here hz ali was asked not to marry "only daughter of abu jahal" BUT PROPHET(SAW) DIDNT SAID THAT YOU CANNOT MARRY ANY WOMEN WHEN MY DAUGHTER IS YOUR WIFE.

so again it was not an issue of polygamy so your argument is stupid and invalid.

[manzar]

Wasil-ibn-ata, on Jun 18 2009, 06:45 PM, said:

discuss the narrators if you are truthfull

secondly this hadith is sahih acoording to ibn habban and it's sanad is strong indeed

it shows fatimah died angry and displeased with abu bakr and ali didnt even allow abu bakr to attend her funeral

as for bayhaqi then present the hadith dont just sing it

this hadith is indeed a bullet in the hearts of nawasib

brother inkaari: sunnis and i mean by sunnis the general folk are not responsible for what abu bakr did : yes they support abu bakr because of the rotten system created by the sunni scholars which feeds rotten pap to sunnis since they were kids .

i understand why sunnis dont wanna understand these issues as i was one : it's hard for them to believe that abu bakr the great sahabi and someone they were taught to love since early age can  do this .it shocks their system because they never expect anything bad from him .

ali when paying allegiance he thought about the general good of muslim : ali wanted to be part of the system to be able to reform and correct , it's better for islam then for ali(as) to isolate himself and his knowledge

salam alaykom

Mr Inkari....first thing is that u have choosen ur user name or if it is ur real name "INKARI"...means u tend to INKAR for everything, if we believe in ur name.
It is a concoction that Ali paid allegiance to Abu Bakar. U know Umar Ibne Khattab was trying hard to have sanad of ghulami (document of slavery) from the son of Ali...Ali is nafse Rasool (PBUH). Ali (AS) never bowed to any idol. He was the first Muslim....who had never been near kufr...How a person of Ali"s stature wud accept any one"s allegiance...Ali's allegiance is Muhammad"s allegiance....?


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Edited by Efendi, 04 January 2010 - 03:34 PM.

[pakisunni]

swords_of_sunnah, on Sep 7 2009, 06:42 PM, said:

firstly we do not consider any sahabi to be infallible this is the basic of ahle sunnah wal jamaah, so keep that in mind.

secondly again a misunderstanding of the hadith. but since u r only a c&p. i cant blame you, it shows the stupidity of those from whom you copy pasted.

here the issue was not polygamy(multiple marriages) prophet(Saw) didnt said hz ali that you cannot have any wife extra when my daughter is my wife. But it was specific to daughter of abu jahal, because it would remind hz fatima the tortures they suffered from that family, which would hurt her.

So portraying into be a polygamy issue is stupidity, here hz ali was asked not to marry "only daughter of abu jahal" BUT PROPHET(SAW) DIDNT SAID THAT YOU CANNOT MARRY ANY WOMEN WHEN MY DAUGHTER IS YOUR WIFE.

so again it was not an issue of polygamy so your argument is stupid and invalid.

ACCORDING TO AHL-E-SUNAT IT IS CONFIRMED THAT

HAZRAT ABU BAKR AND HAZRAT OMAR WERE WHO TOLD A WRONG STORY ABOUT THE MARRIAGE OF HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) WITH THE DAUGHTER OF ABUJAHIL.
IT MEANS ON THAT OCCASION THESE TWO WERE ACTUALLY ANGERING HAZRAT BIBI PAAK ( SATAWAW) .
THEREFORE HAZRAT ALI ( STAAWAW) NEVER EVER ANGERED.

ALWAYS THESE 2 SAHABA ANGERED.
ACCORDING TO HAZRAT SHAH ABD-OL-HAQ MOHADIS DEHLVI ( RA) IN MADARIJ

HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) PUT HIS SHOES ON THE PLACES OF HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) HAZRAT OMAR ( RA) AND HAZRAT OSMAN ( RA) AND SAT ON THE PLACE OF NABI PAAK ( SATAWAW) EXACTLY ON THE MIMBAR WHICH MEANS HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) WAS KHALIFA BILA FASL OF THE MIMBAR, BECAUSE THE OTHER THREE ( AR) SAT ON THE STAIRS. HAZOOR NABI PAAK ( STAAWAW) LEFT MIMBER NOT STAIRS, SO ONE WHO WILL SIT ON THE MIMBAR AFTER NABI PAAK ( SATAWAW) IS BILA FASL, AND HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) DID THAT.

MANY TIMES HAZRAT OMAR AND HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) WERE DEFEATED IN FAZEELAT, BUT HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) ALWAYS WON.

THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF OCCAIONS AS AN EXAMPLE.

FOR EXAMPLE, WHILE THE AREA OF MASJID QABA WAS ABOUT TO BE DECIDED. HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) AND HAZRAT OMAR ( RA) AND HAZRAT OSMAN ( RA) WERE GIVEN THE TURN, TO SIT ON THE FEMALE CAMEL OF HAZRAT RASOOL PAAK ( SATAWAW) , AND ACCORDING TO THE HADIS SHE HAD TO GET UP ON THE ORDER OF ALLAH ( AJ). SHE DID NOT GET UP WHEN THREE CALIPHS MAKE A TRY. BUT AS SOON AS HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) SAT SHE IMMEDIATELY STOOD UP AND WALKED AROUND TO DECIDE THE AREA OF THE MASJID QOBA.

HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA)  AND HAZRAT OMAR ( RA) WERE GIVEN A TRY TO CONQUER THE KHYBER BUT THEY RAN BACK. THEN HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) WON IT.
ALL SAHABA ( RA) INCLUDING HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) AND HAZRAT OMAR ( RA) WERE FORBIDDEN TO COME INTO MASJID WITHOUT GHOSL BUT ALLAH ( AJ) SAID,  NABI PAAK ( SATAWAW) HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) CAN MOVE INTO THE MASJID IN ANY CONDITION WHETHER THEY ARE WITH GHOSL OR NOT. WHICH MEANS HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) IS NOT HUMAN BECUASE HUMAN BECOMES NAPAAK AND NEEDS GHOSL, BUT HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) NEVER HAS SUCH NAPAKI.

WHEN HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) WAS GIVEN THE AYAT TO READ IT BEFORE QORESH. ALLAH ( AJ) SENT WAHI TO TAKE THE AYAT BACK FROM HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) BECAUSE ONLY NABI ( SATAWAW) CAN READ THE AYAAAT OR WAHI OF ALLAH ( AJ) OR ANYONE WHO IS NAFS OF NABI
THEN HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) WAS SENT TO TAKE AYAT FROM HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) AND IN THE WAY HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) STOPED HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) AND TOOK AYAT FROM HIM ( RA).

IN BOOK DEEWANE HAZRAT BABA FAREED GANJ SHAKR ( RA) , IT IS WRITTEN THAT WHENEVER HAZRAT BABA FAREED GANJ SHAKR ( RA) LISTENED TO THE FOLLOWING INCIDENT HE ( RA) USED TO GET IMPRSSED BY THE FAZEELAT OF HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) THAT HE WOULD GO INTO WAJD.

WHEN NABI PAAK ( SATAWAW) CAME BACK FROM MIRAJ, NABI PAAK ( SATAWAW) ASKED THE SAHABA ( RA) I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. ALLAH ( AJ) SAID IF ANY OF MY SAHABA ( RA) GIVES THE CORRECT ANSWER I SHOULD GIVE HIM THE KHARQA OF KHILAFAT.

QUESTION WAS IF YOU ARE GIVEN KHILAFAT HOW WOULD YOU RULE.
HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) TRIED BUT ANSWER WAS NOT ACCORDING TO WAT ALLAH ( AJ) HAD.
HAZRAT OMAR AND HAZRAT OSMAN ( RA) TRIED TO ANSWER BUT ANSWER WAS NOT WHAT ALLAH ( AJ) HAD.

HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) SAID, O NABI PAAK ( SATAWAW) , YOUR OMMAH WILL COMMIT SINS, AND I WOULD HIDE AND COVER ALL OF THIER SINS WITH THIS KHARQA OF KHILAFAT.
NABI PAAK ( SATAWAW) SAID THIS IS THE ANSWER WHAT ALLAH ( AJ) TOLD ME .
AND KHARQA WAS GIVEN TO HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) .

SO THERE ARE MANY OTHER EXAMPLES,
BUT COMING TO THE ORIGIONAL TOPIC

HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) AND HAZRAT OMAR ( RA) MADE A WRONG STORY ABOUT HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) AND ANGERED HAZRAT BIBI PAAK ( SATAWAW) .
IT MEANS, ACCORDING TO HADEES NABI PAAK ( SATAWAW) AND ALLAH ( AJ) BOTH WERE ANGERED

WHAT IS THE POSITION OF HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) AFTER ANGERING ALLAH ( AJ).

[swords_of_sunnah]

pakisunni, on Feb 4 2010, 07:53 PM, said:

ACCORDING TO AHL-E-SUNAT IT IS CONFIRMED THAT

HAZRAT ABU BAKR AND HAZRAT OMAR WERE WHO TOLD A WRONG STORY ABOUT THE MARRIAGE OF HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) WITH THE DAUGHTER OF ABUJAHIL.
IT MEANS ON THAT OCCASION THESE TWO WERE ACTUALLY ANGERING HAZRAT BIBI PAAK ( SATAWAW) .
THEREFORE HAZRAT ALI ( STAAWAW) NEVER EVER ANGERED.

ALWAYS THESE 2 SAHABA ANGERED.
ACCORDING TO HAZRAT SHAH ABD-OL-HAQ MOHADIS DEHLVI ( RA) IN MADARIJ

HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) PUT HIS SHOES ON THE PLACES OF HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) HAZRAT OMAR ( RA) AND HAZRAT OSMAN ( RA) AND SAT ON THE PLACE OF NABI PAAK ( SATAWAW) EXACTLY ON THE MIMBAR WHICH MEANS HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) WAS KHALIFA BILA FASL OF THE MIMBAR, BECAUSE THE OTHER THREE ( AR) SAT ON THE STAIRS. HAZOOR NABI PAAK ( STAAWAW) LEFT MIMBER NOT STAIRS, SO ONE WHO WILL SIT ON THE MIMBAR AFTER NABI PAAK ( SATAWAW) IS BILA FASL, AND HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) DID THAT.

MANY TIMES HAZRAT OMAR AND HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) WERE DEFEATED IN FAZEELAT, BUT HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) ALWAYS WON.

THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF OCCAIONS AS AN EXAMPLE.

FOR EXAMPLE, WHILE THE AREA OF MASJID QABA WAS ABOUT TO BE DECIDED. HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) AND HAZRAT OMAR ( RA) AND HAZRAT OSMAN ( RA) WERE GIVEN THE TURN, TO SIT ON THE FEMALE CAMEL OF HAZRAT RASOOL PAAK ( SATAWAW) , AND ACCORDING TO THE HADIS SHE HAD TO GET UP ON THE ORDER OF ALLAH ( AJ). SHE DID NOT GET UP WHEN THREE CALIPHS MAKE A TRY. BUT AS SOON AS HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) SAT SHE IMMEDIATELY STOOD UP AND WALKED AROUND TO DECIDE THE AREA OF THE MASJID QOBA.

HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) AND HAZRAT OMAR ( RA) WERE GIVEN A TRY TO CONQUER THE KHYBER BUT THEY RAN BACK. THEN HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) WON IT.
ALL SAHABA ( RA) INCLUDING HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) AND HAZRAT OMAR ( RA) WERE FORBIDDEN TO COME INTO MASJID WITHOUT GHOSL BUT ALLAH ( AJ) SAID, NABI PAAK ( SATAWAW) HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) CAN MOVE INTO THE MASJID IN ANY CONDITION WHETHER THEY ARE WITH GHOSL OR NOT. WHICH MEANS HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) IS NOT HUMAN BECUASE HUMAN BECOMES NAPAAK AND NEEDS GHOSL, BUT HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) NEVER HAS SUCH NAPAKI.

WHEN HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) WAS GIVEN THE AYAT TO READ IT BEFORE QORESH. ALLAH ( AJ) SENT WAHI TO TAKE THE AYAT BACK FROM HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) BECAUSE ONLY NABI ( SATAWAW) CAN READ THE AYAAAT OR WAHI OF ALLAH ( AJ) OR ANYONE WHO IS NAFS OF NABI
THEN HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) WAS SENT TO TAKE AYAT FROM HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) AND IN THE WAY HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) STOPED HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) AND TOOK AYAT FROM HIM ( RA).

IN BOOK DEEWANE HAZRAT BABA FAREED GANJ SHAKR ( RA) , IT IS WRITTEN THAT WHENEVER HAZRAT BABA FAREED GANJ SHAKR ( RA) LISTENED TO THE FOLLOWING INCIDENT HE ( RA) USED TO GET IMPRSSED BY THE FAZEELAT OF HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) THAT HE WOULD GO INTO WAJD.

WHEN NABI PAAK ( SATAWAW) CAME BACK FROM MIRAJ, NABI PAAK ( SATAWAW) ASKED THE SAHABA ( RA) I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. ALLAH ( AJ) SAID IF ANY OF MY SAHABA ( RA) GIVES THE CORRECT ANSWER I SHOULD GIVE HIM THE KHARQA OF KHILAFAT.

QUESTION WAS IF YOU ARE GIVEN KHILAFAT HOW WOULD YOU RULE.
HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) TRIED BUT ANSWER WAS NOT ACCORDING TO WAT ALLAH ( AJ) HAD.
HAZRAT OMAR AND HAZRAT OSMAN ( RA) TRIED TO ANSWER BUT ANSWER WAS NOT WHAT ALLAH ( AJ) HAD.

HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) SAID, O NABI PAAK ( SATAWAW) , YOUR OMMAH WILL COMMIT SINS, AND I WOULD HIDE AND COVER ALL OF THIER SINS WITH THIS KHARQA OF KHILAFAT.
NABI PAAK ( SATAWAW) SAID THIS IS THE ANSWER WHAT ALLAH ( AJ) TOLD ME .
AND KHARQA WAS GIVEN TO HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) .

SO THERE ARE MANY OTHER EXAMPLES,
BUT COMING TO THE ORIGIONAL TOPIC

HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) AND HAZRAT OMAR ( RA) MADE A WRONG STORY ABOUT HAZRAT ALI ( SATAWAW) AND ANGERED HAZRAT BIBI PAAK ( SATAWAW) .
IT MEANS, ACCORDING TO HADEES NABI PAAK ( SATAWAW) AND ALLAH ( AJ) BOTH WERE ANGERED

WHAT IS THE POSITION OF HAZRAT ABU BAKR ( RA) AFTER ANGERING ALLAH ( AJ).

YAWWWNNN,

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