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THE MARRIAGE OF UMME KULSUM BINT ALI(RA) WITH HZ UMAR IBN AL KHATTAB(RA)----FROM SHIA SOURCES


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#41 OFFLINE   Ameen

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 10:39 AM

View PostFatah-Momin, on 05 September 2010 - 01:03 AM, said:

<br />It look like Ameen ran like his fore father did after they invited Imam to Kufa.<br />
<br /><br /><br />Assalaamo Alaikum my dear brother. Starting another topic are we??? Trying to move away from the main subject??? It's the usual thing with you boys. Now come on sunshine! You claimed that Hazrath Abu Talib [ra] did not give his daughter in marriage to the Prophet [pbuh] Where is the reference sunshine??? I am still waiting. As for your information I am a syed and my forefather is [Syedushohadah] Hazrath Hussain [ra]. On my behalf shame on those who invited Imaam to Kufa and then betrayed him and also double shame on those who made excuses and did not travel with Imaam then when Imaam was betrayed they did not come to his aid. So those people of Kufa who betrayed the Imaam by not helping him are disgraced. Also those people of Madina who refused to travel with the Imaam and left him to ride on his own then refused to come to his aid and allowed him to be slaughtered are not double but triple disgraced. Wassalaam.

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 11:50 AM

View PostAmeen, on 01 October 2010 - 10:39 AM, said:

Assalaamo Alaikum my dear brother.
...As for your information I am a syed and my forefather is [Syedushohadah] Hazrath Hussain [ra]... Wassalaam.

Walaikum Salam,

Does it gurrantee paradise for you?

Even if you are the children of Imam Hussain (ra), you are not on the Aqeedah in which Imam Hussain (ra) was.

Nowadays everyone claims to be Syed and Children of Imam Hussain (ra) and Children of Muhammad . Imam Hussain (ra) was part of Main Stream Islam and was not part of sects. Thanks,

Karim Aga Khan is the Imaeli Imam and he claims to be the direct descendent of Muhammad http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image008.gif. These shia sects use these tactics to fool the people.

Thanks,

Edited by AbuMuslimKhorasani, 01 October 2010 - 12:06 PM.


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Posted 02 October 2010 - 01:30 AM

View PostAbuMuslimKhorasani, on 01 October 2010 - 11:50 AM, said:

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View PostAmeen, on 01 October 2010 - 10:39 AM, said:

Assalaamo Alaikum my dear brother. <br />...As for your information I am a syed and my forefather is [Syedushohadah] Hazrath Hussain [ra]... Wassalaam.
<br /><br />Walaikum Salam,<br /><br />Does it gurrantee paradise for you? <br /><br />Even if you are the children of Imam Hussain (ra), you are not on the Aqeedah in which Imam Hussain (ra) was. <br /><br />Nowadays everyone claims to be Syed and Children of Imam Hussain (ra) and Children of Muhammad . Imam Hussain (ra) was part of Main Stream Islam and was not part of sects. Thanks,<br /><br />Karim Aga Khan is the Imaeli Imam and he claims to be the direct descendent of Muhammad <img src='http://islamic-forum...lt/image008.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image008.gif' />. These shia sects use these tactics to fool the people. <br /><br />Thanks,<br />
<br /><br /><br />

Brother Abu MuslimKhorasani very well said..This guy and Shias make the fun of religion....the think being Syed its guarantee you heaven and superiority....This is one of there deviation.
As far as is concerned he is pure form of Rafadi.......t  his guy lied here that he is Sunni...............

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Posted 09 October 2010 - 10:08 AM

View PostWasil-ibn-ata, on 08 July 2009 - 10:06 PM, said:

<br /><b>First of all most hadiths you presented are extremely weak<br /><br />but this is not the issue : why do act like you are bringing something new ???<br /><br />YES omar married umm kolthoom but this was by compulsion and by threats <br /><br />imam ali didnt want her to marry abu bakr but his uncle al-abbas interfered and warned ali(as) against the consequenses so imam ali asked al-abbas (his uncle) to decide on his behalf for this matter and al-abbas married umm kolthoom to omar </b><br /><br /><b>umm kolthoom gave omar a son called zaid and he died the same day as ummkolthoom (ra)</b><br />
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Nouzibillah, how can u sya that Moula Ali (A.S) was forced by his brother to marry her daughter to an old ..........................   This is disgusting, this is not a perception of Shia Itna Ashariya, insted bot the sisters were married to their cousins the jaffer brothers.

Curse of Allah and his Rasool on those people who lenent people to such foolish discussions and claim to b real muslim, may allah curse them who disobey Ahl-Bayt and preach anti-Ahl-Bayt teachings

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Posted 09 October 2010 - 03:43 PM

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Posted 09 October 2010 - 06:25 PM

View PostAbuMuslimKhorasani, on 01 October 2010 - 11:50 AM, said:

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View PostAmeen, on 01 October 2010 - 10:39 AM, said:

Assalaamo Alaikum my dear brother. <br />...As for your information I am a syed and my forefather is [Syedushohadah] Hazrath Hussain [ra]... Wassalaam.
<br /><br />Walaikum Salam,<br /><br />Does it gurrantee paradise for you? <br /><br />Even if you are the children of Imam Hussain (ra), you are not on the Aqeedah in which Imam Hussain (ra) was. <br /><br />Nowadays everyone claims to be Syed and Children of Imam Hussain (ra) and Children of Muhammad . Imam Hussain (ra) was part of Main Stream Islam and was not part of sects. Thanks,<br /><br />Karim Aga Khan is the Imaeli Imam and he claims to be the direct descendent of Muhammad <img src='http://islamic-forum...lt/image008.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image008.gif' />. These shia sects use these tactics to fool the people. <br /><br />Thanks,<br />
<br /><br /><br />Assalaamo Alaikum. Does it guarantee paradise for you??? Your absolutely right! No it does not. Now by being a Sahabee does this guarantee you paradise??? No it does not. You are going to be judged according to your deeds. It does not matter who you are. You are not on the aqeedah on which Imaam Hussain [ra] was??? What makes you so sure??? What was Imaam Hussain's [ra] aqeedah??? I only mentioned my cast since the boys seem to know more about me and my forefathers rather than myself. Wassalaam.

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Posted 09 October 2010 - 06:38 PM

View PostAli Shah Hussain, on 02 October 2010 - 01:30 AM, said:

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View PostAbuMuslimKhorasani, on 01 October 2010 - 11:50 AM, said:

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View PostAmeen, on 01 October 2010 - 10:39 AM, said:

Assalaamo Alaikum my dear brother. &amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;...As for your information I am a syed and my forefather is [Syedushohadah] Hazrath Hussain [ra]... Wassalaam.
&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;Walaikum Salam,&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;Does it gurrantee paradise for you? &amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;Even if you are the children of Imam Hussain (ra), you are not on the Aqeedah in which Imam Hussain (ra) was. &amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;Nowadays everyone claims to be Syed and Children of Imam Hussain (ra) and Children of Muhammad . Imam Hussain (ra) was part of Main Stream Islam and was not part of sects. Thanks,&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;Karim Aga Khan is the Imaeli Imam and he claims to be the direct descendent of Muhammad &amp;lt;img src='http://islamic-forum...lt/image008.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='&lt;img src='http://islamic-forum...lt/image008.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='<img src='http://islamic-forum...lt/image008.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image008.gif' />' /&gt;' /&amp;gt;. These shia sects use these tactics to fool the people. &amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;Thanks,&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;
&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Brother Abu MuslimKhorasani very well said..This guy and Shias make the fun of religion....the think being Syed its guarantee you heaven and superiority....This is one of there deviation.&lt;br /&gt;As far as is concerned he is pure form of Rafadi.......this guy lied here that he is Sunni...............&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Assalaamo Alaikum my love. It seems to me you have not brought about any change with in you. Ramazan has passed but it has not brought any wonders on you. Lets look at your foolish claims. Me and Shia make fun of religion??? Sunshine! You have failed to prove anything. Why dont you back this claim of yours. We think being Syed is some sort of guarantee??? Since when did we say that??? You just like to put your own words in peoples mouths. Let me make this clear to you being a Syed is NOT and I repeat is NOT a guarantee to heaven. As far as superiority is concerned vast majority of the Ahle Sunnah belief that Syed is the superior cast. Vast majority of the Ahle Sunnah peer if not all are Syed. I lied here that I was a Sunni??? You have accused me of lying time and time again. You are the accuser so its your job to put forward the evidence and prove me as a liar which you have constanly failed up till now. Get your facts right and please do some home work before you come on because you sound embarrassing. Wassalaam.

Edited by Ameen, 09 October 2010 - 06:44 PM.


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Posted 09 October 2010 - 06:45 PM

View PostAmeen, on 09 October 2010 - 06:25 PM, said:

  Assalaamo Alaikum. Does it guarantee paradise for you??? Your absolutely right! No it does not. Now by being a Sahabee does this guarantee you paradise??? No it does not. You are going to be judged according to your deeds. It does not matter who you are. You are not on the aqeedah on which Imaam Hussain [ra] was??? What makes you so sure??? What was Imaam Hussain's [ra] aqeedah??? I only mentioned my cast since the boys seem to know more about me and my forefathers rather than myself. Wassalaam.<br />

Walaikum Salam,

This is silly post. Being a Sahabee and a syed is totally different thing.

Imam Hussain's (ra) aqeedah was that of the majority Muslims not the aqeedah of deviant sects.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 12:19 PM

View PostAmeen, on 09 October 2010 - 06:38 PM, said:

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View PostAli Shah Hussain, on 02 October 2010 - 01:30 AM, said:

&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;

View PostAbuMuslimKhorasani, on 01 October 2010 - 11:50 AM, said:

&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;

View PostAmeen, on 01 October 2010 - 10:39 AM, said:

Assalaamo Alaikum my dear brother. &amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;...As for your information I am a syed and my forefather is [Syedushohadah] Hazrath Hussain [ra]... Wassalaam.
&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;Walaikum Salam,&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;Does it gurrantee paradise for you? &amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;Even if you are the children of Imam Hussain (ra), you are not on the Aqeedah in which Imam Hussain (ra) was. &amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;Nowadays everyone claims to be Syed and Children of Imam Hussain (ra) and Children of Muhammad . Imam Hussain (ra) was part of Main Stream Islam and was not part of sects. Thanks,&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;Karim Aga Khan is the Imaeli Imam and he claims to be the direct descendent of Muhammad &amp;amp;lt;img src='http://islamic-forum...lt/image008.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='&amp;lt;img src='http://islamic-forum...lt/image008.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='&lt;img src='http://islamic-forum...lt/image008.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='<img src='http://islamic-forum...lt/image008.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image008.gif' />' /&gt;' /&amp;gt;' /&amp;amp;gt;. These shia sects use these tactics to fool the people. &amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;Thanks,&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;Brother Abu MuslimKhorasani very well said..This guy and Shias make the fun of religion....the think being Syed its guarantee you heaven and superiority....This is one of there deviation.&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;As far as is concerned he is pure form of Rafadi.......this guy lied here that he is Sunni...............&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;
&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;Assalaamo Alaikum my love. It seems to me you have not brought about any change with in you. Ramazan has passed but it has not brought any wonders on you. Lets look at your foolish claims. Me and Shia make fun of religion??? Sunshine! You have failed to prove anything. Why dont you back this claim of yours. We think being Syed is some sort of guarantee??? Since when did we say that??? You just like to put your own words in peoples mouths. Let me make this clear to you being a Syed is NOT and I repeat is NOT a guarantee to heaven. As far as superiority is concerned vast majority of the Ahle Sunnah belief that Syed is the superior cast. Vast majority of the Ahle Sunnah peer if not all are Syed. I lied here that I was a Sunni??? You have accused me of lying time and time again. You are the accuser so its your job to put forward the evidence and prove me as a liar which you have constanly failed up till now. Get your facts right and please do some home work before you come on because you sound embarrassing. Wassalaam.<br />
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ameeeeeeeeeeeeeen.................its already u r a biggggggggggggg liaaar

u lied that...........over 200 Ahle Sunnah books that claim about [Tehreef-e-Quran)..........
http://islamic-forum...showtopic=12302

all users here..........plz note that he failed to give answer to this.........its over a month now....

and again he claimed that.........he will prove....here is the thread
Ameen said :(Assalaamo Alaikum my dear brother. It's simple! The Shia keep their fast from dawn till dusk were as the Ahle Sunnah keep theirs from dawn till sunset. There is a difference between sunset and dusk. I will give you a detailed response from Quran and Hadees later on. Wassalaam.) <

here is the thread
http://islamic-forum...showtopic=12328

ameen u are a very shaaaaaaaameless personnnnn.....i have not seen such shameless person in my entire life

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 03:04 PM

A narration attributed to Ali ibn Ibrahim from his father Ibrahim ibn Hashim, from Ibn Abi Umayr, from Hisham ibn Salim and Hammad, from Zurarah reports: Abu Abdullah (Imam Jaafar) said regarding the marriage of Umm Kulthoom: "That was a "vagina" who was taken from us by force."Arabic: علي بن إبراهيم، عن أبيه، عن ابن أبي عمير، عن هشام بن سالم، وحماد، عن زرارة، عن أبي عبدالله (ع) في تزويج أم كلثوم فقال: إن ذلك فرج غصبناهShi'as tend to view this as Sahih [7] and have included it in Furu al-Kafi [8]

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 03:06 PM

A narration reports: 'Umar bin Al-Khattab distributed some garments amongst the women of Medina. One good garment remained, and one of those present with him said, "O chief of the believers! Give this garment to your wife, the (grand) daughter of Allah's Apostle." They meant Um Kalthum, the daughter of 'Ali. 'Umar said, Um Salit has more right (to have it)." Um Salit was amongst those Ansari women who had given the pledge of allegiance to Allah's Apostle.' 'Umar said, "She (i.e. Um Salit) used to carry the water skins for us on the day of Uhud."Sunnis tend to view this as Sahih and have included it in Sahih Bukhari

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 03:11 PM

The shi'i authors Muhammad Al-Hassun and Umm 'Ali Mashkur stated in their book A'lam al-Nisaa al-Mu'minat: The marriage of Umm Kulthum to Umar ibn al-Khattab is counted amongst the important issues presented to us by Islamic history, and as one of those matters around which debate and research has continued at lengthand still continues. Those who regard this marriage as an authentic fact use it to prove the righteousness of her husband [Umar] and Alis acceptance of him. Otherwise, why would he give him his daughter in marriage? As for those who reject the historic occurrence of the marriage, or are of the opinion that it took place under pressure which Umar brought to bear upon Ali use this issue to justify the unrighteousness and viciousness of Umar, and that Ali u did not approve of him

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 03:13 PM

Shaykh Tabarsi, a 12th century Shi'a Islamic scholar also believed that Umm Kulthum bint Ali married Umar. He wrote following in his book Ilam al-Wara bi-Alam al-Huda: As for Umm Kulthoom, she is the one whom Umar ibn al-Khattab married. Our associates say that he (Ali) only married her to him after putting up a lot of resistance, severe refusals and finding excuses. Ultimately he was forced by circumstances to turn her matter over to Abbas ibn Abd al-Muttalib who married her off

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 03:19 PM

ameen........dont run away lolzzzzzzzzzzz.....................refer post no:49

Edited by sachamuslim, 10 October 2010 - 03:20 PM.


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Posted 11 October 2010 - 12:18 AM

Hazrat Umar [RA] Ka Nikkah Hazrat Umm-e-Kalsoom [RA] Part 1:



Hazrat Umar [RA] Ka Nikkah Hazrat Umm-e-Kalsoom [RA] Part 2:



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Posted 14 November 2010 - 03:19 AM

View PostAmeen, on 09 October 2010 - 06:38 PM, said:

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View PostAli Shah Hussain, on 02 October 2010 - 01:30 AM, said:

&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;

View PostAbuMuslimKhorasani, on 01 October 2010 - 11:50 AM, said:

&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;

View PostAmeen, on 01 October 2010 - 10:39 AM, said:

Assalaamo Alaikum my dear brother. &amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;...As for your information I am a syed and my forefather is [Syedushohadah] Hazrath Hussain [ra]... Wassalaam.
&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;Walaikum Salam,&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;Does it gurrantee paradise for you? &amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;Even if you are the children of Imam Hussain (ra), you are not on the Aqeedah in which Imam Hussain (ra) was. &amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;Nowadays everyone claims to be Syed and Children of Imam Hussain (ra) and Children of Muhammad . Imam Hussain (ra) was part of Main Stream Islam and was not part of sects. Thanks,&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;Karim Aga Khan is the Imaeli Imam and he claims to be the direct descendent of Muhammad &amp;amp;lt;img src='http://islamic-forum...lt/image008.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='&amp;lt;img src='http://islamic-forum...lt/image008.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='&lt;img src='http://islamic-forum...lt/image008.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='<img src='http://islamic-forum...lt/image008.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image008.gif' />' /&gt;' /&amp;gt;' /&amp;amp;gt;. These shia sects use these tactics to fool the people. &amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;Thanks,&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;Brother Abu MuslimKhorasani very well said..This guy and Shias make the fun of religion....the think being Syed its guarantee you heaven and superiority....This is one of there deviation.&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;As far as is concerned he is pure form of Rafadi.......this guy lied here that he is Sunni...............&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;
&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;Assalaamo Alaikum my love. It seems to me you have not brought about any change with in you. Ramazan has passed but it has not brought any wonders on you. Lets look at your foolish claims. Me and Shia make fun of religion??? Sunshine! You have failed to prove anything. Why dont you back this claim of yours. We think being Syed is some sort of guarantee??? Since when did we say that??? You just like to put your own words in peoples mouths. Let me make this clear to you being a Syed is NOT and I repeat is NOT a guarantee to heaven. As far as superiority is concerned vast majority of the Ahle Sunnah belief that Syed is the superior cast. Vast majority of the Ahle Sunnah peer if not all are Syed. I lied here that I was a Sunni??? You have accused me of lying time and time again. You are the accuser so its your job to put forward the evidence and prove me as a liar which you have constanly failed up till now. Get your facts right and please do some home work before you come on because you sound embarrassing. Wassalaam.<br />
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Hmmm i love when deviant pop like corn as right now you have been popping up...........Well  lets call the curse of ALLAH BE UPON LAIR?Agree?why you didnt claim here to be Sunni first?Curse be upon lair say Ameen...
Which Majority of Ahle Sunnah said that syed is superior caste?anyone Muslim claim that must be deviant.........................like you............anyhow I dont blame you since you are the PROFESSIONAL LAIR................and yours religion do believe of mysterious things...............let see how..............Racism in Shiaism..... It is written in the Shia book Tareekh-al-Islam that when Allah becomes happy, then He talks in Persian, and He only speaks Arabic when He becomes annoyed. (Tareekh-al-Islam, p.163)

1)Amirul-Mumineen Ali [as] said:
Beware of marrying the Negroes (Zunj) for they are an ugly creation. (al-Kafi, fil Furoo: Book of Nikah, Chapter: Whom Are Disliked for Marriage, Narration 1).

2)Imam Abu Abdullah [as] said:

Do not [even] buy anyone who is a Negronever marry anyone of the Kurdish (people) for they are part of the Jinn (demons) (al-Kafi, fil Furoo: Book of Nikah, Chapter: Whom Are Disliked for Marriage, Narration 2)
3)He further said:
India, Sindh and Qindhnot a single one of them [from there] is intelligent. (al-Kafi, fil Furoo: Book of Nikah, Chapter: Whom Are Disliked for Marriage, Narration 3)
Want some more,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,if not then shut the mouth

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 03:21 AM

View Postsachamuslim, on 10 October 2010 - 03:19 PM, said:

<br />ameen........dont run away lolzzzzzzzzzzz.....................refer post no:49<br />
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Salam Sachamuslim brother..............Have you ever seen this liar Rafadi (Ameen)has ever answered any question?rather he always open new thread to avoid truth threats...............lol

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Posted 19 December 2010 - 10:24 PM

Umar's Marriage to Umm Kulthum By Nader Zaveri (Shia)

The marriage of `Umar to Umm Kulthoom, daughter of Imaam `Alee (عليه السلام), is seen as very controversial. Unfortunately, our Shee`ahs, try their very best by taking shaadh (odd/rare) historical accounts in order to prove that Umm Kulthoom did not marry `Umar. This is utterly wrong both historically and through our Shee`ah books.

In this article, my concern is not on the books of history written by Sunnees or any other sect, my concern, as it is always, is what is said about the marriage between Umm Kulthoom and `Umar in the Shee`ah books. Have the Imaams talked about this?

I will present SaHeeH (Authentic), Hasan (Good), Muwaththaq (Reliable) aHaadeeth from the books of the Shee`ah in which it clearly states that `Umar married Umm Kulthoom.

I want to merely discuss whether the marriage occurred or not, because this seems to be the main concern amongst the shee`ahs. I do not want to get into if this is a faDaail (merit) of `Umar or if it isnt.

Here are two aHaadeeth that talk about where women should stay during her `iddah, when her husband dies. Notice whose example the Imaams give to answer the question.


مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى وَ غَيْرُهُ عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عِيسَى عَنِ الْحُسَيْنِ بْنِ سَعِيدٍ عَنِ النَّضْرِ بْنِ سُوَيْدٍ عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ سَالِمٍ عَنْ سُلَيْمَانَ بْنِ خَالِدٍ قَالَ سَأَلْتُ أَبَا عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع عَنِ امْرَأَةٍ تُوُفِّيَ زَوْجُهَا أَيْنَ تَعْتَدُّ فِي بَيْتِ زَوْجِهَا تَعْتَدُّ أَوْ حَيْثُ شَاءَتْ قَالَ بَلَى حَيْثُ شَاءَتْ ثُمَّ قَالَ إِنَّ عَلِيّاً ع لَمَّا مَاتَ عُمَرُ أَتَى أُمَّ كُلْثُومٍ فَأَخَذَ بِيَدِهَا فَانْطَلَقَ بِهَا إِلَى بَيْتِهِ

From Sulaymaan bin Khaalid he said: I asked Abaa `Abd Allaah (عليه السلام) about a woman whose husband dies, where should she do her `iddah, in the house of her husband, or wherever she wants? He (عليه السلام) said: Yes, wherever she wants, then he (عليه السلام) said: That `Alee (عليه السلام) brought Umm Kulthoom to his home when she became free, when `Umar died
Source:

1.     Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 6, pg. 115, hadeeth # 1
Grading:
1.       Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Muwaththaq (Reliable)
Miraat Al-`Uqool, vol. 21, pg. 197
2.       Al-Majlisi I (Al-Majlisis Father) said this hadeeth is SaHeeH (Authentic)
RawDah Al-Muttaqqoon, vol. 9, pg. 89
3.       Al-Meelaanee said this hadeeth has a SaHeeH Sanad
Tazawwaj Umm Kulthoom with `Umar, pg. 28
MaHaaDiraat fee Al-`Itiqaadaat, vol. 2, pg. 696


حُمَيْدُ بْنُ زِيَادٍ عَنِ ابْنِ سَمَاعَةَ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ زِيَادٍ عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ سِنَانٍ وَ مُعَاوِيَةَ بْنِ عَمَّارٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع قَالَ سَأَلْتُهُ عَنِ الْمَرْأَةِ الْمُتَوَفَّى عَنْهَا زَوْجُهَا أَ تَعْتَدُّ فِي بَيْتِهَا أَوْ حَيْثُ شَاءَتْ قَالَ بَلْ حَيْثُ شَاءَتْ إِنَّ عَلِيّاً ع لَمَّا تُوُفِّيَ عُمَرُ أَتَى أُمَّ كُلْثُومٍ فَانْطَلَقَ بِهَا إِلَى بَيْتِهِ

From `Abd Allaah bin Sinaan and Mu`aawiyah bin `Ammaar from Abee `Abd Allaah (عليه السلام): He said: I asked about the women whose husband dies, can she do her `iddah in her house or wherever she wants? He (عليه السلام) said: It is wherever she wants, that `Alee (عليه السلام) brought Umm Kulthoom to his home when she became free, when `Umar died
Source:
1.     Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 6, pg. 115, hadeeth # 2
Grading:
1.       Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is SaHeeH (Authentic)
Miraat Al-`Uqool, vol. 21, pg. 199
2.       Al-Majlisi I (Al-Majlisis Father) said this hadeeth is Muwaththaq Kal-SaHeeH (Reliable like a SaHeeH (hadeeth))
RawDah Al-Muttaqqoon, vol. 9, pg. 89


عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ سَالِمٍ وَ حَمَّادٍ عَنْ زُرَارَةَ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع فِي تَزْوِيجِ أُمِّ كُلْثُومٍ فَقَالَ إِنَّ ذَلِكَ فَرْجٌ غُصِبْنَاهُ

From Zuraarah from Abee `Abd Allaah (عليه السلام) said about the marriage of Umm Kulthoom. So he (عليه السلام) said: That this was the faraj* that was usurped from us
Source:

1.     Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 5, pg. 346, hadeeth # 1
Grading:
1.       Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Hasan (Good)
Miraat Al-`Uqool, vol. 20, pg. 42
2.       Al-Meelaanee said this hadeeth has a SaHeeH Sanad
Tazawwaj Umm Kulthoom with `Umar, pg. 30
MaHaaDiraat fee Al-`Itiqaadaat, vol. 2, pg. 696


*Faraj Literally means vagina, but Al-Majlisi contends that the word faraj does not mean vagina as this is a disrespectful way of putting it and our Imaams were the most eloquent of speakers. Instead Al-Majlisi says faraj means honor. (See: Al-Majlisi, BiHaar Al-Anwaar, vol. 42, 106 109)


Here is an interesting Hadeeth. This Hadeeth is weak, due to Ja`far bin Muhammad Al-Qummee being majhool (unkown) according to Al-Majlisi (Milaadh Al-Akhyaar, vol. 15, pg. 382), and Al-Khoei (Mu`jam Rijaal Al-Hadeeth, vol. 4, pg. 128, person # 2305), but it is interesting to take out nonetheless since we already have SaHeeH hadeeth proving the marriage took place.

مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ يَحْيَى عَنْ جَعْفَرِ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ الْقُمِّيِّ عَنِ الْقَدَّاحِ عَنْ جَعْفَرٍ عَنْ أَبِيهِ ع قَالَ مَاتَتْ أُمُّ كُلْثُومٍ بِنْتُ عَلِيٍّ ع وَ ابْنُهَا زَيْدُ بْنُ عُمَرَ بْنِ الْخَطَّابِ فِي سَاعَةٍ وَاحِدَةٍ لَا يُدْرَى أَيُّهُمَا هَلَكَ قَبْلُ فَلَمْ يُوَرِّثْ أَحَدَهُمَا مِنَ الْآخَرِ وَ صَلَّى عَلَيْهِمَا جَمِيعاً

From Al-QadaaH from Ja`far (Al-Saadiq) (عليه السلام) from his father (عليه السلام) He said: Umm Kulthoom, daughter of `Alee (عليه السلام), and her son Zayd bin `Umar bin Al-KhaTTaab died at the same time. They did not know who passed away before, so they did not inherit from one another, and they prayed (the funeral prayer) upon them together
Source:
1.     Al-Toosi, Tahdheeb Al-aHkaam, vol. 9, ch. 36, pg. 362, hadeeth # 15
Grading:
1.       Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Majhool (Unknown)
Milaadh Al-Akhyaar, vol. 15, pg. 382


Look at the name of the son of Umm Kulthoom, the Imaam has said, her (Umm Kulthoom) son, Zayd son of `Umar bin Al-KhaTTaab. This is another proof to show that the marriage had indeed taken place, as it is only one majhool narrator.


Here is a Hasan hadeeth in which it is giving the background on how the marriage came into fruition. This sheds some light into the narration about usurpation.

مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ سَالِمٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع قَالَ لَمَّا خَطَبَ إِلَيْهِ قَالَ لَهُ أَمِيرُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ إِنَّهَا صَبِيَّةٌ قَالَ فَلَقِيَ الْعَبَّاسَ فَقَالَ لَهُ مَا لِي أَ بِي بَأْسٌ قَالَ وَ مَا ذَاكَ قَالَ خَطَبْتُ إِلَى ابْنِ أَخِيكَ فَرَدَّنِي أَمَا وَ اللَّهِ لَأُعَوِّرَنَّ زَمْزَمَ وَ لَا أَدَعُ لَكُمْ مَكْرُمَةً إِلَّا هَدَمْتُهَا وَ لَأُقِيمَنَّ عَلَيْهِ شَاهِدَيْنِ بِأَنَّهُ سَرَقَ وَ لَأَقْطَعَنَّ يَمِينَهُ فَأَتَاهُ الْعَبَّاسُ فَأَخْبَرَهُ وَ سَأَلَهُ أَنْ يَجْعَلَ الْأَمْرَ إِلَيْهِ فَجَعَلَهُ إِلَيْهِ

Hishaam bin Saalim from Abee `Abd Allaah (عليه السلام) he said: When he (`Umar) address (proposed) to him (`Alee). Ameer Al-Mumineen (عليه السلام) said to him She is a child. He said: So he (`Umar) met Al-`Abbaas and he said to him: What is wrong with me? Is there a problem with me? He (Abbaas) said: And what is the matter? He (Umar) said: I addressed (proposed) before your brother's son (nephew), and he denied me. I swear by Allaah, I will fill the zamzam, leave no honor for you without being destroyed. I will bring two witnesses upon him and (prove) he (is guilty) of theft, and I will cut his right (hand)! Then Al-`Abbaas went to him (Imaam `Alee) and gave him the news (of what happened). And he (Abbaas) asked him (`Alee) to put the matter to him (Abbaas). And he (`Alee) agreed.
Source:

1.     Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 5, pg. 346, hadeeth # 2
Grading:
1.       Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Hasan (Good)
Miraat Al-`Uqool, vol. 20, pg. 42
2.       Al-Meelaanee said this hadeeth has a SaHeeH Sanad
Tazawwaj Umm Kulthoom with `Umar, pg. 28
MaHaaDiraat fee Al-`Itiqaadaat, vol. 2, pg. 696


Based off other SaHeeH narrations and history, this is in reference to `Umars marriage or what led up to `Umars marriage with Umm Kulthoom. Al-Kulayni has put this under the chapter of بَابُ تَزْوِيجِ أُمِّ كُلْثُومٍ Marriage of Umm KulthoomHH. Historically, Umm Kulthoom has been said to marry `Umar at a very young age, while he was much older.


Our classical scholars have talked about this marriage taking place as well.

و روى أن عمر تزوج أم كلثوم بنت على عليه السلام
And it is narrated that `Umar married Umm Kulthoom, daughter of `Alee (عليه السلام)
Source:
1.     Al-Toosi, Al-MabsooT, vol. 4, pg. 272


Al-Shareef Al-MurtaDa (d. 436 AH) has also commented on the marriage taking place in his book, Risaail Al-Shareef Al-MurtaDa. And here is what he said regarding the narration of faraj being usurped from us. He talks about the how it is attested in the SaHeeH narration from Abee `Abd Allaah (عليه السلام).
ويشهد بصحته ما روي عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام
Source:
1.     Al-Shareef Al-MurtaDa, Risaail Al-Shareef Al-MurtaDa, pg. 148 - 150

Here are some contemporary scholars who have talked about this marriage taking place.
From Al-Khoeis Website: (Check Scan Images)

Question: Is it SaHeeH (authentic) that the second caliph (`Umar) married the daughter of Imaam `Alee (عليه السلام)?

Answer: Such has been mentioned in history and narrations.


Here is what the Late FaDlullaah has said: (Check Scan Images below)

Question: Is it SaHeeH (authentic) that Sayyidah Umm Kulthoom, peace be upon her, married `Umar bin Al-KhaTTaab or are these allegations?

Answer: That is what is mentioned in SaHeeH narrations.

Here is what the `Aalim Network of Al-Islam.org says:

As to the issue of marriage I believe it is also wrong. But if anyone wants to use this kind of events against more basic idea he must know that first of all it was Omar himself who married Ali  and Fatemeh' (AS) daughter, Ume Kulsum. Secondly When Omar asked Imam's (AS) permission to marry her, Imam (AS) refused and said she is too young for marrying him.


Source: http://www.al-islam....k/msg00166.html

As you can see, Umm Kulthoom, daughter of Imaam `Alee (عليه السلام), did indeed marry `Umar, and this isnt some made up thing by the Sunnees to put `Umar at a higher status.

And Allaah knows best.

http://revivingalisl...mm-kulthum.html

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I learned about this from brother Efendis page: http://gift2shias.co...to-umm-kulthum/

Thanks,

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Posted 19 December 2010 - 10:28 PM

The following is scan image of Al-khoe's fatwa from his own website about this marriage.


The scan image in the above post is from Syed Hussain Fadhlullah.

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Posted 19 December 2010 - 10:56 PM

JazzakAllah for  posting it here brother, it is good to see that Shia have started to read history as it happened not as they wish it should have happened.





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