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Posted 26 July 2009 - 10:06 AM

Existence of Abdullah ibn Saba is both accepted by Sunnis, Shias and the Westener historians. Today some Shias try their best to even deny his existence, let alone the role he played in the foundation of Shiaism. He is to Shiaism, what Saint Paul is to Christianity.


1. It says in Anwaar-ul-Na'umania, a Shia book:

Abdullah Ibn-e-Saba was the first who declared the faith in Imamat and that Hazrat Ali [r.a] is the true God [Nauzubillah].
[Anwaar-ul-Na'umania, Vol 2, Pg 234 - Published Iran]

2. The name of Abdullah bin Saba figures in the most reliable book of Shias on Asma-ur-Rijal, entitled Rijal-e-Kashshi and it is related in it from Imam Jafar Sadiq [r.h] that Ibne Saba believed in the divinity of Hazrat Ali [r.h], and, ultimately, he was burnt alive at his command. About Abdullah bin Saba, Rijal-e-Kashshi says:-

"Many knowledgeable people have stated that Abdullah bin Saba was a Jew who had accepted Islam and showed great devotion for Hazrat Ali [r.a]. As a Jew, he used to exaggerated the personality of Joshua, the son of Nun, and the Wasi of Moses. After becoming a Muslim he began to exalt the personality of Hazrat Ali much beyond the due limit, and he was the first person to declare that it was obligatory to believe in the Imamate of Hazrat Ali, and completely dissociated himself form his enemies and he openly opposed them and denounced them as infidels".
[Rijal-e-Kashshi, page 71].


3. The earliest historian Tabri has sketched out the details in these words:

"Abdullah bin Saba was a Jew and lived in Sana. His mother was called Sauda. He embraced Islam during the period of Hadhrat Uthman. he roamed through the Muslim cities and tried to seduce the Muslims from the straight path. He launched his diabolical campaign from Hijaz and then visited Basra, Kufa and Syria. None of the Syrians cooperated with him. On the contrary, they drove him out of Syria. Thus he moved over to Egypt and settled down there permanently. He started drumming into the minds of the Egyptians that it was strange they believed in the return of Christ and denied the return of Hadhrat Muhammad [peace be upon him]. God himself had declared. Therefore he has a better claim to return to the world in comparison with Christ. He fabricated the concept of the 'return' or resurrection and the Egyptians turned in into a hot debating issue."


4. Ibn Kathir [r.h] and Ibn Athir [r.h] have commented on it on similar lines and Allama Ibn Khaldun [r.h] has also written about it :

"Abdullah bin Saba, who was popularly known as Ibn Sauda, was a Jew. He had left his country during the tenure of Hadhrat Uthman but he had not embraced Islam from the core of his heart. When he was honked out of Basra, he left for Kufa from where he made a bee - line for Syria. The Syrians also whipped him out of their country and he left for Egypt. He made Hadhrat Uthman [r.a] the special butt of his critical remarks and secretly invited people to institute the Khilafat of the Ahl-i-Bait. He pressed upon people to launch the campaign and he spared no opportunity to criticize the rulers. Some of the people openly sided with him. They had come from different cities and therefore they kept up their links through correspondence. Khalid bin Maljim, Saudan bin Hamran and Kinana bin Basher supported the campaign launched by Abdullah bin Saba. They had also persuaded Ammar not to return to Madina. Ammar was one of those people who had openly lambasted Hadhrat Uthman[r.a] for first turning Hadhrat Abu Zar [r.a] out of Syria into Madina and then for pushing him out of Madina towards Abzah, though, under the circumstances, the action of Hadhrat Uthman [r.a] was justified. Hadhrat Abu Zar[r.a] , out of the intensity of his piety and austerity, used to force people to lead their lives on similar lines and to learn to face the hardships of life. He persuaded people to stock for themselves not more than a day's ration. He also illustrate ed with reasoning the undesirability of hoarding gold and silver. Ibn Saba used to instigate Hadhrat Abu Zar [r.a] against Hadhrat Muawiyah by stressing that he supported the distribution of goods among the people. Hadhrat Abu Zar [r.a] started condemning Hadhrat Muawiyah[r.a] . Hadhrat Muawiyah [r.a] coaxed him a little and told him : I'll also harp on the same turn that all goods belong to Allah."


5. Hafiz ibn Hajr [r.h] has related on the authority of Tarikh Abi Asakar:

"He belonged to Yemen. He was a Jew, but he had donned the guise of Islam and roamed through the Muslim cities to lead the Muslims astray and dissuade them from the obedience of their Imams and to sow dissension among them. He also visited Damascus with this end in view".
[Tarekkh Dimishq,vol 7 page 430]


6. Allama Isfraini [r.h] has also commented on it in a similar vein:

"Ibn Sauda was a Jew who had donned the gown of Islam to addle the faith of the Muslims".


7. Abu Muhammad Hassan bin Musa has unraveled these secrets. He is the earliest Shia historian who has given an account of the Shia sects. He is one of the most famous Shias of the third century A.H. He writes:

"Sabais are the companions of Abdullah bin Saba. Abdullah bin Saba made faces at Hadhrat Abu Bakr[r.a] , Umar [r.a] , Uthman [r.a] and other companions of the Prophet [peace be upon him] and disaffiliated himself from them and he imputed his acts to the command of Hadhrat Ali [r.a]. When Hadhrat Ali [r.a] caught hold of him and asked him about it, he confessed to it. After his confession, he ordered him to be executed. On hearing the order, [quite a few people] made a humble submission to Hadhrat Ali[r.a] : O Amir-ul-Momineen ! You have ordered the execution of a person who professes your friendship and the love of your Ahl-i-Bait. Hadhrat Ali [r.a] complied with the submission and exiled him to Madain."


8. The famous Shia biographer Istra-badi says:

"Abdullah bin Saba claimed that Hadhrat Ali [r.a] is Allah and he is his Prophet. When the news reached the Amir-ul-Momineen, he sent for him and asked him about it. He owned it and insisted that he is really the one [who is the referee of his claim]. The Amir-ul-Momineen said : The devil has seduced you. Therefore you should repent at once. But he refused to repent and he put him behind the bars for three days. When he did not repent even after three days, he burned him alive".


9. Sheikh Abdul Qadir Baghdadi [r.h] says:

"The followers of Abdullah bin Saba are called Sabains. Ibn Saba relied on exaggeration about the status of Hadhrat Ali [r.a] and claimed that he was a prophet. Then, relying on further exaggeration he claimed that he [Hadhrat Ali [r.a]] was God and he invited a party of the Kufi rebels to adopt these beliefs. When the news reached Hadhrat Ali[r.a] , he had some of these people thrown into two pits of fire, as has been hinted at by a poet ."


10. All the Shia scholars have given an account of Ibn Saba, his views and beliefs and his party ; Syed Qummi [who died in 301 A.H.], Sheikh Taifah Tusi, Tastri in Qamus-ur-Rijal, Abbas Qummi in Tohfat-ul-Ahbab, Khu Ansari in Raudhat-ul-Jannat, Sabhani in Nasikh-ut-Tawarikh and the author of Raudhat-us-Safa, have all mentioned him and his party".


11. Allamah Shahrastani [r.h] writes under the heading of Sabaism:

"Sabais are the followers of Abdullah bin Saba who had told Hadhrat Ali [r.a]: you are you i.e., you are God, but he had extradited him to Madain The historians suggest that he was actually a Jew, but he had tacked on to himself the label of Islam. During the Jewish phase, he used to claim that Hadhrat Y'osha bin Nun was the executor of Moses [a.h]."


12. Ibn Asakar [r.h] has cited a tradition of Hadhrat Jabir in his history:

"When the oath of allegiance was taken at the hand of Hadhrat Ali [r.a] and he delivered his address, Abdullah bin Saba stood up and said: you are "Dabat-ul-Ardh"
[Tareekh Dimishq]


13. Allamah Baghdadi [r.h] has touched the issue in his book Al-Firq Bain-ul-Firq. Similarly, Isfraini in his book Kitab-ut-Tabsir and Ibn Hazn in Al-Fasl have also mentioned ibn Saba.


14. Famous Shia scholar Nau Bakhti writes:

"It is known as the Sabai sect because Abdullah bin Saba was its ring leader. "
[Khandaan-e-Nau-Bakhti, page 275]

15. Historian Professor P.K Hitti writes:

"The enigmatic Abdullah ibn Saba who was convertered into Islam...embarrased Ali [r.a] with his excessive venertion..."
[History of the Arabs, page 248. London]


16. Famous historian Dweight M. Donaldon writes:

"Abdullah ibn Saba had travelled widely throughout the Empire, as Tabari says, "seeking to lead the Moslems into error...Another of his teachings that was more immediately, influential was that every Prophet has a wasi and that Ali [r.a] was the wasi of Muhammed [s.a.w]..."
[The Sheit Religion of Islam, part 6 page 41]


17. Historian Dr. J. N. Hollister writes:

"[Abdullah ibn Saba] He was the native of San's in Yemen...He opened a campaign of behalf of Ali [r.a] suggesting that Abu Bakar [r.a], Umer [r.a], and Usman [r.a] were usurpers..."
[Shias of Hind page 15]


18. Famous historian Dr. Walter C. Klein writes:

"Abdullah ibn Saba had hailed Ali [r.a] with the words, "Thou art Thou."...
[Al-Ibanah An Usul Ad-Diyanah, pages 7-8]


19 Historian Professor Nicholson writes:

"Now the Shi'ite theory of Divine Right certainly harmonised with Persian ideas, ...Abdullah ibn Saba...went from place to place, seeking to lead Moslems into error..."
[The History of the Arabs, page 215]


20. Famous historian and former governer of U.P, India, William Moore writes:

"...ibn Saba, a Jew from the South of Arabia...he became the setter forth of strange and startling doctrines...Ali [r.a] was his legate, Usmsn [r.a] was a usurper..."
[Al-Khilafat, Us ka Urooj, Inhetaat aur Zawaal, page 217]

21. The Jewish Encyclopedia says:

ABDALLAH IBN SABA
By : Hartwig Hirschfeld

Jew of Yemen, Arabia, of the seventh century, who settled in Medina and embraced Islam. Having adversely criticized Calif Othman's [r.a] administration, he was banished from the town. Thence he went to Egypt, where he founded an antiothmanian sect, to promote the interests of Ali[r.a] . On account of his learning he obtained great influence there, and formulated the doctrine that, just as every prophet had an assistant who afterward succeeded him, Mohammed's [s.a.w] vizier was Ali[r.a] , who had therefore been kept out of the califate by deceit. Othman [r.a] had no legal claim whatever to the califate; and the general dissatisfaction with his government greatly contributed to the spread of Abdallah's teachings. Tradition relates that when Ali [r.a]had assumed power, Abdallah ascribed divine honors to him by addressing him with the words, "Thou art Thou!" Thereupon Ali [r.a] banished him to Madain. After Ali's [r.a]assassination Abdallah is said to have taught that Ali [r.a] was not dead but alive, and had never been killed; that a part of the Deity was hidden in him; and that after a certain time he would return to fill the earth with justice. Till then the divine character of Ali [r.a] was to remain hidden in the imams, who temporarily filled his place. It is easy to see that the whole idea rests on that of the Messiah in combination with the legend of Elijah the prophet. The attribution of divine honors to Ali [r.a] was probably but a later development, and was fostered by the circumstance that in the Koran Allah is often styled "Al-Ali" [The Most High].

Bibliography: Shatrastani al-Milal, pp. 132 et seq. (in Haarbrckens translation, i. 200-201); Weil, Gesch. der Chalifen, i. 173-174, 209, 259.H. Hir.

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 10:10 AM

Indeed interesting. How reliable are the narrations though?
And as you probably know, orientalists don't examine narrations in a way acceptable according to Islamic standards.

Do you have an reference for that which you quote Ibn Khaldun?


"Abdullah bin Saba, who was popularly known as Ibn Sauda, was a Jew. He had left his country during the tenure of Hadhrat Uthman but he had not embraced Islam from the core of his heart. When he was honked out of Basra, he left for Kufa from where he made a bee - line for Syria. The Syrians also whipped him out of their country and he left for Egypt. He made Hadhrat Uthman [r.a] the special butt of his critical remarks and secretly invited people to institute the Khilafat of the Ahl-i-Bait. He pressed upon people to launch the campaign and he spared no opportunity to criticize the rulers. Some of the people openly sided with him. They had come from different cities and therefore they kept up their links through correspondence. Khalid bin Maljim, Saudan bin Hamran and Kinana bin Basher supported the campaign launched by Abdullah bin Saba. They had also persuaded Ammar not to return to Madina. Ammar was one of those people who had openly lambasted Hadhrat Uthman[r.a] for first turning Hadhrat Abu Zar [r.a] out of Syria into Madina and then for pushing him out of Madina towards Abzah, though, under the circumstances, the action of Hadhrat Uthman [r.a] was justified. Hadhrat Abu Zar[r.a] , out of the intensity of his piety and austerity, used to force people to lead their lives on similar lines and to learn to face the hardships of life. He persuaded people to stock for themselves not more than a day's ration. He also illustrate ed with reasoning the undesirability of hoarding gold and silver. Ibn Saba used to instigate Hadhrat Abu Zar [r.a] against Hadhrat Muawiyah by stressing that he supported the distribution of goods among the people. Hadhrat Abu Zar [r.a] started condemning Hadhrat Muawiyah[r.a] . Hadhrat Muawiyah [r.a] coaxed him a little and told him : I'll also harp on the same turn that all goods belong to Allah."

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 10:11 AM

A. I have only quoted few orientalists, but also shown it from authentic Shia and Sunni books, the role of Abdullah ibn Saba. Usually the orientalists favour Shiaism and if Abdullah ibn Saba was a fairy tale, so many of the orientalists would not have mentioned him. Even a blind person can't deny the role ibn Saba played in the origions of Shiaism.

B. The qoute of Allamah ibn Khuldoon was taken from Shia's and Shiaism, there Genesis and Evolution, by Allamah Ehsan Elahi Zaheer shaheed. He was the author of many books on Shias and their history, and later on he was killed by the Shias and was burried in Medina. Also its mentioned in Abdullah ibn Saba, Tareekh kay Aiyne Main , by Hakeem Faiz Alam Siddiqui. Hazrat Shah Abdul Aziz Dehlvi [r.h] has also written in details about ibn Saba in his magnum opus called Tuhfa Isna Ashariya.


And to add to the above list:


22. And it is narrated from Imam Abu Hanifa [r.a]:

"Abdullah ibn Saba was a Jewish and he [supposedly] accepted Islam during the time of Hazrat Usman [r.a] and he urged the people of Egypt to kill Hazrat Usman [r.a] and he would show musch love for Hazrat Ali [r.a]. He was a khabees from inside and his only mission was to create fitna among the Muslims."

عبد اللّه بن سبا كان يهوديا فاسلم ايام عثمان وهوالذى
حمل اهل مصر على قتل عثمان واظهر
الميل الى على وكان خبيث الباطن غرض الفساد بين المسلمين


[Musnad Imam-e-Azam page 158]


23. Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jailani [r.h] says:

"Sabain sect are attributed towards Abdullah ibn Saba and they said Hazrat Ali [r.a] is alive and will come back before Qiyamat."

واما لسبائية فمنسوبة الى عبداللّه بن سبا من دعوهم ان عليا لم يمت وانه يرجع قبل يوم القيامة

[Ghunyat al-Talibeen]


and more can be provided.

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 10:15 AM

24. Famous Shia scholar Allamah Kashi narrates in his book from one of the Shia Imam Abu Abdullah [r.h]:

"May Allah curse Abdullah ibn Saba, he said that Hazrat Ali [r.a] is God. But Hazrat Ali [r.a] was a servant of Allah."

لعن اللّه عبداللّه بن سبا انه ادعو الربوية فى امير المؤمنين عبدا طالباً

[Rijaal-e-Kashi, page 100]
[Qamoos al-Rijaal, vol 5 page 46]

25. Allamah Sharastani [r.h] writes:

"Abdullah ibn Saba...was the first person who said that Imamat of Hazrat Ali [r.a] is proven from nas."

اصحاب عبداللّه بن سبا٠٠٠ وهو اول من اظهر القول بالنص بامامة على كرم اللّه وجهه

[Al-Milal wa al-Nahal, vol 1 page 174]


26. Saad Bin Abdullah Al Ash'ari Alqummi said:

"Sabians are companions of Abdullah Ibn saba, Abdullah bin Saba', was the first who slandered Abu Bakr [r.a], Omar [r.a], Othman [r.a] and the Companions and disowned them."
[Al-Maqalat wal-Firaq, 20]


27. Hazrat Shah Waliullah [r.h] has also written in details about ibn Saba in his book Izalat al-Khafa.

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 12:28 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_jncFnyX18

all speculations anwered in the above link..
The Reality of this forum
Exposing the research of none other than fatah(admin)
:
islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=9933
they get exposed.....and so they take refuge and curse our scholars:
islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=4403&st=0
and when they see us patient enough, the play with our emotions AND they ABUSE our parents:
islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=10507&st=20
still we took the hard pill and moved forward to expose them
islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=10533
closed topic???.....cudnt defend, as always!!!....
at last we decide:
islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=10537
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Posted 26 July 2009 - 12:47 PM

http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?t=4756&highlight=saba

these scans are worth reading since they refute one of the most strongest argument of shia for denial of abdullah ibn saba.

Allah is the MAULA of those who believe, whereas the disbelievers have no MAULA (Quran 47:11)

HASBUNALLAHU WA NEMAL WAKEEL, NEMAL MAULA WA NEMAN NASEER
Translation: "Allah (Alone) is Sufficient for us, and He is the Best Disposer of affairs (for us); what an Excellent Maula (Patron, Lord) and what an Excellent Helper!

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 01:07 PM

further exposing the lies of the nawasib in detail:

http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter10/1.html
http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter10/2.html
http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter10/3.html
http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter10/4.html
http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter10/5.html

The Reality of this forum
Exposing the research of none other than fatah(admin)
:
islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=9933
they get exposed.....and so they take refuge and curse our scholars:
islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=4403&st=0
and when they see us patient enough, the play with our emotions AND they ABUSE our parents:
islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=10507&st=20
still we took the hard pill and moved forward to expose them
islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=10533
closed topic???.....cudnt defend, as always!!!....
at last we decide:
islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=10537
Their Own Jahaalat is their ENEMY!!!!!!!!

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 01:18 PM

http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?t=4756&highlight=saba

this link destroys the whole base of arguments of shian e dajjal. And their scholar murtuza askari.

Moreover even this is intresting:

Jewish Encyclopedia: Abdullah ibn Saba, Founder of Shiism
http://www.ahlelbayt.com/articles/history/jewish-encyclopedia


http://www.ansar.org/english/sabaa.htm

courtesy bro efendi:
http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?t=4115&highlight=saba

Allah is the MAULA of those who believe, whereas the disbelievers have no MAULA (Quran 47:11)

HASBUNALLAHU WA NEMAL WAKEEL, NEMAL MAULA WA NEMAN NASEER
Translation: "Allah (Alone) is Sufficient for us, and He is the Best Disposer of affairs (for us); what an Excellent Maula (Patron, Lord) and what an Excellent Helper!

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 02:12 PM

Salam

LOL SOS he is gonna b destroyed on multaqa LOL...
"With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who
loves me too much (shias) and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who
hates me too much (nasibis) and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. The best man
with regard to me is he who is on the middle course. So be with him and be with
the great majority of Muslims (ie. Ahlel Sunnah wal jamaat) because Allah's hand (of protection) is on keeping unity. You should beware of division because the one isolated from the
group is (a prey) to Satan just as the one isolated from the flock of sheep is
(a prey) to the wolf."

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 03:35 PM

Ibn Sabah is a myth. Also the Rafidis did even exist in the time of Imam Ali (as) and his sons.
If  negating the  term kaffir from Shias, and opposing the  monopolization of the term momin makes me a non-Sunni then I am a non-Sunni.

http://proahlulbayt1.blogspot.com/

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 07:03 PM

View PostAbdaal, on Jul 26 2009, 08:35 PM, said:

Ibn Sabah is a myth. Also the Rafidis did even exist in the time of Imam Ali (as) and his sons.


your knowledge is very poor about history........

go read some books dont be mislead by the rafidi propoganda.

Allah is the MAULA of those who believe, whereas the disbelievers have no MAULA (Quran 47:11)

HASBUNALLAHU WA NEMAL WAKEEL, NEMAL MAULA WA NEMAN NASEER
Translation: "Allah (Alone) is Sufficient for us, and He is the Best Disposer of affairs (for us); what an Excellent Maula (Patron, Lord) and what an Excellent Helper!

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 07:14 PM

No abdullah ibn saba is not a myth but he was a mushrik and an exaggerator and he was cursed by every shia scholar that mentioned his name

here's the view of our ulama about him:

sheikh tusi said:
عبد الله بن سبأ      الذي رجع إلى الكفر وأظهر الغلو
abdullah ibn saba he went back to disbelief( kofr) and showed exaggeration
ref: rijel al-toosi page 80
allama al-hilli :
عبد الله بن سبأ غالٍ      ملعون، حرَّقه أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام بالنار، كان يزعم أن عليًّا عليه      السلام إله، وأنه نبي
abdullah ibn saba and exaggerator and a cursed person , was burned with fire by amerr al-momineen (as), he used to claim that ali(as) is god and that he (ibn saba) was a prophet
ref: allam al-hilli in khulasa page 237
al-kishi said :
كان يدَّعي النبوة وأن      عليًّا عليه السلام هو الله، فاستتابه عليه السلام ثلاثة أيام فلم يرجع، فأحرقه      في النار في جملة سبعين رجلاً ادَّعوا فيه ذلك
he used to claim prophethood and that ali (as) is allah ( astaghfirollah) so imam ali gave him three days to repent but he refused so he burned him with fire with seventy more men who claimed this also
ref: rijel ibn dawood
and the list goes on and on and on ...
so i ask the ignorant alijan and other scum: why do shia curse ibn saba if he was the founder of their faith??? and who from amongst the shia imamyyah hold such view of ibn saba that ali (as) is allah(astghfirollah) or that ibn saba is a prophet??
i say lanatollah alalkadhibeen




قالت فمن صاحب الدين الحنيـف اجـب ؟     فقلت احمـد خيـر الســـادة الرســلِ

قالت فمن بعـده تصفــي الـولاء لــه ؟  قلتُ الوصي الذي اربـى عـلى زحــلِ



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Posted 26 July 2009 - 07:57 PM

i dont have time to answer the post of wasil since its late night here.

anyways its worth reading:

The Origin of Shiaism
http://www.kr-hcy.com/statichtml/files/104148273026464.shtml

Shiaism and Sabai
http://www.kr-hcy.com/statichtml/files/104148265272363.shtml


Shia's Allegations
http://www.kr-hcy.com/statichtml/files/104148254551063.shtml

The Sabai's Period
http://www.kr-hcy.com/statichtml/files/104148244482944.shtml

Shia Sects
http://www.kr-hcy.com/statichtml/files/104148240468934.shtml

Shia's of Ithna-e-Ashriyya
http://www.kr-hcy.com/statichtml/files/104148220734619.shtml



Ithna-e-Ashriyya and Sabai's Belief
http://www.kr-hcy.com/statichtml/files/104148209358778.shtml

Allah is the MAULA of those who believe, whereas the disbelievers have no MAULA (Quran 47:11)

HASBUNALLAHU WA NEMAL WAKEEL, NEMAL MAULA WA NEMAN NASEER
Translation: "Allah (Alone) is Sufficient for us, and He is the Best Disposer of affairs (for us); what an Excellent Maula (Patron, Lord) and what an Excellent Helper!

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 04:35 AM

View PostWasil-ibn-ata, on Jul 26 2009, 03:14 PM, said:

[size=3]No abdullah ibn saba is not a myth but he was a mushrik and an exaggerator and he was cursed by every shia scholar that mentioned his name

Whatever the case is ! We have dealt with this alijan on forum of islam too. You should not take him seriously.
If  negating the  term kaffir from Shias, and opposing the  monopolization of the term momin makes me a non-Sunni then I am a non-Sunni.

http://proahlulbayt1.blogspot.com/

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 05:52 AM

View PostAbdaal, on Jul 27 2009, 10:35 AM, said:

Whatever the case is ! We have dealt with this alijan on forum of islam too. You should not take him seriously.


when u didnt knew the basic how you dealt with anyone based on those misconceptions? :)
Allah is the MAULA of those who believe, whereas the disbelievers have no MAULA (Quran 47:11)

HASBUNALLAHU WA NEMAL WAKEEL, NEMAL MAULA WA NEMAN NASEER
Translation: "Allah (Alone) is Sufficient for us, and He is the Best Disposer of affairs (for us); what an Excellent Maula (Patron, Lord) and what an Excellent Helper!

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 02:27 PM

View PostAbdaal, on Jul 27 2009, 09:35 AM, said:

Whatever the case is ! We have dealt with this alijan on forum of islam too. You should not take him seriously.


sounds like hussaini/rafidi/demarco/al-faqeer are you there rafidi.

natural son of abdullah bin sabah.

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 03:11 PM

View Postalijan1001, on Jul 27 2009, 10:27 AM, said:

sounds like hussaini/rafidi/demarco/al-faqeer are you there rafidi.

natural son of abdullah bin sabah.
Please go and review your vocabulary.
If  negating the  term kaffir from Shias, and opposing the  monopolization of the term momin makes me a non-Sunni then I am a non-Sunni.

http://proahlulbayt1.blogspot.com/

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 03:20 PM

Salam

Take it easy On abdaal

Edited by Sunnikid, 27 July 2009 - 03:23 PM.

"With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who
loves me too much (shias) and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who
hates me too much (nasibis) and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. The best man
with regard to me is he who is on the middle course. So be with him and be with
the great majority of Muslims (ie. Ahlel Sunnah wal jamaat) because Allah's hand (of protection) is on keeping unity. You should beware of division because the one isolated from the
group is (a prey) to Satan just as the one isolated from the flock of sheep is
(a prey) to the wolf."

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 03:20 PM

Salam

Take it easy SOS.
"With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who
loves me too much (shias) and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who
hates me too much (nasibis) and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. The best man
with regard to me is he who is on the middle course. So be with him and be with
the great majority of Muslims (ie. Ahlel Sunnah wal jamaat) because Allah's hand (of protection) is on keeping unity. You should beware of division because the one isolated from the
group is (a prey) to Satan just as the one isolated from the flock of sheep is
(a prey) to the wolf."

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 03:21 PM

Alijan he's part of ahlelsunnahwajamaat.
"With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who
loves me too much (shias) and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who
hates me too much (nasibis) and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. The best man
with regard to me is he who is on the middle course. So be with him and be with
the great majority of Muslims (ie. Ahlel Sunnah wal jamaat) because Allah's hand (of protection) is on keeping unity. You should beware of division because the one isolated from the
group is (a prey) to Satan just as the one isolated from the flock of sheep is
(a prey) to the wolf."





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