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#1 OFFLINE   SIDDIQUI

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 09:35 AM

ASSALAM-O-ALIKUM WA REHAMAT ALLAH,

MAY AHLE-TASHEE (SHIA) SAHIBAN SAY UN K SARAY SAWALON K JAWAB MAY
SIRF "1" SAWAL KARTA HON, UMMED HAY K WO IS KA SADA JAWAB DAIN GAY.

Q: SAHABA-E-KARAM KA MATLAB KYA HAY OR AGAR HAZRAT MUHAMMAD (S.A.W.W)
     K WO SAHABA-E-KARAM GHALAT THAY (MAY ALLAH FORGIVE ME) TU NABI (S.A.W.A)
     NAY UN KO APNA DOST Q RAKHA JAB K WOH ALLAH K MEHBOOB HAIN OR UN SAY
     KISI GHALATI KA TASAWER BHE NAHI KYA JA SAKTA ?

PLEASE BOHAT SOCH SAMAJH KAR JAWAB DEJEAY GA YAY ENNAN A MAMMLA HAY.

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Posted 12 October 2009 - 07:51 AM

View PostSIDDIQUI, on Sep 24 2009, 02:35 PM, said:

ASSALAM-O-ALIKUM WA REHAMAT ALLAH,

MAY AHLE-TASHEE (SHIA) SAHIBAN SAY UN K SARAY SAWALON K JAWAB MAY
SIRF "1" SAWAL KARTA HON, UMMED HAY K WO IS KA SADA JAWAB DAIN GAY.

Q: SAHABA-E-KARAM KA MATLAB KYA HAY OR AGAR HAZRAT MUHAMMAD (S.A.W.W)
K WO SAHABA-E-KARAM GHALAT THAY (MAY ALLAH FORGIVE ME) TU NABI (S.A.W.A)
NAY UN KO APNA DOST Q RAKHA JAB K WOH ALLAH K MEHBOOB HAIN OR UN SAY
KISI GHALATI KA TASAWER BHE NAHI KYA JA SAKTA ?

PLEASE BOHAT SOCH SAMAJH KAR JAWAB DEJEAY GA YAY ENNAN A MAMMLA HAY.

W/SALAAM
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Posted 12 October 2009 - 02:14 PM

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Posted 12 October 2009 - 06:43 PM

hum jub nabi akram SAW  K BARE ME KOI BAT KERTE HAN TO HUM YE KIUN BHOOL JATE HAN K WO RAHMAT UL LILALAMEEN han ,unhon ne us boorhi orat ki bhi ayadat ki jis ne un k ooper kachra phenka ,unho ne taif k sharati logon k haq me bhi hidayet ki dua ki wo jungon me un logon ko bhi male ganeemat ziyada dete the jo sifr us malee ganeemat ki waja se islam me dakhil hote the ,meiraj me allah ne 50 namazon ka hukam diya to nabi SAW NE 5 KERWADI ,Khuda ne dozakh ko nafarmano se bharne ka kaha to rasool ne shifaat ka wada kia ab ap batain jin ka kam hi muhabbat or issar se logon ko theek kerna ha wo dikhawe k logon ko kese narazagi ka moqa den ge wo kafiron ko bakhshte rahe to munafiqon k sath bhi aesa hi to kerna tha k chalo shayed kisi waqt in munafiqon ko aqal ajai or ik bat or ye k munafiq ki nishani yahi ha k wo musalman hone ka dawa kerta ha lakin dil se nahi hota ,dosron ko apne iman k dhoke me rakhta ha lakin rasool SAW un sub ko jannte the lakin darguzar kerte rahe or apni muhabbat se unhe badalne ki koshish kerte rahe .ab ye na keh dena k rasool ki kooshish kese nakam ho gayi ,kiun k dunya k kai insan aj bhi islam k daire me nahi asake to is me rasool SAW ki tableeg ki nakami nahi ha bulke un ki taqdeer ki nakami ha

dosri bat ye ha k jo rasool SAW k sath bethe ya jinhon ne rasool SAW ko dekha ya jin logon ne un k hath per bayt ki wo sub sahabi the ,to jii nahi agar aesi bat ho to phir tamam mushrik bhi sahabhi kehlain kiun k unho ne rasool SAW ko dekha ,or phir ye k tamam sahabi agar muaziz the to soorah munafiqoon kin sahaba k liyea ai kia wo jo ap ki kitabon me ginti k chund log han un k liyea to aesa her giz nahi kiun k quran qiyamat tuk k liyea ha or wo log jinhe ap munafiq kehte han un ki eeza rasaniyan to kuch arse k liyea hi hoi usi dor me unhe wasil jahanum ker diya gaya kia un chud logon k liyea khuda qiyamat tuk ki kitab me itni barri soora nazil kere ga  zara gor kijea ga munafiqat nikal ker apne dilon se

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 06:32 AM

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hum jub nabi akram SAW  K BARE ME KOI BAT KERTE HAN TO HUM YE KIUN BHOOL JATE HAN K WO RAHMAT UL LILALAMEEN han ,unhon ne us boorhi orat ki bhi ayadat ki jis ne un k ooper kachra phenka ,unho ne taif k sharati logon k haq me bhi hidayet ki dua ki wo jungon me un logon ko bhi male ganeemat ziyada dete the jo sifr us malee ganeemat ki waja se islam me dakhil hote the ,meiraj me allah ne 50 namazon ka hukam diya to nabi SAW NE 5 KERWADI ,Khuda ne dozakh ko nafarmano se bharne ka kaha to rasool ne shifaat ka wada kia ab ap batain jin ka kam hi muhabbat or issar se logon ko theek kerna ha wo dikhawe k logon ko kese narazagi ka moqa den ge wo kafiron ko bakhshte rahe to munafiqon k sath bhi aesa hi to kerna tha k chalo shayed kisi waqt in munafiqon ko aqal ajai or ik bat or ye k munafiq ki nishani yahi ha k wo musalman hone ka dawa kerta ha lakin dil se nahi hota ,dosron ko apne iman k dhoke me rakhta ha lakin rasool SAW un sub ko jannte the lakin darguzar kerte rahe or apni muhabbat se unhe badalne ki koshish kerte rahe .ab ye na keh dena k rasool ki kooshish kese nakam ho gayi ,kiun k dunya k kai insan aj bhi islam k daire me nahi asake to is me rasool SAW ki tableeg ki nakami nahi ha bulke un ki taqdeer ki nakami ha

dosri bat ye ha k jo rasool SAW k sath bethe ya jinhon ne rasool SAW ko dekha ya jin logon ne un k hath per bayt ki wo sub sahabi the ,to jii nahi agar aesi bat ho to phir tamam mushrik bhi sahabhi kehlain kiun k unho ne rasool SAW ko dekha ,or phir ye k tamam sahabi agar muaziz the to soorah munafiqoon kin sahaba k liyea ai kia wo jo ap ki kitabon me ginti k chund log han un k liyea to aesa her giz nahi kiun k quran qiyamat tuk k liyea ha or wo log jinhe ap munafiq kehte han un ki eeza rasaniyan to kuch arse k liyea hi hoi usi dor me unhe wasil jahanum ker diya gaya kia un chud logon k liyea khuda qiyamat tuk ki kitab me itni barri soora nazil kere ga  zara gor kijea ga munafiqat nikal ker apne dilon se

Huma2..


1st thing siddiqui sahab ne yeh topic jo shuru kia he iska main stress or sahaba(ra) k sath jo main target he wo pehle 3 islamic khalifa(Abu Bakr(ra), Umar(ra), Usman(ra)) he (jinhe shia galia dete he [ALLAH un sare shiao ko barbad kare jo inhe gali dete he or inke bare me bura sochte he{ameen}])..

Tumne kaha ki yeh log dikhawa krte the!! Kya yeh baat Quran se proof kr sakte ho?

Me yeh proof kr sakta hun k yeh log dikhawa nahi krte the, ALLAH inke dilo ka haal janta tha or inke dilo me "SAKINA" bheji gai..

Proof: Quran in surah al-fath, 48:4-10.. (sent down in Dhil-Qadah, A.H. 6)

4: Huwa allathee anzala alssakeenata fee quloobi almu/mineena liyazdadoo eemanan maAAa eemanihim walillahi junoodu alssamawati waal-ardi wakana Allahu AAaleeman hakeeman

5: Liyudkhila almu/mineena waalmu/minati jannatin tajree min tahtiha al-anharu khalideena feeha wayukaffira AAanhum sayyi-atihim wakana thalika AAinda Allahi fawzan AAatheeman 6: WayuAAaththiba almunafiqeena waalmunafiqati waalmushrikeena waalmushrikati alththanneena biAllahi thanna alssaw-i AAalayhim da-iratu alssaw-i waghadiba Allahu AAalayhim walaAAanahum waaAAadda lahum jahannama wasaat maseeran 7: Walillahi junoodu alssamawati waal-ardi wakana Allahu AAazeezan hakeeman

8: Inna arsalnaka shahidan wamubashshiran wanatheeran 9: Litu/minoo biAllahi warasoolihi watuAAazziroohu watuwaqqiroohu watusabbihoohu bukratan waaseelan 10: Inna allatheena yubayiAAoonaka innama yubayiAAoona Allaha yadu Allahi fawqa aydeehim faman nakatha fa-innama yankuthu AAala nafsihi waman awfa bima AAahada AAalayhu Allaha fasayu/teehi ajran AAatheeman




In surah al-fath, 48:4-10,, Allah the Exalted said,


﴿هُوَ الَّذِى أَنزَلَ السَّكِينَةَ﴾


(He it is Who sent down As-Sakinah), meaning, tranquility. Qatadah commented, "Grace into the hearts of the believers'', that is, the Companions, may Allah be pleased with them, on the Day of Al-Hudaybiyyah. The companions were they, who accepted the call of Allah and His Messenger and obeyed the decisions of Allah and His Messenger . When their hearts felt content with acceptance and were at peace, Allah increased their faith, joining it to the faith they already had. Al-Bukhari, and other Imams, relied on this Ayah as proof that faith increases and decreases in the hearts. Allah the Exalted said next that had He willed, He would have inflicted defeat on the disbelievers,



Allah says;

﴿وَلِلَّهِ جُنُودُ السَّمَـوَتِ وَالاٌّرْضِ﴾


(And to Allah belong the armies of the heavens and the earth) and had He willed to send only one angel to them, that angel would have brought destruction to all what they had. However, Allah the Exalted willed Jihad and fighting to be established for, and by, the believers for great wisdom, clear reasons and unequivocal evidences that He had in all this.



This is why Allah the Great said next,

﴿وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَلِيماً حَكِيماً﴾


(and Allah is Ever All-Knower, All-Wise.)



Allah the Exalted and Most Honored said,

﴿لِّيُدْخِلَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَـتِ جَنَّـتٍ تَجْرِى مِن تَحْتِهَا الاٌّنْهَـرُ خَـلِدِينَ فِيهَا﴾


(That He may admit the believing men and the believing women to Gardens under which rivers flow to abide therein forever,) We mentioned the Hadith that Anas narrated in which the Companions said, "Congratulations, O Allah's Messenger! This good news is for you, so what good news do we have''



Allah the Exalted sent down this Ayah,
﴿لِّيُدْخِلَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَـتِ جَنَّـتٍ تَجْرِى مِن تَحْتِهَا الاٌّنْهَـرُ خَـلِدِينَ فِيهَا﴾


(That He may admit the believing men and the believing women to Gardens under which rivers flow to abide therein forever,) meaning they will remain in Paradise forever,


﴿وَيُكَفِّرَ عَنْهُمْ سَيِّئَـتِهِمْ﴾


(and He may expiate from them their sins;) Allah will not punish them for their errors and mistakes. Rather, He will forgive, absolve and pardon them and cover the errors, grant mercy and appreciate,


﴿وَكَانَ ذَلِكَ عِندَ اللَّهِ فَوْزاً عَظِيماً﴾

(and that is with Allah supreme success.) Allah the Exalted said in a similar Ayah,


﴿فَمَن زُحْزِحَ عَنِ النَّارِ وَأُدْخِلَ الْجَنَّةَ فَقَدْ فَازَ﴾


(And whoever is removed away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise, he indeed is successful.)

(3:185) Allah said,


﴿وَيُعَذِّبَ الْمُنَـفِقِينَ وَالْمُنَـفِقَـتِ وَالْمُشْرِكِينَ وَالْمُشْرِكَـتِ الظَّآنِّينَ بِاللَّهِ ظَنَّ السَّوْءِ﴾


(And that He may punish the hypocrites, men and women, and also the idolators, men and women, who think evil thoughts about Allah,) who question the wisdom in Allah's decisions and think that the Messenger and his Companions, may Allah be pleased with them, might be killed and exterminated. This is why Allah the Exalted said,


﴿عَلَيْهِمْ دَآئِرَةُ السَّوْءِ وَغَضِبَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَعَنَهُمْ﴾


(for them is a disgraceful torment. And the anger of Allah is upon them, and He has cursed them) He has cast them away from His mercy,


﴿وَأَعَدَّ لَهُمْ جَهَنَّمَ وَسَآءَتْ مَصِيراً﴾


(and prepared Hell for them -- and worst indeed is that destination.) Allah the Exalted and Most Honored asserted His ability to take revenge from the enemies of Islam and all disbelievers and hypocrites,


﴿وَلِلَّهِ جُنُودُ السَّمَـوَتِ وَالاٌّرْضِ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَزِيزاً حَكِيماً ﴾


(And to Allah belong the armies of the heavens and the earth. And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise.)


﴿إِنَّآ أَرْسَلْنَـكَ شَـهِداً وَمُبَشِّراً وَنَذِيراً - لِّتُؤْمِنُواْ بِاللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ وَتُعَزِّرُوهُ وَتُوَقِّرُوهُ وَتُسَبِّحُوهُ بُكْرَةً وَأَصِيلاً - إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يُبَايِعُونَكَ إِنَّمَا يُبَايِعُونَ اللَّهَ يَدُ اللَّهِ فَوْقَ أَيْدِيهِمْ فَمَن نَّكَثَ فَإِنَّمَا يَنكُثُ عَلَى نَفْسِهِ وَمَنْ أَوْفَى بِمَا عَـهَدَ عَلَيْهِ اللَّهَ فَسَيُؤْتِيهِ أَجْراً عَظِيماً ﴾


Verily, We have sent you as a witness, as a bearer of glad tidings, and as a warner. In order that you (O mankind) may believe in Allah and His Messenger and that you Tu`azziruh and Tuwaqqiruh, and Tusabbihuh Bukrah and Asila. Verily, those who give pledge to you, they are giving pledge to Allah. The Hand of Allah is over their hands. Then whosoever breaks his pledge, breaks it only to his own harm; and whosoever fulfills what he has the covenants he makes with Allah, He will bestow on him a great reward.

Kya tum bata sakti ho in 1400 sahaba(ra) me se kis-kis ne is treaty ko toda? Kya is ayat me islamic 3 khalifa (Abu Bakr(ra), Umar(ra), Ali(ra)) mojud na the, jinke dilo ka haal ALLAH ne bata dia k yeh sare log jo tree k niche he wo ALLAH se mohabbat krne wale he.

Or sabse badi baat, jis k liay ALLAH ne sahaba k dilo k haal pata kiya, wo kon he? Kya wo Usman(ra) nahi?


Tum kuch bhi kehti raho lekin Quran inki waqalat krta he..


Or ALLAH ne kaha Quran
surah Baqrah, verse 13 me:

Wa-itha qeela lahum aminoo kama amana alnnasu qaloo anu/minu kama amana alssufahao ala innahum humu alssufahao walakin la yaAAlamoona

And when it is said unto them (Kuffars): Believe as these people [Sahabah(ra)] believe; they say: Shall we believe as these foolish believes? Alert! they (Kuffars) are the foolish but they know not.

Yeh log kon he jo sahaba ko kafir kehte he jinko ALLAH ne kaha k agar tum in sahaba k jaise ALLAH ki ibadat karo? Zahir he ye shia he..



& about surah munafiqun..


This surah was sent down either during the Holy Prophet's immediately after his arrival back at Madinah, had taken place in Sha'ban A.H. 6.

Before we mention the particular incident about which this surah was sent down, it is necessary to have a look at the history of the hypocrites of Madinah, for the incident that occurred on this occasion was not a chance happening but had a whole series of events behind it, which ultimately led up to it. Before the Holy Prophet's emigration to Madinah the tribes of the Aus and the Khazraj, fed up with their mutual rivalries and civil wars, had almost agreed on the leadership of one man and were making preparations to crown him their king. This was Abdullah bin Ubayy bin Salul, the chief of the Khazraj. Muhammad bin Ishaq has stated that among the people of Khazraj his authority was never contested and never had the Aus and the Khazraj rallied to one man before this.

This surah is not for loyal sahaba's.. is surah me yeh wo log he jo sahaba ko peth peche galia bakte the or S.A.W. ki wifes ko bura kehte the,, or upri tor se S.A.W. se mohabbat dikhate the,.. Thek waise hi jaise aaj ka shia..


Or sabse important baat yaha note krne ki yeh he k surah fath 4 mahine baad nazil hui surah munafiqoon k.. To isse yeh pata chalta he k jo log surah munafiqoon me he wo log surah fath k sahaba nahi [jisme abu bakr(ra), umar(ra), usman(ra), ali(ra), talha(ra), zubair(ra) etc. shamil he..]

Edited by mohammadfarhan, 13 October 2009 - 08:06 AM.

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 06:05 PM

tum logon ne pehle 3 khalifa aese chune kiun jin ki 14 so sal se tum log izat bacha rahe ho or phir bhi mushkil ho rahi ha ,ahle bait me se kisi ko chuna hota to aj sakoon ki zindagi basar ker rahe hote kiun k unhe to dushman bhi munafiq nahi keh sakte ,tum logon ne pakistanion ki tara jamhori rai se asif ali zardari ko select kia or phir us k aebon per parde bhi dalne pare. isi liyea kehte ha jamhori rai sahi nahi hoti

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 09:48 PM

View Posthuma2, on Oct 14 2009, 12:05 AM, said:

tum logon ne pehle 3 khalifa aese chune kiun jin ki 14 so sal se tum log izat bacha rahe ho or phir bhi mushkil ho rahi ha ,ahle bait me se kisi ko chuna hota to aj sakoon ki zindagi basar ker rahe hote kiun k unhe to dushman bhi munafiq nahi keh sakte ,tum logon ne pakistanion ki tara jamhori rai se asif ali zardari ko select kia or phir us k aebon per parde bhi dalne pare. isi liyea kehte ha jamhori rai sahi nahi hoti

SHAYAD AAPKO NAHI PATA LEKIN, ILZAMAT SIRF 3 KHALIPHA PAR HI NAHI BALKE HZ ALI PAR BHI LAGE,  LEKIN JAISE HZ ALI(RA) PAR JHOOTE ILZAMAT AUR UNKI BURA KEHNE WALA KAAFIR HAI, WAISE HI 3 KHALIPHA PAR JHOOTE ILZAMAT AUR UNKO BURA KEHNE WALA KAAFIR HAI.
WAISE NA HUM 3 KHAIPHA(RA) KO MASOOM SAMAJTE HAIN NA HZ ALI(RA) KO AUR NA AHLEBAYT KO. GALTIYAN SAB SE HUI HAIN.
Allah is the MAULA of those who believe, whereas the disbelievers have no MAULA (Quran 47:11)

HASBUNALLAHU WA NEMAL WAKEEL, NEMAL MAULA WA NEMAN NASEER
Translation: "Allah (Alone) is Sufficient for us, and He is the Best Disposer of affairs (for us); what an Excellent Maula (Patron, Lord) and what an Excellent Helper!

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 09:52 PM

بسم الله الرحمان الرحيم و الصلاة و السلام على سيد الانبياء و المرسلين اما بعد


Woh log jinhe Allah ne Khilafat ke liye muqarrar kar liya aur unhen iqtidar bkhsha aj tak Allah ke aatta par itraz karne waley atay gai aur jatay gai aur unhen kuch nafaa na hoa. Wilayat nisbat se nahi Allah aur uskay Rasool(SAW) ki ata se hai.Khas tor par Allah ki

قل اللهم مالك الملك تؤتي الملك  من تشاء و تنزع الملك ممن تشاء

App farmaye (ai Rasoolullah http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image008.gif)  Ai mulk(wa sutanat) ka malik tu jise chahta hai MUlk ata karta hai aur Jisse chata hai Mulk cheen leta hai.
Alquran Surah Al-imran.
Aur Allah taala ne unhen رضي الله عنه و رضوا عنهم  faramaya hai ke Allah un se aur woh Allah(swt) se razii hain. To ab jo koi shaks unke imaan ya kirdar par shak karta hai to wo munafiq wa kharaj deen hai woh ALLah ki baat jutla raha hai(maazallah)
Is ayat se thabit hogaya ke khilafat Allah(swt) ki tarf se muqarrar thi. Aur abdullah bin sabaa yahoodi jis ne sab se pehlay Khulafai salasa (hazarat abu bakar , hazarat Umar aur hazarat Usman (ra) ) ki mukhalfat ki aur Hazarat Ali(ra) ke haq me wilayat  wa khilafat ka dawa kiya musalamano me intshar paida karney ke liye Shion ki apni kitabon Rijal Kashi se sabit hai. jabke teeeno khulafaa apni waqt pura kar chukay thay .

Aur ye shaks hazarat Ali(ra) ke hukum se jala diya geya jab us ne nubuwat ka dawa kiya aur ye kaha ke Hazarat Ali(ra) khuda hain (nauzbillah) ye bhi shion ki apni
kitab Rijal ibn Daoowd se thabit hai .

Baqi raha Kulafai salasa ka to woh khilafat kar ke chale gai aur ronay wale rotay rahe. Ap kya roona baji jab chiraya chog gai kheet .
Jab sanp nikal giya to ab lakeer petnay se qaya faida( Sanp se murab koi zaat me nahi le raha hai balkey Muhawara de raha hon baat samjhanay ke liye).

والله اعلم بالصواب


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Posted 14 October 2009 - 04:37 AM

View Posthuma2, on Oct 13 2009, 11:35 PM, said:

tum logon ne pehle 3 khalifa aese chune kiun jin ki 14 so sal se tum log izat bacha rahe ho or phir bhi mushkil ho rahi ha ,ahle bait me se kisi ko chuna hota to aj sakoon ki zindagi basar ker rahe hote kiun k unhe to dushman bhi munafiq nahi keh sakte ,tum logon ne pakistanion ki tara jamhori rai se asif ali zardari ko select kia or phir us k aebon per parde bhi dalne pare. isi liyea kehte ha jamhori rai sahi nahi hoti

Tumhe mere dalil kya jhutti lagti he bachchi!! Mene Quran se proof kiya he na ki hadith se, jise tum ye kaho k sunnio ki jhuti hadith he..


Agar Quran ki ayato ka ilm nahi to tum kya ho, ek nasamajh? Mujhe hairat he tumhe Quran k nazil hone ki tarikhe bhi nahi malum bcoz jo tumne pehle claim kiya surah munafiqoon ko lekar, usse to yehi lagta he, k tumhe sirf majliso me bethna ata he or zakiro ka bhokna achcha lagta he!!

Or baji unki izzat ALLAH ne bachai he Quran me or unhe rutba dia duniya me, mohabbat di S.A.W. ki zindagi me, or unki wafat k baad jagah di S.A.W. k qareeb (subhanallah)..

Or rahi baat Ahle-bayt ki to hum mohabbat krte he ahle-bayt se, thek waise hi jaise apne khalifao se krte he.. lekin agar tumhare lagta he k ahle-bayt k liay jab na kre tab tak mohabbat proof nahi hoti,, to baji janlo hum apne khalifao k liay bhi matam nahi krte to isse yeh proof nahi hota k hum unse nafrat krte he,, sirf magarmach k ansoo bahane se mohabbat nahi hoti..

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Posted 14 October 2009 - 03:26 PM

Sallam
           HAQ CHAR YAAR
Yaar mere bhaion our behno app loog jin baatoun per bahes ker rahe ho wo khatam hone wali nahi han our na inko mushreeqeen khatam hone denge.
han aik baat ye k SHIASM sey darkhwast hai k app loog sanbhal jao. apke samne QURAN our AHADEES ki baat ki jati hai app wo nahi mante han our apne sirf waqye paesh ker date han our unko app jawab kehte han ager app k paas koi proof hai k HAZRAT SIDDIQUE R.A UMER R.A USMAN R.A (NAOZUBILLALH) ghalat thea to app QURAN our AHADEES sey sabit karen. ye mangarat waqye mat sunaye our ager app QURAN OUR AHADEES ki baat nahi mante han our apne imamo ki jo majlisoun mein batate han app sey kerne ko wo kerte han to app ko kya lagta hai k app suche ho? App ko ALLAH he pooche ga.
wah kya zamana a gaya hai aj kal loog QURAN OUR AHADEES ki baat nahi man rahe han kya ye app acha kar rahe han? kya app loogon ka dil manta hai ye sub karne ka?
HAZRAT ALI (R.A) ka qaul hai k aik gali dene sey app k qabar mein aik bichoo ka izafa ho jata hai. App to apni majlisoun mein galian date ho ab iss baat ka kya jawab?
kal ko app ko koi kahega k appki Waleda ne ye kaam kiya (MUAF KERNA MISAL DI HAI) to app unko gali do ge? nahi do ge na.
bass humen gawara nahi k koi hamare KHULFAE RASHEEDEEN k bare mein zara kuch bhi kahe.
BAQI ALLAH JANNE WALA HAI.


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Posted 28 December 2009 - 07:23 PM

quoting Bibi Fatima dua
Dua parho or phir apnay khalifo ki asliat dekho. aik baat aur jo aap k sawal may nahi thi lekin mein khud batai hoon. aapk khalifo say nafrat ki aik waja ye bhi hai k jab Hazur ki death huee to jo Hazur ka bagh(garden) tha baghe fidak wo bibi Fatime ko milna chaye tha lekin apni history check karain k Hazur ki death k baad wo bagh aapk khalifao nay gabza leya. agar kisi ka baap mar jaye to uski jaidad uski olaad ko milti hai ... Bibi Fatima jo itni parda daar khaatoon thi unko aapk khalifao nay darbar may bulaya is bagh k leye...phir aap log kaisay unko theek keh saktay hain...ye sab kuch aapki kitabo may bhi hain.



In the name of Allah the Beneficent the Merciful.
O Allah! Curse the two idols of Quraish [Abu Bakr and Umar]and their two daughters [Aisha and Hafsa]. Rebuke them, they have consumed Your sustenance and have denied Your obligations. Both have discarded Your commands, have rejected Your revelation, have disobeyed Your Prophet, have destroyed Your religion, have distorted Your book, have made Your laws ineffective, have declared Your obligatory actions as incorrect, have disbelieved in Your signs, have oppressed Your friends, have loved Your enemies, have spread corruption among Your people, [and] have made Your world incur losses.

O Allah! Send Your curses on them and their helpers as they have ruined the house of Your prophet, have dug the door of his house, broken the roof, have brought down the walls, have made the skies [into] the ground, have destroyed its inhabitants, have killed their supporters, have put to death their children, have deserted his pulpit

O Allah, send Your chastisement on them to the extent of the [combined] sins of every disobedient person.

and to the number of pious people whom they have troubled, and whom they have driven out of their cities and [thereby] helped the disbelievers, and the Imam on whom they were cruel

and [they] have changed the obligatory laws, and have destroyed the practise of the Holy Prophet.

and whatever evils they have concealed, the blood which they have shed

[They] have changed the goodness and have altered the commands, have created disbelief

the lie for which they have cheated, the inheritance which they have plundered

[they have] stopped the booties from [being given to] them, and [they] have consumed the prohibited wealth, and that Khums (the fifth part) which they considered as permitted for them, and that evil whose foundation was put, and that cruelty which they made common, that oppression which they spread, those promises which they dishonored, those covenants which they broke, those lawful things which they termed as unlawful, and those unlawful things which they termed as lawful, that hypocrisy which they have concealed in their hearts

and to the amount of treachery which they bore in their hearts, and those stomachs which they have split openand that door which they broke-open, and those gatherings which they dispersed and those degraded people whom they gave honor to, and those honorable people whom they insulted, and by the number of rights which they have usurped

and the order of the Imam which they opposed, bestow Your wrath on them to the extent of their atrocities!

O Allah! Your curses on them to the extent of alteration in the Quran and the covering of truth, rendering the will worthless, and breaking the promises, and declaring all the claims as void, refusing all allegiances, presenting excuses, introducing breach of trustBestow Your curses on them!

O Allah curse those two, secretly and openly, with such a beating which is forever continuous, nonstop and innumberable. Such a whipping which commences in the morning but does not end at night.*

Such a beating should be on those tyrants, and their helpers, their assistance, their friends and their lovers, those attracted to them and those who acknowledge their deeds, those who present proof for them, and those who follow their words, and those who approve their actions.

(Then recite four times).

O Allah! Send such a harsh chastisement upon them that the dwellers of Hell start screaming. O Lord of the Universe, accept this prayer from me.

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 07:30 PM

aap her cheez ka jawab Quran say mangtay hai. Quran may to tarawee ka kahi bhi zikar nahi phir q tarawee partay hain:) Quran may hai k Quran thehar thehar k parho. aap log taraweio may Quran ka kya haal kartay hai kaisay speed say partay hai....yaha aap kya kehna pasan karain gayn. hum to Quran say apna matam bhi sabit kar saktay hai ...ya aap apni tarawia sabit karsaktay hain?jawab zaror daina...aap logo ka pala ab muj say para hai ab dekhna kaisay her cheez ka jawab Quran or aap logo ki books say dongi or aap logo ka moon chup karao gee

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 02:20 AM

View PostSIDDIQUI, on Sep 24 2009, 02:35 PM, said:

ASSALAM-O-ALIKUM WA REHAMAT ALLAH,

MAY AHLE-TASHEE (SHIA) SAHIBAN SAY UN K SARAY SAWALON K JAWAB MAY
SIRF "1" SAWAL KARTA HON, UMMED HAY K WO IS KA SADA JAWAB DAIN GAY.

Q: SAHABA-E-KARAM KA MATLAB KYA HAY OR AGAR HAZRAT MUHAMMAD (S.A.W.W)
     K WO SAHABA-E-KARAM GHALAT THAY (MAY ALLAH FORGIVE ME) TU NABI (S.A.W.A)
     NAY UN KO APNA DOST Q RAKHA JAB K WOH ALLAH K MEHBOOB HAIN OR UN SAY
     KISI GHALATI KA TASAWER BHE NAHI KYA JA SAKTA ?

PLEASE BOHAT SOCH SAMAJH KAR JAWAB DEJEAY GA YAY ENNAN A MAMMLA HAY.

W/SALAAM
SIDDIQUI

Zara aap es ayat ka javab dai dai to beshak shia aap ka javab dai dainge bhaijaan


And among those around you of the wandering Arabs are hypocrites and
among the people of Medina there are some who persist in hypocrisy whom
thou (0 Muhammad) know not. We know them and We shall chastise them
twice; then they will be relegated to a painful doom." (ch. 9, v. 101)
chapter Al-Munafiqun sahabiyo k liye hai.

Aur rahi baat humari hum haq ko daikte hain quran ki ayat kiske liye allah swt ne reveal ki aap ko ye bhi daikhna padaiga arab mai zada log hypocrite the aur mmin nahi .Aur allah in he sahabiyo ko jahnum mai dalle ga Ab aap ko daiklhna hai kaun humare rasoolallah k sath hai .Vaise kehne ko sath to sabhi rehtye the lakin kuch he rasoolallah ko mante the.
Imam Shaafi was a Rafidi

"If loving the Wasi of the Prophet, Ali Murtadha a Rafidi, then verily amongst all the people I am the greatest Rafidi. From the plain of Mina I will shout to all those standing or sitting, if loving the family of the Prophet makes you a Rafidi, then I testify before the mankind and Djinns I am a Rafidi"


Sawaiq al Muhriqah, page 449 & 450 (Faisalabad, Pakistan)

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 09:04 AM

View PostSIDDIQUI, on Sep 24 2009, 03:05 PM, said:

ASSALAM-O-ALIKUM WA REHAMAT ALLAH,

MAY AHLE-TASHEE (SHIA) SAHIBAN SAY UN K SARAY SAWALON K JAWAB MAY
SIRF "1" SAWAL KARTA HON, UMMED HAY K WO IS KA SADA JAWAB DAIN GAY.

Q: SAHABA-E-KARAM KA MATLAB KYA HAY OR AGAR HAZRAT MUHAMMAD (S.A.W.W)
     K WO SAHABA-E-KARAM GHALAT THAY (MAY ALLAH FORGIVE ME) TU NABI (S.A.W.A)
     NAY UN KO APNA DOST Q RAKHA JAB K WOH ALLAH K MEHBOOB HAIN OR UN SAY
     KISI GHALATI KA TASAWER BHE NAHI KYA JA SAKTA ?

PLEASE BOHAT SOCH SAMAJH KAR JAWAB DEJEAY GA YAY ENNAN A MAMMLA HAY.

W/SALAAM
SIDDIQUI
Siddiqui Saheb Salamun Alaikum
Khuda ka lakh lakh Shukr hai k Ahle Sunnat hazrat me koi ek admi nazar aaya jise baat karne ka saleequa ho warna to yehi dekhne me aaya hai k badtameezi  aur behudgi se baat shuru karte hain aur Isi par khatam kardete hain.
Khair chhoren,
Apki baat ka jawab hazir hai..
(i) Pehle to aap yeh batayen k kya Muhammad Mustafa (SWAS) se pehle kisi Nabi k Sahaba ko itni azmat dee gayee jitna aap log Rasullallah k Sahaba ko dete hain. Kya Eisa, Moosa, Ibrahim, Ismail (alaihamussalam) jaise Nabiyon k sahaba  na the Kya unhe deen me itna ikhteyar tha ke apne Nabi k baad siyah safed kucch bhi Karen; Agar nahi to Phir Allah ne apni sunnat huzur (SWAS) k zamane me kyun badal di Jab k khuda kahta hai .and you will not surely find any change in Allahs way in any case (Al-Fatir, Ayat 43).  Then why Allah changed here his stand;
(ii) Sahi Bukhari Vol. 1, Hadith No. 114. Hazrat Ibne Abbas  (RA) farmate hain k Jab Rasoollallah ki Bimari barh gayee to farmaya likhne ka saman lao main tumhe aisi dastawez likh dun k uske baad tum bhatko nahi. Hazrat Umar (RA)  bole Rasoollullah  (SWAS) par Bimari ka ghalba hai.  Hamare pass Kitab kaffi hai. Logon me Ikhtelaf rai Paida hogaya aur shor mach gaya.Apne farmaya mere ghar se chale jao. Ibne Abbas bahar nikle aur kaha hai museebat waye museebat jo Rasoollullah ki tehreer me aar ban gayee.
(iii) Siddiqui sahib khuda k liye batayen(1)..Omar ne Rasoollullah ki zindagi me shak kiya unke sacche Rasool hone parSulah Hudabya ke waqeat gawah hainKya yahan bhi reference ki zarurat hai.agar kahen to reference bhi diya jasakta hai, (2) Huzoor k akheri lamhat me unki khuli nafarmani ki Likhne k liye qalam dawat na dekar Jab k quran kahta hai k Huzoor kuch bolte hi nahi magar wo jo Allah chahta hai.kya Huzoor par Bimari ghalba pa sakti hai?, yahan tak hua k Huzoor (SWAS) ne apni bazm se bahar nikaljane ka hokum sadir farmadiya (dekhiye Sahi Bukhari);  (3) Huzoor k baad unki shehzadi par zulm kiya, yahan tak k unke ghar par aag lagayee, darwaza giraya jis se unka baccha shaheed hua aur kuch hi din baad wo shahadat pa gayeen. Aap [Fatema Zehra (SA)] ne apne akhri lamhat tak Abu bakar, Omar se kalam nahi kiyaJab k Sarware Kaunain (SWAS) ki hadith Bukhari aur tamam sahihai sitta me muttaddid jagah bhari pari haink Fatema mere jism ka hissa hai..jisne isko sataya usne mujhe sataya..Jisne use azeeyat di usne mujhe azeeyat di  Fatema ki narazgi meri Narazgi hai, Quran me hai Sura Ahzab (Para 21, ayat 57) jo Allah aur uske Rasool (SWAS) ko azeeyat (takleef) dete hain unpar dunya aur akherat me laanatIn rewayat ko aap kehte hain jhooti hainJhooti riwayat aur Sahi bukhari me? Phir in kitabo ki authenticity hi kya hai. Kya aap ab bhi aap kahenge k Sahaba-e-kiram se ghalti ka imkan nahighalat baat ka unse tasawwur bhi nahi kiya ja sakta.Sahi Bukhari aur sahi muslim likhi hi gayeen hain mangharat hadiso k liye aur in me beshumar ikhtelafat wali hadiseen hai n k Ahle Bayat e- Rasool ki fazeelat ghatai jasake aur Sahaba ki fazeelat ko barhya ja sakeHuzoor k sadiyon baad ye kitaben ghari gayeen hain
Ap ke charon Imam Sarware Kaunain (SWAS) k sadiyon baad aaye.. Sab ne alag alag shariyat qayam ki.. Apni apni pasandeeda baton ko Deen bataya.  Jo ek k nazdeek haram hai wo doosre k nazdeed jayaz aur Halal. Jo ek Halal  batata hai wo doosra haram batata hai.. Had yeh hai k ek hi Imam k manne wale do giroho me zameen asman ka farq hai.. ek doosre k jani dushman haiBarelvi aur deobandi dono Hanafi hain magar ek doosre ko kafir kehte hainKyon k dono k imam Bu haneefa hainJo Imam the magar unke Larki (Daughter) unse zyada aqal rakhti thee Isiliye unhe Abu Haneefa kahte hainKahan tak apki kamiyan ginwayenKhud hi ghaur kar lenchahen to mujh se alag se contact KarenMera e-mail add:  silver_princeyob87@yahoo.co.in hai.


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Posted 29 December 2009 - 10:28 AM

View Postmanzar, on Dec 29 2009, 02:04 PM, said:

Siddiqui Saheb Salamun Alaikum
Khuda ka lakh lakh Shukr hai k Ahle Sunnat hazrat me koi ek admi nazar aaya jise baat karne ka saleequa ho warna to yehi dekhne me aaya hai k badtameezi  aur behudgi se baat shuru karte hain aur Isi par khatam kardete hain.
Khair chhoren,
Apki baat ka jawab hazir hai..
(i) Pehle to aap yeh batayen k kya Muhammad Mustafa (SWAS) se pehle kisi Nabi k Sahaba ko itni azmat dee gayee jitna aap log Rasullallah k Sahaba ko dete hain. Kya Eisa, Moosa, Ibrahim, Ismail (alaihamussalam) jaise Nabiyon k sahaba  na the Kya unhe deen me itna ikhteyar tha ke apne Nabi k baad siyah safed kucch bhi Karen; Agar nahi to Phir Allah ne apni sunnat huzur (SWAS) k zamane me kyun badal di Jab k khuda kahta hai ".and you will not surely find any change in Allah's way in any case" (Al-Fatir, Ayat 43).  Then why Allah changed here his stand;

1..Acha aap yeh batayen NABI SAW say pehlay kisi nabi ko aakhri nabi kaha gaya???
2...NABI SAW say pehlay kisi NABI ki kitaab mehfooz hai ya ALLAH nay kisi NABI say wada kia kay tumhari kitaab ki hifazat ham karaen gay???
agar aisay main nay baat shru ki to boht door nikal jayegi .....
maslan NABI SAW say pehlay to direct NABI ka beta bhi kafir ho kar mara TO yeh AHL E BAIT kahan say sabit karo gay is USOOL par?????
Use ur brain........


(ii) Sahi Bukhari Vol. 1, Hadith No. 114. Hazrat Ibne Abbas  (RA) farmate hain k Jab Rasoollallah ki Bimari barh gayee to farmaya likhne ka saman lao main tumhe aisi dastawez likh dun k uske baad tum bhatko nahi. Hazrat Umar (RA)  bole Rasoollullah  (SWAS) par Bimari ka ghalba hai.  Hamare pass Kitab kaffi hai. Logon me Ikhtelaf rai Paida hogaya aur shor mach gaya.Apne farmaya mere ghar se chale jao. Ibne Abbas bahar nikle aur kaha hai museebat waye museebat jo Rasoollullah ki tehreer me aar ban gayee.
SABIT kia hua kay  beemari kay waqt kon paas tha UMER BIN KHATTAB na kay ALI BIN ABU TALIB RA.....tum janazay ko rotay ho kay chor kar chalay gay....agar ham yeh ilzaam tum par rakh dain kay beemari main chor kar chalay gay.....to kia khayal hay????Hamaray liay ALI RA equally respectful hain.....ALHAMDULILLAH....agar UMER nay nahin di kaaghaz qalam to ALI day daitay....kiun nai di?????kahan thay.....hay koi jawab????


(iii) Siddiqui sahib khuda k liye batayen(1)..Omar ne Rasoollullah ki zindagi me shak kiya unke sacche Rasool hone parSulah Hudabya ke waqeat gawah hainKya yahan bhi reference ki zarurat hai.agar kahen to reference bhi diya jasakta hai,
ACHA pura waqia suna do plzzzz kay sulha hudaibiaya kiun hui thi????kab hui thi???bait kiun hui???i wil be thankful to you.......



(2) Huzoor k akheri lamhat me unki khuli nafarmani ki Likhne k liye qalam dawat na dekar Jab k quran kahta hai k Huzoor kuch bolte hi nahi magar wo jo Allah chahta hai.kya Huzoor par Bimari ghalba pa sakti hai?, yahan tak hua k Huzoor (SWAS) ne apni bazm se bahar nikaljane ka hokum sadir farmadiya (dekhiye Sahi Bukhari);
is point pay oooper wazahat talab ki hay main nay.....


(3) Huzoor k baad unki shehzadi par zulm kiya, yahan tak k unke ghar par aag lagayee, darwaza giraya jis se unka baccha shaheed hua aur kuch hi din baad wo shahadat pa gayeen. Aap [Fatema Zehra (SA)] ne apne akhri lamhat tak Abu bakar, Omar se kalam nahi kiyaJab k Sarware Kaunain (SWAS) ki hadith Bukhari aur tamam sahihai sitta me muttaddid jagah bhari pari haink Fatema mere jism ka hissa hai..jisne isko sataya usne mujhe sataya..Jisne use azeeyat di usne mujhe azeeyat di  Fatema ki narazgi meri Narazgi hai, Quran me hai Sura Ahzab (Para 21, ayat 57) jo Allah aur uske Rasool (SWAS) ko azeeyat (takleef) dete hain unpar dunya aur akherat me laanatIn rewayat ko aap kehte hain jhooti hainJhooti riwayat aur Sahi bukhari me? Phir in kitabo ki authenticity hi kya hai. Kya aap ab bhi aap kahenge k Sahaba-e-kiram se ghalti ka imkan nahighalat baat ka unse tasawwur bhi nahi kiya ja sakta.Sahi Bukhari aur sahi muslim likhi hi gayeen hain mangharat hadiso k liye aur in me beshumar ikhtelafat wali hadiseen hai n k Ahle Bayat e- Rasool ki fazeelat ghatai jasake aur Sahaba ki fazeelat ko barhya ja sakeHuzoor k sadiyon baad ye kitaben ghari gayeen hain
Ap ke charon Imam Sarware Kaunain (SWAS) k sadiyon baad aaye.. Sab ne alag alag shariyat qayam ki.. Apni apni pasandeeda baton ko Deen bataya.  Jo ek k nazdeek haram hai wo doosre k nazdeed jayaz aur Halal. Jo ek Halal  batata hai wo doosra haram batata hai.. Had yeh hai k ek hi Imam k manne wale do giroho me zameen asman ka farq hai.. ek doosre k jani dushman haiBarelvi aur deobandi dono Hanafi hain magar ek doosre ko kafir kehte hainKyon k dono k imam Bu haneefa hainJo Imam the magar unke Larki (Daughter) unse zyada aqal rakhti thee Isiliye unhe Abu Haneefa kahte hainKahan tak apki kamiyan ginwayenKhud hi ghaur kar lenchahen to mujh se alag se contact KarenMera e-mail add:  silver_princeyob87@yahoo.co.in hai.

ACHA g....Asal main tumhara yeh aqeeda ABU BAKR O UMER kay khilaaf nahin...ALI BIN ABI TALIB kay khilaaf hay....kiun kay tumhain to apni behn bewi aur maan pay boht ghairat aati hay kay koi maili aankh say unhen nahin daik sakta,,,,poori kaainaat main sirf ALI RA tumain milay kay jin ki bewi ki itni toheen ki gayee aur woh tamasha daikhtay rahay.....aur ghairat say majbooor ho kar zulfiqaar nahin nikaaali....afsos....tumhain stories aur myths kay zareeay pagal bana rakha hay zakiron nay aur milllions of rupppes they earning from you by majalis........
USE UR BRAIN?????


Allah Kay Ham Mujahid Hain GHulAM Mustufa(SAW) KAY
Sahaba(RA) kay sab sipahee baitay hain Ayesha(RA) kay

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Ho jiss seeney may Bughz Paighmber SAW aur Sahaba RA ka..
Hay yahi behtar kay....... woh seena sada pit... taaaa ... Rahayy

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 02:25 PM

@ Kanize Zahra

Alhamdulillah, today somebody turned down the cloak of taqya and admitted that dua e sanam e quraish is regarding Syedna Umer R.A and Syedna Abu Bakar R.A... I have seen tons of shi'ites lying blatantly that its not about Sheikhain R.A... Thanx Mam! Thanx for exposing the filthy religon of yours...

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 02:57 PM

View PostAli Mua'awiah, on Dec 29 2009, 08:25 PM, said:

@ Kanize Zahra

Alhamdulillah, today somebody turned down the cloak of taqya and admitted that dua e sanam e quraish is regarding Syedna Umer R.A and Syedna Abu Bakar R.A... I have seen tons of shi'ites lying blatantly that its not about Sheikhain R.A... Thanx Mam! Thanx for exposing the filthy religon of yours...
salam,
Brother mai aap se mafi mangana chahunga ager aapko bura laga kyoki shiat mai kisi k religion k baare mai kehna sahi nahi mante zehra sis ne lakin jo ayat paish kiya hain vo lakin authentic hain rahi baat in hadeeso ki bhai humare paas hadise hain inke khilaf aapke he bohot badhe alim usko sahih mante the mai hadees paste nahi kerna chahta lakin vo sahih hain. Ab ye aapko decide kerna hai k aap rasoolallah(sawa) k sath hain ya sahaba k bas itni si baat hai aur ager aapko bura laga ho zahra sis ki baat ka to mai mafi mangta hu.


your brother
Imam Shaafi was a Rafidi

"If loving the Wasi of the Prophet, Ali Murtadha a Rafidi, then verily amongst all the people I am the greatest Rafidi. From the plain of Mina I will shout to all those standing or sitting, if loving the family of the Prophet makes you a Rafidi, then I testify before the mankind and Djinns I am a Rafidi"


Sawaiq al Muhriqah, page 449 & 450 (Faisalabad, Pakistan)

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 04:41 PM

View Posthaiderzaidi, on Dec 29 2009, 07:57 PM, said:

salam,
Brother mai aap se mafi mangana chahunga ager aapko bura laga kyoki shiat mai kisi k religion k baare mai kehna sahi nahi mante zehra sis ne lakin jo ayat paish kiya hain vo lakin authentic hain rahi baat in hadeeso ki bhai humare paas hadise hain inke khilaf aapke he bohot badhe alim usko sahih mante the mai hadees paste nahi kerna chahta lakin vo sahih hain. Ab ye aapko decide kerna hai k aap rasoolallah(sawa) k sath hain ya sahaba k bas itni si baat hai aur ager aapko bura laga ho zahra sis ki baat ka to mai mafi mangta hu.


your brother

tumhari saab say authentic kitaaab al-kafi (al-kufar) may 2000 rewayat hain jin may likha huwa hai kay quran changed kar diya gaya hai us kay baray may kiya khayal hai.

or agar tum shia bakwas joo majlis kay naam par hoti hain tu tum khud maan logay kay shia hazrat quran ko sahi nahi majtay, tum khud "apna tv" ki bakwas yani majlis sun lo kharis khatam ho jaygi.

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 05:10 PM

Siddiqui Saheb Salamun Alaikum
Khuda ka lakh lakh Shukr hai k Ahle Sunnat hazrat me koi ek admi nazar aaya jise baat karne ka saleequa ho warna to yehi dekhne me aaya hai k badtameezi aur behudgi se baat shuru karte hain aur Isi par khatam kardete hain.
Khair chhoren,
Apki baat ka jawab hazir hai..
(i) Pehle to aap yeh batayen k kya Muhammad Mustafa (SWAS) se pehle kisi Nabi k Sahaba ko itni azmat dee gayee jitna aap log Rasullallah k Sahaba ko dete hain. Kya Eisa, Moosa, Ibrahim, Ismail (alaihamussalam) jaise Nabiyon k sahaba na the Kya unhe deen me itna ikhteyar tha ke apne Nabi k baad siyah safed kucch bhi Karen; Agar nahi to Phir Allah ne apni sunnat huzur (SWAS) k zamane me kyun badal di Jab k khuda kahta hai ".and you will not surely find any change in Allah's way in any case" (Al-Fatir, Ayat 43). Then why Allah changed here his stand;

1..Acha aap yeh batayen NABI SAW say pehlay kisi nabi ko aakhri nabi kaha gaya???
2...NABI SAW say pehlay kisi NABI ki kitaab mehfooz hai ya ALLAH nay kisi NABI say wada kia kay tumhari kitaab ki hifazat ham karaen gay???
agar aisay main nay baat shru ki to boht door nikal jayegi .....
maslan NABI SAW say pehlay to direct NABI ka beta bhi kafir ho kar mara TO yeh AHL E BAIT kahan say sabit karo gay is USOOL par?????
Use ur brain........

MERE KHAYAL SE BRAIN JAISI CHEEZ APKE PASS KHUD NAHI HAI.. KAHAN KI BAAT HAI KAHAN LEJARAHE HAIN. MERA SAWAL THA K HUZOOR MAQBOOL (SWAS) SE PEHLE KISI NABI K SAHABA KO ITNI AZMAT KYUN HASIL NAHI HUI.  BALKE UNKA ZIKR TAK NAHI HAI.  PHIR KHUDA NE YAHAN APNI SUNNAT KYUN BADAL DEE. JAB KE KHUDA QURAN ME KAHIN JAGAH WAZEH TAUR PAR IRSHAD FARMATA HAI K MERI SUNNAT ME TABDEELI NAHI MILEGI. MERI BAAT KO PEHLE SAMJHEN GHAUR FARMAYEN PHIR JAWAB DEN. IS SE KYA TALLUQ HAI K PEHLE KISI NABI KO AKHRI NABI KAHA GAYA YA NAHI. BAAT SAHABA KI HORAHI HAI.
(ii) Sahi Bukhari Vol. 1, Hadith No. 114. Hazrat Ibne Abbas (RA) farmate hain k Jab Rasoollallah ki Bimari barh gayee to farmaya likhne ka saman lao main tumhe aisi dastawez likh dun k uske baad tum bhatko nahi. Hazrat Umar (RA) bole Rasoollullah (SWAS) par Bimari ka ghalba hai. Hamare pass Kitab kaffi hai. Logon me Ikhtelaf rai Paida hogaya aur shor mach gaya.Apne farmaya mere ghar se chale jao. Ibne Abbas bahar nikle aur kaha hai museebat waye museebat jo Rasoollullah ki tehreer me aar ban gayee.
SABIT kia hua kay beemari kay waqt kon paas tha UMER BIN KHATTAB na kay ALI BIN ABU TALIB RA.....tum janazay ko rotay ho kay chor kar chalay gay....agar ham yeh ilzaam tum par rakh dain kay beemari main chor kar chalay gay.....to kia khayal hay????Hamaray liay ALI RA equally respectful hain.....ALHAMDULILLAH....agar UMER nay nahin di kaaghaz qalam to ALI day daitay....kiun nai di?????kahan thay.....hay koi jawab????

PEHLE TO YEH SUNLEN K YEH ILZAM HUM PAR NAHI MAULA-E-KAYNAT ALI IBNE ABI TALIB (AS) PAR RAKHENGE JAISE K AAP HAZRAT HAMA WAQT ISI FIRAQ ME REHTE HAIN K HAZRAT ALI (AS) KI KOI KHATA PAKAR SAKEN.  MISAL K TAUR PAR MAIN NE MAUDOODI KI KHIALAFAT-O-MALOOKYAT PARHI HAI. US NE TAJZIYA KIYA HAI HAZRAT ALI KI DAUR-E-KHIALAFAT KA AUR AKHIR ME LIKHA HAI K MUJHE KOI GHALTI HAZRAT ALI (RA) KI KHIALAFAT K DAUR ME NAHI MILI SIWAYE ISKE K UNHONE QATILANE USMAN SE JAWAB TALAB NAHI KIYA. GHAUR FARMAYEN MAUDOODI (JO AISA HI SUNNI THA JAISE AUR HOTE HAINMAGAR USNE USMAN KI GHALITYAN GINAWAYEEN HAIN) KI JURRAT. KAHAN EK DO KAURI KA MULLA KAHAN MAULA-E-KAYNAT, JINHE QURAN NE NAFSE RASOOL KAHA HAI. DOOSRE YEH K HUZOOR FARMA RAHE THE K LAO QALAM DAWAT LAO K EK TEHREER LIKH DUN KE TUM GUMRAHI SE BACH JAO. YEH MATALBA UNSE THA JO KHUD KABHI GUMRAH THE JINKI HIDAYAT K LIYE ALLAH NE SARWAR-E-KAUNAIN (SWAS) KO BHEJA THA. PARHEN QURAN KI SURA-E-JUMA (AYAT 2) ALLAH IS THE ONE WHO SENT AMONG THE ILLITERATE PEOPLE A MESSENGER FROM AMONG THEMSELVES TO RECITE TO THEM HIS WORDS OF REVELATION, IN ORDER TO PURIFY THEM FROM THE DIRT OF DISBELIEF AND PAGANISM; AND TO TEACH THEM THE BOOK OF TRUTH AND WISDOM, THOUGH THEY HAD BEEN BEFORE IN A GROSS ERROR.  AAP HUZOOR KO ANPARH (ILLITERATE).MAAZALLAH, SUMMA MAAZALLAHKEHTE NAHI THAKTE.AUR ALLAH ITNA .NAUZUBILLAH.BEKHABAR HAI K JAHILON KO PARHANE K LIYE EK ILLITERATE (NAUZUBILLAH) NABI KO BHEJ RAHA HAIKHAIR YEH EK ALAG MAUZU HAIBAT HO RAHI HAI K HAZRAT ALI NE KYUN NA DIYA PEN AND PAPERTO HUZOOR NE YEH NAVISHTA (TEHREER) UNLOGON K LIYE MANGI THEE JINSA GUMRAHI KA KHATRA THA AUR WO BAAD ME GUMRAH HUE BHISAHI BUKHARI ME EK JAGAH AUR BHI ZIKR HAI K HUZOOR NE FARMAYA K MUJHE PATA HAI K MERE BAAD TUM KAISI KAISI BIDATEN PHAILAOGEYAHAN TAK HAI K HAUZE KAUSAR PAR JAB HUZOOR HONGE TO KUCH LOGON KO FARISTHE JAHANNUM ME LEJARAHE HONGE TO HUZOOR KAHENGE K YEH MERE ASHAB http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image027.gif HAIN TO FARISTHE JAWAB DENGE K HUZOOR APKO NAHI KHABAR IN LOGON NE APKE BAAD KYA KYA KHURAFAT MACHAYEE HAIN (Shayad kehen k apki para-e-jigar..jiske liye apne wazeh tareen alfaz me kaha tha k yeh mere jism ka hissa haijis par yeh ghazabnak hui uspar main ghazabnak hunga, uska ghar jaladiya, pehloo shakista kiya, baccha shaheed  kardiya aur aakhir me  apki sahabzadi in zalimon k hathon shaheed hogayeen) TO YEH TEHREER UNKE LIYE THEEALI (AS) TO AYA-E-TATHEER (SURA AHZABAYAT 33) K MISDAQ HAIN. JINKO KHUDA NE MEHFOOZ RAKHA HAI HAR NIJASAT SE..TO ALI KYUN DENGE QALAM DAWATNA ALI (AS) SE MATALBA THA NA ALI NE IS MASLE ME DAKHAL ANDAZI KI. JINKO DAR THA UNHONE INKAR KARDIYA. WO JANTE THE K HUZOOR (SWAS) KYA LIKHNE WALE HAIN. AUR AGAR ALI (AS) PEN N PAPER DEBHI DETE TO ILZAM PHIR ALI (AS) PAR AATA K APNI KHWAHISHAT KO HUZOOR SE AKHRI WAQT ME POORA KARA LIYA..AAJ BHI ALI PAR ILZAM HAI K NAUZUBILLAH ALI (AS) KO HAWAS-E-IQTEDAR THEE.  AUR PHIR YEH SARASAR GHALAT HAI K ALI (AS) WAQT WISAL-E-NABI MAUJOOD NA THE. ALI(AS) NA HOTE TO AUR KAUN HOTA. HAN YEH NAAM NIHAD SAHABA WISALE SARWARE KAUNAIN (SWAS) HOTE HI BHAG KHARE HUE AUR SAQEEFA ME JAKAR MEETING JORNE LAGEKURISIYE KHILAFAT KI JO INKA NASBUL AIN THA. AUR RASOOL-E-MAQBOOL (SWAS) K DAFAN TAK ME AANA GAWARA NA KIYA. KAHAN GAYEE WO MOHABBATKAHAN GAYE WO DAWEHUZOOR (SWAS) KI AANKH BAND HUI AUR PHIR GAYE (PHIRE HUE TO PHELE BHI THA MAGAR AB SUBOOT BHI MIL GAYA) SHAYAD ISILIYE MAULANA ROME (jin par shia hone ka shak bhi nahi kiya jasakta) NE FARMAYA

CHOON SAHABA HUBBE DUNYA DASHTAND
MUSTAFA RA BEKAFAN BAGUSHAZTAND
(AE SAHABA TUMHE KYA HOGAYA K DUNIYA KI MOHABBAT
ME TUMNE MUSTAFA (SWAS) KO BEKAFAN CHHOR DIYA)

LAANAT KHUDA KI USPAR JO MUSTAFA (SWAS) K OOPER DUNIYA KO TARJEEH DE. AB TO SHAYAD APKO JAWAB MILGAYA HOGA. MAGAR AAP LOG LAKH JAWAB DEDO MAGAR MURGHE KI WOHI EK TAANG RAKHTE HAIN.

JAB DAFAN HUE SARAWAR-E-KAUNAIN (SWAS) KAHAN THE
BU BAKR, UMAR, HAZRATE USMAN WAGHERA


(iii) Siddiqui sahib khuda k liye batayen(1)..Omar ne Rasoollullah ki zindagi me shak kiya unke sacche Rasool hone parSulah Hudabya ke waqeat gawah hainKya yahan bhi reference ki zarurat hai.agar kahen to reference bhi diya jasakta hai,
ACHA pura waqia suna do plzzzz kay sulha hudaibiaya kiun hui thi????kab hui thi???bait kiun hui???i wil be thankful to you.......

MUJHE YAHAN APNI KNOWLEDGE KA IMTEHAN NAHI DENA  K MAIN APKO WAQEAT SUNAUN. KHUD PARHELEN. APKI KITABO ME HAIWO TOR MAROR KAR HI KYUN NA HO MAAERUFUL QURAN MAULANA JALLANDHARI KA QURAN HAI USME SURA FATAH KI TAFSEER ME THORA BOHUT DIYA HAI. PHIR SAFAI BHI DI  HAI K UMAR NE KAHA TO THA K MUJHE AAJ BOHUT BARA SHAK HUA HUZOOR ME MAGAR BAAD ME ITNE ROZE RAKHE ITNI NAMAZEN PARHIN, ITNI KHAIRAT KI K KAFFARA ADA HOJAYE..DETE RAHEN AB KAFFARA KHUDA KA RASOOL (SWAS) TO UNSE NARAZ HI GAYA. YAHAN TAK K AKHRI WAQT ME APNI BAZAMSE BHI NIKAL DIYA.

(2) Huzoor k akheri lamhat me unki khuli nafarmani ki Likhne k liye qalam dawat na dekar Jab k quran kahta hai k Huzoor kuch bolte hi nahi magar wo jo Allah chahta hai.kya Huzoor par Bimari ghalba pa sakti hai?, yahan tak hua k Huzoor (SWAS) ne apni bazm se bahar nikaljane ka hokum sadir farmadiya (dekhiye Sahi Bukhari);
is point pay oooper wazahat talab ki hay main nay.....


(3) Huzoor k baad unki shehzadi par zulm kiya, yahan tak k unke ghar par aag lagayee, darwaza giraya jis se unka baccha shaheed hua aur kuch hi din baad wo shahadat pa gayeen. Aap [Fatema Zehra (SA)] ne apne akhri lamhat tak Abu bakar, Omar se kalam nahi kiyaJab k Sarware Kaunain (SWAS) ki hadith Bukhari aur tamam sahihai sitta me muttaddid jagah bhari pari haink Fatema mere jism ka hissa hai..jisne isko sataya usne mujhe sataya..Jisne use azeeyat di usne mujhe azeeyat di Fatema ki narazgi meri Narazgi hai, Quran me hai Sura Ahzab (Para 21, ayat 57) jo Allah aur uske Rasool (SWAS) ko azeeyat (takleef) dete hain unpar dunya aur akherat me laanatIn rewayat ko aap kehte hain jhooti hainJhooti riwayat aur Sahi bukhari me? Phir in kitabo ki authenticity hi kya hai. Kya aap ab bhi aap kahenge k Sahaba-e-kiram se ghalti ka imkan nahighalat baat ka unse tasawwur bhi nahi kiya ja sakta.Sahi Bukhari aur sahi muslim likhi hi gayeen hain mangharat hadiso k liye aur in me beshumar ikhtelafat wali hadiseen hai n k Ahle Bayat e- Rasool ki fazeelat ghatai jasake aur Sahaba ki fazeelat ko barhya ja sakeHuzoor k sadiyon baad ye kitaben ghari gayeen hain
Ap ke charon Imam Sarware Kaunain (SWAS) k sadiyon baad aaye.. Sab ne alag alag shariyat qayam ki.. Apni apni pasandeeda baton ko Deen bataya. Jo ek k nazdeek haram hai wo doosre k nazdeed jayaz aur Halal. Jo ek Halal batata hai wo doosra haram batata hai.. Had yeh hai k ek hi Imam k manne wale do giroho me zameen asman ka farq hai.. ek doosre k jani dushman haiBarelvi aur deobandi dono Hanafi hain magar ek doosre ko kafir kehte hainKyon k dono k imam Bu haneefa hainJo Imam the magar unke Larki (Daughter) unse zyada aqal rakhti thee Isiliye unhe Abu Haneefa kahte hainKahan tak apki kamiyan ginwayenKhud hi ghaur kar lenchahen to mujh se alag se contact KarenMera e-mail add: silver_princeyob87@yahoo.co.in hai.

ACHA g....Asal main tumhara yeh aqeeda ABU BAKR O UMER kay khilaaf nahin...ALI BIN ABI TALIB kay khilaaf hay....kiun kay tumhain to apni behn bewi aur maan pay boht ghairat aati hay kay koi maili aankh say unhen nahin daik sakta,,,,poori kaainaat main sirf ALI RA tumain milay kay jin ki bewi ki itni toheen ki gayee aur woh tamasha daikhtay rahay.....aur ghairat say majbooor ho kar zulfiqaar nahin nikaaali....afsos....tumhain stories aur myths kay zareeay pagal bana rakha hay zakiron nay aur milllions of rupppes they earning from you by majalis........
USE UR BRAIN?????

YEH STORY NAHI HAI. YEH HAR MUSALMAN K LIYE GHAIRAT KA SWAL HAI. FATEMA ZEHRA SIRF ALI KI BIWI NAHI HUZOOR KI SAHABZADI BHI HAIN(APNI SIHAI SITTA KHOL KAR PARH LO KYA MUQAM HAI SHEHZADI (SA) KAKISKE EHTRAM ME SARWARE KAUNAIN KHARE HOJATE THEAPNI JAGAH UNHE BITHA TE THESAHI MUSLIM KI HADITH HAI AYESHA SE K HUZOOR (SWAS) MARDO ME SABSE ZYADA ALI (AS) KO AUR AURTON ME SAB SE ZYADA FATEMA (SA) KO CHAHTE THE. RAHA JAHAN TAK SAWAL ALI (AS) KE TALWAR NIKALNE KA HAI..YAQEENAN ALI (AS) K SAMNE YE THE KYAINHONE TO KISI KAFIR KA KABHI MUQABLA NAHI KIYA ALI (AS) K SAMNE KYA JAM SAKTE THEMAGAR ALI (AS) KA WADA THA HUZOOR (SWAS) SE K UNKE BAAD APNE MAFAD ME TALWAR NA UTHANA..YEHI TUM LOG KAHTE K ALI (AS) NE MAL-E-DUNYA KI HAWAS ME JUNG KI (NAUZUBILLAH).  PHIR BHI JUNGE HUIN.  AYESHA NE JUNG LARIMUAWIYYAH NE JUNG LARIJISMEN NA MALOOM KITNE SAHABA RASOOL SHAHEED HUE. HUZOOR NE  AMMAR-E-YASSIR K LIYE PESHANGOI KI THI K TUJHE EK BAGHI GIROH QATAL KAREGA AUR WO JUNGE SIFFIN ME MUAWIYYAH K HATHON SHAHEED HUEMAGAR TUMLOGON KO MUAWIYYAH AUR AYESHA KI SIRF KHATA-E-IJTEHADI NAZAR AATI HAI.MAGAR BAQAUL-E-GHALIB

YEH IJTEHAD AJAB HAI K EK DUSHMAN DEEN
ALI (AS) SE JUNG KARE AUR KHATA KAHEN ISKO

HAMARE ZAKREEN NAHI TUMHARE WO OLEMA BHONKTE HAIN JINHE KAPRE PAHANNE KA TAMEEZ BHI NAHI HOTASHALWAREN YA PAYJAME CHHOTE BHAI KA PEHENTE HAIN AUR KURTE YA QAMEEZEN BARE BHAI KI ISLIYE DONO BHADDE AUR BHONDE NAZAR AATE HAIN.. ULTI SEEDHI JHOOTI, JHOOTI AUR SIRF JHOOTI HADITHEN SAHABA K LIYE GHARH GHARH KAR LATE HAIN..MASLAN HADITH MERE SAHABA MISL SITARON KE HAIN JISKA BHI ITTEBBA KAROGE HIDYAT PAJAOGE..JABKE HIDYAT WALA SITARA SIRF EK HOTA HAI..HAR SITARE KA ITTEBA KAR KE HIDYAT NAHI MILTIWO JO RASTA BHATAK JANE WALON KI DIRECTION BATATA HAI WO EK HI SITARA HAIAUR PHIR KIS SAHABA KI ITTEBBA KARENKHALID BIN WALID KI JISNE SAHABIYE RASOOL KO QATAL KIYA UNKI BIWI SE USI RAAT ZINA KIYA?UMAR KI JISNE SHEHZADIYE KAUNAIN KE DAR PAR AAG LAGAYEE?
AYESHA KI JISNE NANGE HO KAR GUSUL KAR K DIKHAYA (Sahi bukhari)? ALI (AS) SE JUNG LARI? MOAWIYYA KI JISNE ALI (as) SE JUNG LAR KAR AMMAR-E-YASSIR (RA) KO SHAHEED KIYA?USMAN KI JISNE BAWAJOOD SARWAR-E-KAUNAIN (SAWS) KI KHULI HIDAYAT K MARWAN (MALOON) KO WAPAS BULAKAR OHDE DIYE? TAMAM BAITUL MAL APNE AZIZ-O-AQRABA ME TAQSEEM KARDIYA?  SARE BARE BARE OHDE APNE RISHTEDARON KO DEDIYE?

TUMHARE LIYE MUNASIB HAI YEH SHER

DAULAT K HUM PUJARI DUSHMAN HAIN MUSTAFA K
SUNNI HAIN AUR MUHIB HAIN HAR DUSHMANE ALE ABA K


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Allah Kay Ham Mujahid Hain GHulAM Mustufa(SAW) KAY
Sahaba(RA) kay sab sipahee baitay hain Ayesha(RA) kay
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Ho jiss seeney may Bughz Paighmber SAW aur Sahaba RA ka..
Hay yahi behtar kay....... woh seena sada pit... taaaa ... Rahayy


  


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Posted 30 December 2009 - 05:29 PM

View Posthaiderzaidi, on Dec 29 2009, 08:27 PM, said:

salam,
Brother mai aap se mafi mangana chahunga ager aapko bura laga kyoki shiat mai kisi k religion k baare mai kehna sahi nahi mante zehra sis ne lakin jo ayat paish kiya hain vo lakin authentic hain rahi baat in hadeeso ki bhai humare paas hadise hain inke khilaf aapke he bohot badhe alim usko sahih mante the mai hadees paste nahi kerna chahta lakin vo sahih hain. Ab ye aapko decide kerna hai k aap rasoolallah(sawa) k sath hain ya sahaba k bas itni si baat hai aur ager aapko bura laga ho zahra sis ki baat ka to mai mafi mangta hu.


your brother
KYA BAKWAS HAI HAIDER. UNSE MAAFI MAANG RAHE HO JINHONE TUMAHRE KHOON KA GARA BANAKAR DIWARON ME CHUNWADIYA. JINHONE FATEMA ZEHRA K GHAR ME AAG LAGAYEE. JINHONE QATAL-E-ALI PAR SHADYANE BAJAYE. SHAHADAT-E-HUSAIN (AS) PAR AAJ BHI JASHN MANANE K LIYE BECHAIN HAIN. US DIN SHADIYAN KARTE HAIN. EID MANATE HAIN. MASJIDON ME BOMB RAKH KAR HAZARON BEGUNAHON KO SHAHEED KAR CHUKE. YEH NAMARD AAJ TAK KABHI SAMNE AAKAR NAHI LARE. KAMZOR AUR MAJBOORON PAR WAR KARTE HAIN WHO BHI PEECCHE SE . INHONE ISLAM KA CHEHRA DAGHDAR KARDIYA. POORI DUNYA ME MUSALMAN DAHSHAT GARD KAHLATA HAI INHI KI KALI KARTOOTON KI WAJAH SE. OSAMA BIN LADIN, BAITULLAH MAHSOOD INHI K JIGAR K TUKRE HAIN. ISRAEL AUR AMERICA INHE KABHI DUSHMAN NAZAR NAHI AAYE. JAB BHI BHONKE IRAN K LIYE BHONKE. SALMAN RASHDI AJTAK INHE DUSHMAN-E-RASOOL DIKHAYEE NA DIYA. CYCLE, TELEPHONE K KHILAF FATWE, ALLAMA IQBAL K KHILAF FATWE. MAGAR SALMAN RASHDI K KHILAF EK FATWA NAHI. TUM INSE MAAFI MAT MANGO. KAL YEH MAHSHAR ME APNE HAATH APNE HI DATON SE KATH RAHE HONGE AUR INHE KOI BACHANE WALA NA HOGA. BESHARM QAUM KO DIKHAYEE NAHI DETA K EK AKELA MULLA NASRULLAH KIS TARAH ISRAEL KO JAHANNUM ME JHONK CHUKA...YEH HOTA HAI KHUDA AUR RASOOL PER IMAN....





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