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Beware of Jawaid Ahmed Ghamdi
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Posted 05 May 2005 - 10:45 AM
Assalamualikum
I want to draw the attention of all my brothers and sisters about the fitna of javed ghamidi from lahore,whose false aqeedah and principles are being projected by our electronic media especially the geo tv.He is propogating the western values under the cover of Islam.his main false points are as follows
1)The hadith is not a WAHI like QURAN.
2)Hadith cannot be used for the translation and explanation of Quran.
3)The Hadiths which are against Quran should be rejected(but it is impossible that Hadith is against QURAN)
4)Beard is not a sunnah it was just a tradation of arabs and same is the case with MUSWAK.
5)Jihad is over after the PROPHET(PBUH)
6)The kashmir jihad is wrong.
7)America's attack on afghanistan was true.
8)Music is allowed in Islam.
9)Covering of face is not mandatory in hijab.
10)He denies the azab-e-qabar.
11)He rejects the coming of Hazrat ESSA (AH)
12)He promotes mingling of men and women.
13)He says that Bait ul Maqdas should be handed over to JEWS.
Mod Note: added "New Fitna" to the title
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Posted 05 May 2005 - 12:33 PM
And when it is said unto them (Kuffars): Believe as these people [Sahabah (r.a)] believe; they say: "Shall we believe as these foolish believe? Alert! they (Kuffars) are the foolish but they know not. (Surah Al-Baqarah, Ayah#13)
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Posted 05 May 2005 - 01:15 PM
Brother Jhangvi... Salam o Alaikm..
chek out his site
http://www.ghamidi.org
his official site
understanding-islam.org
Moiz Amjad
Founder of Understanding-islam.org
according to Moiz amjad :
Hand shaking between male n female is allow in Islam coz it is a part of Culture .. but i think he forget that the relegion is much superior than Culture...
Jawaid Ahmed Ghamdi Sahab :
one of the most Liberal famous scholor of Pakistan
according to Jawaid Ahmed Ghamdi sahab
1- Music is permisible in Islam n there is no prohibitation in it..
2- Having a beard is not necessary in Islam / its just like an optional act
Hischam Khan
Senior Modertor wid Ronnie Hassan
Music is permissible in islam.. coz Nabi pbuh never prohibited this n all those hadith which shows that music is prohibited in islam couldnt be authentic / or sahaba could be misunderstood
chek out ma discussion thread wid Hischam khan
http://forums.unders...wthread.php?t=4
<link edited - same as above>
u can also find their (Moiz Amjad + Ghamdi) articles regarding music , beared and hand shaking @ http://understanding-islam.org
Their Recent answer regarding Beard
http://urdu.understa...uestion&qid=345
This post has been edited by perplexed: 05 May 2005 - 06:48 PM
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Posted 05 May 2005 - 10:20 PM
Dear brother ashhad4u and Muslims brother and sisters, Jazakallah for that great information and updates.... but brothers and sisters do u think that its enough by posting it here or some action is required.... maybe write to the Religious Ministry (althouh) they are aware of it.... with some fatawa's from different Ulema's and forward this news to the govt. of other Islamic Organizations and request the Ulema of Pakistan to follow up as well...so that it could be stopped or the effected of his saying maybe minimize....Jazakallah and please do comment....
Abu Bakr Siddique(r.a.a),Umer Farooq (r.a.a),Usman bin Affaan (r.a.a), Ali-Yul-Murtazaa (r.a.a).....the Best Frenz of Prophet Muhammad (phub)...
Kaatibay-Wahi Hazrat Ameer-e-Moavia (r.a.a) ....Zindabaad
Hadith: "Really frustrated will be the person who follows his own desires (in violation of Allah's commands) yet entertains the wishful thinking that Allah will forgive him." (Tirmidhi)
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Posted 06 May 2005 - 09:52 AM
Brother MAvia....
:)..... aray janab.. kya bolain inkay baray mein.... Geo kay har Islamic program mein yeh sahab betihay hoay hootay hain.... deen ki batain batanay kay liya.... agar inki history ko thooora say mazzed zooom karain to yeh maududi sahab kay sathion mein say thay.... but kisi jaga par inka ya shayad inkay jo baray thay unka Maududi say ikhtilaf hogaya tha... to inhonay apna aalag maktaba e fiqr banaya ...
bas allah swt aisay fitnoon say sab ko bachaye....
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Posted 06 May 2005 - 12:06 PM
JAZAKALLAH YA AKHI ashhad4u
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Posted 07 May 2005 - 05:05 PM
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Posted 10 May 2005 - 01:17 PM
Obviously bro..
Their (al-mawrid) beleifs are much similar as Parvaizee...
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Posted 10 October 2005 - 03:41 AM
Dear Brother Ashhad,
Bhai sab say pahli baat to yah k Deen k maamlay main kisi bhi musalman bhai k baray main Husn e Zan rakhnay ka hukam hay.doosri baat yah k aap nay bilkul sahi fermaya k javaid ghamdi sahab ki bohat si baton say ikhtalaf kia ja sakta hay aur jinn main say kuch aap nay point out bhi ki hain.mujhay unn say khud ikhtalaf hay aur ikhtalaf bilkul aooli aur dalail per mabni hay.mager iss sab k bawajood aap ki chand batain asi hain jinn main shayad aap say samajhnay main ghalti hoi hay javaid sahab ko main 3 years say sun raha hoon (Danish Sara jahan unn k lecturesvideo per recorded her friday ko chaltay hain) sirf is liay k meray nazdeek kisi say ikhtalaf ka matlab yah nahi k uss ki traf say ankhain band ker lo balkay unhain sun ker ikhtalaf e ray ho tpo woh ziada sahi tareeka hay.
1- Javaid sahab nay kabhi yah nahi kaha k Hadith QURAN ki translation nahi kerti unn ka muakkif yah hay k baad k adwaar main munkareen nay fitna phalanay ki khatir jhooti Ahaddeth hazoor pak (saww) say mansoob ker din aur wohi ahadees baad ko hamari books main bhi aa gain(Ulmaye Ahnaf iss baat ko tasleem iss trah to kertay hain k asa hua tha mager unn ka kahna hay k Hadeeth ki saha sitta main likhi gai ahadeeth durust hain) isi waja say baaz aukat QURAN main aik hukam hay to hadith main uss say mukhtalif baat aa gai to sabit ho gaya k yah izafat wali jhooti hadith thi jo nabi pak say mansoob ker di gai aur main nay unhain suna hay unhon nay kai ahadeeth k Quran K sath hawalay bhi diay hain.
2- Darhi (Beard) ko woh insan ki Fitrat( Nature) batatay hain aur kahtay hain k achi baat hay rakhni chahiyyah kion k yah merd ki fitrat hay aur ager meri aa jati to main bhi rakh lata mager apni persnality k hisaaab say choti bari rakhi jaa sakti hay.
3- JIHAD k baray main javaid sahab nay kabhi yah nahi kaha k woh Hazoor PAK saww k baad khatam ho gaya balkay unn ka muakkif yah hay k JIHAD sirf aik hakoomat e waqt hi ker sakti hay chotay chotay group nahi daleel woh yah datay hain k Allah k nambi nay bhi Madeenay per hukmarani k baad hi jihad kia pahlay nahi kia.
4-Kashmir kay jihad k tareekay ko woh ghalat batatay hain kashmir jihad ko nahi.
5-USA ka afghanistan k ooper attack ki unhon nay kabhi himayat nahi ki mager yah zaroor kahtay hain k unn k sath yahi hona tha kabhi na kabhi kion kk woh jasa islam phala rahay thay uss k baad yahi mumkin tha.mager unn ki ray yahan ghalat hay.
8-music k baray main bhi javaid sahab ko sakht ghalti lagi hay.kion k music say mutaalik sari riwayaat na sirf durust hain balkay Ulma ka Ijma hay iss per.
9-AAP KI BAKI BATAIN JO AAP NAY COTE KI HAIN SAHI HAIN UNN KA WOHI MUAKKIF HAY JO AAP NAY LIKHA HAY.(Main nay jo bhi likha hay yah javaid sahab ka muakkif hay na k mera phir bhi koi baat nagawar guzray to asooli ho to dalail hazir hain zaato ho to meri traf say maazrat qabool karain. <<<ALLAH HAFIZ>>>
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Posted 24 November 2005 - 10:22 PM
In Quran Allah say to the nearest meaning:
For he (Muhammed) commands them
What is just and forbids them
What is Evil; he (Muhammed) allows
Them as lawful what is good
(And pure) and prohibits them
From what is bad (and impure) 07:157
We slaughter animal in accordance with teaching of Quran and sunnah, we eat fish which is dead by the time we buy it or after we catch it and eat it, so according to your Javaid we are eating harram? Do you know why we accept dead fish as Halal, why do you not get the ruling from Javaid and see what he say.
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Posted 18 April 2006 - 05:54 PM
Salam...
ashad bhai muj ko referance dain muj ko zarorat ha ek or fourm pr...
kin books ma unhoney ya batain likhee hain...
wasalam..
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Posted 22 May 2006 - 07:25 PM
H.z Javed Gamedi Lanatullah Alhi , H.z Baber CHodhery Lanatullah Alhi . and H.z Mododi Lanatullah Alhi is not a new Fitna for ISlam fitnas will keep arising in islamic countries till the day of recreation
If all respected ulems gather and spit one time they will all dip in it
EyE-----FoR------An------EyE
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Posted 23 June 2006 - 11:43 PM
 ashhad4u, on May 5 2005, 10:45 AM, said:
4)Beard is not a sunnah it was just a tradation of arabs and same is the case with MUSWAK.
5)Jihad is over after the PROPHET(PBUH)
7)America's attack on afghanistan was true.
8)Music is allowed in Islam.
10)He denies the azab-e-qabar.
12)He promotes mingling of men and women.
13)He says that Bait ul Maqdas should be handed over to JEWS. [/b]
Mod Note: added "New Fitna" to the title
Whoever says the above is the pet dog of Kuffar.
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Posted 22 August 2006 - 01:06 PM
Dear Imkhaniq, this is just my short reply to you after reading your views about Ghamdi Sahib, even though i m not aware of him as you do but still you put some wrong opinions about him... -- about DARI you said he believe that "dari insaan ki fitrat hai and this is his opinion he didn't give any hawala of Hadith or any authentic book as it is not something from Quran. ABout DARI is totally his believing so again he is wrong. Islam is not what he or you or I believe it had been told and written and we all as muslim must have to believe it. -- Jihad Hukumate Waqt ki zimmadari hai, aur agar Hukumate waqt ki LIBERAL or Western influence ho to Jihad kaun karaiga. Humare Sahabah ne Rasool Allah (PBUH) ne jo kuch kiya Islam pehlane ke liye to woh kiya ghalat tha? Agar Hukumate Waqt na ahal ho to yeh har4 musalman ki zimmadari hai Jihad karna ya phir Jihad ke liye kissi ki madad karna ya atleast Jihad ko favor karna -- Again about Kashmir jab Govt. hi na ahal ho to Islami Jamatain hi iss ko pura karain gi... ghar per baith kar batain karna aasaan hai... practical main karna mushkil hai...yeh to aap aur hun un kashmirion se poochain ke un per kiya guzar rahi hai... again u said he think the jihad ka tareeqa sahih nahin...This is again his own opinion... he again didn't give any hawala. -- And if he thinks that whatever happened in Afghanistan is all deserving just because they are spreading wrong Islam.... than i m sorry to say that he(ghamdi sahib) is the biggest FITNA -- And if you believe that the last points mentioned by Mr. Arshad was also wrong believeing og him than he is again the biggest FITNA of this time....and still you listen him will really make you also in trouble...Beware Allah hum sab ko FITNO aur Shaitan ke shar se baccha... This is not personal my friend but do think more about Mr. Ghamdi. Wasalaam Imran 
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Posted 22 August 2006 - 01:34 PM
 Akhi imraan ahmed jazakallah khayr , i wish also that you would participate refuting the shia aswell. You know urdu and this would be good in exposing shia from their books in urdu etc.
'One of the signs of Ahl us-sunnah is their love for the aa'immah of the Sunnah, the scholars, its friends and allies. They show enmity to the leaders of bid'ah, who are calling to hell and leading its followers to the place of failure. Indeed Allah, the One Free from all deficiencies, has adorned the hearts of ahl us-sunnah and englightened them by instilling a love for the scholars as a favour from Him, The Most Majestic' Aboo Uthmaan ismaa'eel ibn Abdur Rahmaan as-Saaboonee(d449) in his work (The Creed of the people of Hadeeth)
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Posted 22 September 2006 - 03:53 PM
Assalamu Alaykum,
I went through this thread and a question keeps popping up in my mind.
How is anyone supposed to know what is the truth and what is not? Is it that anything that is against our beliefs, we call it 'fitna'? Or is there another criteria?
Quran has very clearly required that we do not reject someone just because it is different from our beliefs.
I write this because I got a chance to get a book of Javed Ahmed Ghamidi. I did not have a very positive impression of him (and I am not saying whether I have now or not), but the book was full of references from Hadith on how to offer prayers, roza, zakat etc. The book's title is 'Qanoon-e-Ibadat'.
I am not saying I support Ghamidi or I don't, but what I am surprise at is that someone wrote the original thread and everyone believed him, may be after going to a few websites.
Wouldn't it be better if everyone studied his works before deciding whether it makes sense or not?
How bad is it that we just label everyone who is different as 'Kuffar' or something along that line, even though I have heard that the Prophet (pbuh) said that if one calls another Kaafir, then one of them really is! So that means if he is not a Kaafir, then the person who calls him could be!
Anyway, this is not to offend anyone or not declaring anything good or bad about Ghamidi. But this is to question how to know what is right and what is not?
Your brother in faith,
truth_seeker
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Posted 22 September 2006 - 07:24 PM
ghamidi also rejects death 4 apostacy. Ghamidi on apostacy CODE http://hangingodes.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_hangingodes_archive.html Tuesday, May 23, 2006 QUOTE Whosoever changes his religion, kill him!
In a recently televised discussion, Javed Ahmed Ghamidi has clarified that his reliance on the principle of prescription of death penalty on only two occassions (al-Maidah 5:32) does not in anyway weakens any of the authentic ahadith ascribed to the Prophet(s). For instance this one narrated by Ikramah® and recorded by Bukhariy in his collection
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his (Islamic) religion, then kill him.'
(Sahih Bukhariy, Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57)
The above hadith and few others are generally understood by classical Muslim scholars as adding a third instance invoking capital punishment (i.e killing apostates). Ghamidi opines that all of these should be revisited in the light of principles established in Quran rather than adding something explicitly to the body of these principles.
He asserted that there's no doubt in the authenticity of the ahadith in question per se.
However the application of these traditions or deductions from them are redundant in modern times even if there's an ideal Islamic state. No one except Prophet(s) can claim the removal of all the excuse in relation to accepting the revealed truth of God Almighty, a concept which is called Itmaam al-Hujjah and therefore no one except him could implement death
penalty for apostates. As he is no more amongst us, the ultimate decision would be revealed by God on the day of judgement and should be postponed as such. This right cannot be claimed by anybody after Prophet no matter how much effort is put in to present the true message of Islam. the questions on beard below were answered by one his colleagues shehzad saleem who is also quite active in his(javed's) official website CODE www.al-mawrid.org CODE http://www.renaissance.com.pk/mayq204.htm CODE http://www.renaissance.com.pk/mayq205.htm here is the answer 4 first question. QUOTE Question: I have been wondering for a long time whether it is compulsory in Islam for men to keep beards?
Answer: Keeping a beard is a desirable act for men. The Prophets of Allah kept beards and expressed their liking for it since this is from among the norms of human nature. It is an expression of manliness and as such a sign which distinguishes men from women. However, the Prophet (sws) did not regard keeping beards as part of the Islamic Shari‘ah. Also, it is not compulsory for men to keep a beard and if a person shaves his beard he may be deprived of some reward, but he is unlikely to be punished on this. This view also conforms to the Shafite jurists(1) and to many scholars of Hadith including Qadi ‘Ayad(2) who regard shaving the beard as makruh(3) (undesirable).
1. See Dr Wahbah al-Zahili, Fiqhu’l-Islami wa Adillatuhu, vol. 1, p. 308.
2. See Nawawi, Sharah Sahih Muslim, 2nd ed., vol. 3, [Beirut: Daru’l-Ahya al-Turath al-‘Arabi, 1972], p. 151.
3. While defining makruh Abu Zuhrah says:
The jurists say that the perpetrator of makruh is not to be condemned while a person who desists from it is praiseworthy. (Abu Zuhrah, Usulu’l-Fiqh, 1st ed., [Cairo: Daru’l-Fikr al-‘Arabi, 1958], p. 41). now let us c what javed's official website al-mawrid.org says about music QUOTE We believe that Islamic Shari’ah has not prohibited dance, music, singing and playing instruments. The Holy Qur’an does not render these things as haraam. It has not discussed these issues at all. However the Prophet (pbuh) has addressed these issues in some particular context. Some of the narratives, most of which are reliable, render music etc as allowable activities. Some others, mostly lesser in degree of authenticity, however prohibit these. 4 more check CODE http://www.renaissance.com.pk/octq720.htm CODE http://www.al-mawrid.org/Content/ViewReaderQuestion.aspx?questionId=504 2 know about the correct ruling on beard check CODE www.memphisdawah.com/PDF/beard.pdf beard between salaf n khalaf. correct ruling on music: here is a whole book on this issue. CODE http://members.tripod.com/oum_abdulaziz/music.html n this hadeeth is enough 2 prove music as haraam: QUOTE sahih bukhari Volume 7, Book 69, Number 494v:
Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari:
that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection." the fitna of this group is growing n it should b checked.
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Posted 26 September 2006 - 02:43 PM
Wa aleikum us salaam, Brother, either we're Alims or we are not. I am not. If you are an Alim, then you have the right to believe and you probably know what you are saying. You can ignore my message then. If you are not then here is what I have to say. What you are saying is that you know how to interpret these Ahadith. If you are not an Alim, then I think you cannot. But if you can interpret hadith, then again you can skip what I am saying. If you cannot read these ahadith (and remember, very much like Quran, there is a huge science of interpretation of hadith) in Arabic and understand them and interpret them with all the knowledge, then I think we should not judge anyone based on our apparent reading of the hadith. Now, there are many ulemas that believe that beard is wajib. At the same time, we, primarily because we do not have the art of interpretation of hadith, cannot doubt anyone's (and not only Ghamidi and company's, but ANYONE's) intentions. I was confused about this post initially, but then they give the references. Look at the beard Q/A that you posted, there are references to many other scholars, and Mr. Shehzad Saleem has said that Sha'fi scholars also hold this opinion. Then why do we have to label them as 'fitna'? If there are other scholars sharing the same opinion and many of them who have passed before, and many of them belonging to a Sunni school of thought that is so prevalent in Islam? Please do not take me wrong. I am in no way implying that we should believe in them, or I am not supporting them, before someone calls me 'fitna'! My whole question is that, is it that we have decided something is wrong and they have different opinions? Even if some Sha'fi scholars believe that? The links that you have provided as correct rulings are also some scholars opinions and it is definitely possible that they may be correct. It is also possible that Sha'fi rulings may be correct. But if we label someone 'fitna' then we have closed doors to learn from them even if they happen to have correct understanding! I am not debating these individual issues, I am talking more about the approach we take towards learning Islam. If someone is a scholar, then of course he's out of bound of our discussion. But if we're just average Muslims, should we believe in what we were taught at home, school or by the scholar who we got to know first? After all, there are sha'fi scholars who also read through all Hadith and decided that beard is still not wajib! And let me also point out that in Muwatta, Imam Malik has clearly refuted Ahadith too! In fact, Imam Bukhari and Muslim did only this, they just refuted Ahadith when those got to them! I am new to this forum, and this happened to be one of the first discussions. I do not want to create a rift here, so let me apologize if I am breaking any rules, and please let me know if that is the case. I will like to abide by those rules. So far, I am trying to follow what I have read.
This post has been edited by truth_seeker: 26 September 2006 - 02:47 PM
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Posted 26 September 2006 - 05:29 PM
Actually I am questioning the fact that Ghamidi has been labelled as 'Munkir-e-Hadith'. My original post is intended to highlight that Ghamidi and his pupils do not reject Hadith. They may at best differ on some of the interpretations or validity of the Hadith. This is inline with sunni Islam. As I mentioned, Imam Malik rejected Hadith. Similarly, Abu Hanifah rejected Hadith when it contradicted with what is called as 'Sunnah' (which Imam Malik phrased as 'practice of the people of Medinah' in his Muwatta.)
Best Wishes,
truth_seeker
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Posted 27 September 2006 - 12:50 AM
brother truth seeker i m not a scholar, n that is the reason i hav provided scholarly articles on the issue of beard n music, n the one hadeeth that i hav quoted from sahih bukhari regarding music is also one of several hadeeth from the book that i hav provided in my previous post. as regading hadeeth n sunnah then what u r doin is goin in2 the lingistis definition of these words. where hadeeth means nothing but a saying which can b of anyone, which is bound 2 b erroneous, but when v r talking of hadeeth of  then that can't b refuted. n that is the reason imaam malik  said "Everyone after the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) will have his sayings accepted and rejected - not so the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam)." This is well known among the later scholars to be a saying of Maalik. Ibn 'Abdul Haadi declared it saheeh in Irshaad as- Saalik (227/1); Ibn 'Abdul Barr in Jaami' Bayaan al-'Ilm (2/91) & Ibn Hazm in Usool al-Ahkaam (6/145, 179) had narrated it as a saying of Al-Hakam ibn 'Utaibah and Mujaahid; Taqi ad- Deen as-Subki gave it, delighted with its beauty, in al- Fataawaa (1/148) as a saying of Ibn 'Abbaas, and then said: "These words were originally those of Ibn 'Abbaas and Mujaahid, from whom Maalik (radi Allaahu 'anhu) took them, and he became famous for them." It seems that Imaam Ahmad then took this saying from them, as Abu Daawood has said in Masaa'il of Imaam Ahmad (p. 276): "I heard Ahmad say, 'Everyone is accepted and rejected in his opinions, with the exception of the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam)'." JAZAAKALLAAH KHAIR bother. n welcome aboard.
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