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[sasha]

AOA
i am a simple Muslim who by the grace of Allah developed love for my religion after being confused in dajjali fitnas(the modernism n the likes). coming to islam is easy but now different maslaks declaring others out of islam is so confusing. i developed deep reverence for Molana Modudi,( esp his Tafheem u l Kuran) n I liked his ideas which want us to get out of poems n praises of Islam n actually look at ourselves n serve it practically. now here s another story going on among our brothers, then what maslak to choose?whom to trust? plz give some brief idea (neutral n unbiased) its so confusing

Also this anti Shia stance might b true but don't u think v all need to unite against our enemies as our enemy is not concerned with our firka but our main source(ISlam)

regards

[Efendi]

Salam alaikum.

Welcome to this forum. I kindly ask you to NOT post complete post in colour.
Uniting against enemies it's a very good thing. Actually Muslims should be as one body. Question is who should be consider Muslim? And who can be our friend against enemy. There is a great principle in Islam, al-wara wal bara. We can't united with people who daily and nightly are working for spreading lies against Islam. Also during the history we were witness when shias united with mongols and other pagans against Islam and Muslims.
The greatest principle of unity is sincerity. We can't be sure in shia sincerity, since they were almost commanded to make taqiyah.

[Fatah-Momin]

Asalaam Alaikum

Sister It is heartening to know that you are interested in real Islam as delivered by RasoolAllah[saw], before reading any scholar it is important to investigate the qualification of the person, especially the contemporary scholars like Maudodi. To better Understand the text of his book Tehfeem-ul-Quran it is important to evaluate it against the Islamic beliefs and teachings of RasoolAllah[saw], blessed Companions[ra] and classical scholars[rta].

As for unity of Ummah is concerned, any unity to succeed it has to be based of sincerity, as brother Effendi has pointed out any sect based on lies and fabrication can not be sincere to true cause of Islam as history reveals to us. Any mistake at this time in history will cost us very dearly. What Ummah is going trough right now, exhibit desperation on part of forces who are against Islam. The leadership of Renaissance of Islam is in the hands of MUslims, who are been termed by these forces as terrorists.

This Crusade against Islam is costing the Christians and their helpers very dearly, their economies are in shatters and verging on brink of bankruptcy, USA has 13 trillion $ debt.

[khan786]

sasha, on 05 June 2010 - 03:51 PM, said:

AOA
i am a simple Muslim who by the grace of Allah developed love for my religion after being confused in dajjali fitnas(the modernism n the likes). coming to islam is easy but now different maslaks declaring others out of islam is so confusing. i developed deep reverence for Molana Modudi,( esp his Tafheem u l Kuran) n I liked his ideas which want us to get out of poems n praises of Islam n actually look at ourselves n serve it practically. now here s another story going on among our brothers, then what maslak to choose?whom to trust? plz give some brief idea (neutral n unbiased) its so confusing

Also this anti Shia stance might b true but don't u think v all need to unite against our enemies as our enemy is not concerned with our firka but our main source(ISlam)

regards

Salam Allekum,  i am an Imami (shia) , but i am a muslim before being shia and i want to tell you that the whole muslim ummah is in decline : be it shia or sunnis and one of the signs of its decline is the schism tearing the ummah apart. we the shia are not perfect and the shia doctrine was infected with many aspects of innovation and exaggeration but the good shia are still out there and they are millions who are truthful and loyal to the message of islam.
also sunnis are in even greater decline : low morals , schism even amongst themselves , innovations etc ..

now unity between us and sunnis is a good thing if by sunnis you mean people who are sincere in following allah and his prophet and the pious people like sahabah(according to sunni books) and others and acknowledge the great status of ahlbait(as) by loving them sincerely as allah ordered us even according to sunni books then no shia would say no to such unity that muste be based on mutual acceptance of each other and our differences.
but how can we unite with people like these salafis who appear a century ago and claim that know it all and all others are innovators and mushrik etc ...
they are an alien group that was encouraged by the british colonizers against muslims and this view is not a shia view but the big sunni scholar mohammed saeed ramadhan al-bouti confirms this alongside others.

yes these people find roots of their doctrines in the teaching of ibn taymyyah and many sunni traditions and quran which they take lightly and literally like did the sect of khawarij before them . they are similar to khawarij in almost every aspect but they try to look like true followers of sunnah to fool people.
they invented a cowardly form of jihad that never existed within islam like these suicide bombers  and like the killing of civilians and presenting an ugly distorted version of islam based on bigotry and deception and false doctrines.

look here for instance : do u see any real decent people who really want to reform the ummah ?? please read the posts here on this forum and see the tone and manners and hostility these people have for everyone different from them!!! believe me today it's the shia but tomorrow it's all sunnis as these people don't tolerate any difference , they don't believe in human nature and human rights.
if you need specific clarifications then please don't hesitate to ask !

so my suggestion to u is this : take it easy : worship Allah alone and don't make partners with him as shirk is sometimes hidden and unfelt but still called shirk> follow on the footsteps of rasool allah (saww) the best of mankind through the hadith but if a hadith contradicts quran and intellect then cast it away even it has good chain of narrators. and don't forget to love and follow ahlbait(as) even if you think like many sunnis that wives are included in ahlbait(as) but never forget that loving them (as) is a duty and following them is a duty so try to follow them at least the way you follow sahabah .
perform your religious duties , be good to your neighbor even if he's an unbeliever.

do good the best you can and be modest and try not to fall into the trap of judging people without knowledge.  
don't  follow any of us here: shia or sunni or salafis  because this is a forum of hatred and denial , but you can learn things from discussions inshallah.

wassalam alaykom warahmatollah wabarakatoh

Edited by khan786, 06 June 2010 - 05:07 AM.

[sasha]

thank u brothers.
I had a very simple theory as to stick to kuran n sunnah n sahaba (the confirmed, accepted teachings by all muslaks) without being formally affiliated to a particular sect/ muslaks but the problem is:

1)even 4 kuran one needs an authentic generally accepted tafseer, but whom to trust now? as modudiat here is a conspiracy n somewhere else sm other muslak is. also when one hadith supports some muslak's point of view the other call it zaeef.even if one wants hidayat there's a plethora of unauthentic books eg; once i came across a book "kasas ul ambia" (not at all salafi) which had incidents which were totally against logic.


2)as a hadith says that b4 kyamat, there will b 70 firkas n only one will go 2 jannat. now heres something very frustrating when every muslak proudly considers itself the one, also not doing anything (apparently) against religion despite some minor differences.

I have always admired firka e mutazila (ahl e hadees), ikhwanul muslimeen movement and have also deep reverence 4 sufis. i wonder where do i stand in the above 70 sects?

also kindly provide me with some links/info which gives brief idea bout these firkas. May Allah guide us all. amen
Regards

[khan786]

sasha, on 06 June 2010 - 01:36 PM, said:

thank u brothers.
I had a very simple theory as to stick to kuran n sunnah n sahaba (the confirmed, accepted teachings by all muslaks) without being formally affiliated to a particular sect/ muslaks but the problem is:

1)even 4 kuran one needs an authentic generally accepted tafseer, but whom to trust now? as modudiat here is a conspiracy n somewhere else sm other muslak is. also when one hadith supports some muslak's point of view the other call it zaeef.even if one wants hidayat there's a plethora of unauthentic books eg; once i came across a book "kasas ul ambia" (not at all salafi) which had incidents which were totally against logic.


2)as a hadith says that b4 kyamat, there will b 70 firkas n only one will go 2 jannat. now heres something very frustrating when every muslak proudly considers itself the one, also not doing anything (apparently) against religion despite some minor differences.

I have always admired firka e mutazila (ahl e hadees), ikhwanul muslimeen movement and have also deep reverence 4 sufis. i wonder where do i stand in the above 70 sects?

also kindly provide me with some links/info which gives brief idea bout these firkas. May Allah guide us all. amen
Regards

Yes, i agree.  Truth is only one. If there are so many truths then this itself belies them that not all are true.

I suggest you start your journey of thinking from Hadith Thaqlain of which ever version it is.

Rasullullah ordered us to take care of his Ahylebayt. and shun those firqas first those whose islaf fought against Ahylebayt.

Sura Shura: verse 23

قُلْ لَا أَسْأَلُكُمْ عَلَيْهِ أَجْرًا إِلَّا الْمَوَدَّةَ فِي الْقُرْبَىٰ
[Shakir 42:23] Say: I do not ask of you any reward for it but love for my near relatives;

Edited by khan786, 06 June 2010 - 03:19 PM.

[Fatah-Momin]

sasha, on 06 June 2010 - 01:36 PM, said:

thank u brothers.
I had a very simple theory as to stick to kuran n sunnah n sahaba (the confirmed, accepted teachings by all muslaks) without being formally affiliated to a particular sect/ muslaks but the problem is:

1)even 4 kuran one needs an authentic generally accepted tafseer, but whom to trust now? as modudiat here is a conspiracy n somewhere else sm other muslak is. also when one hadith supports some muslak's point of view the other call it zaeef.even if one wants hidayat there's a plethora of unauthentic books eg; once i came across a book "kasas ul ambia" (not at all salafi) which had incidents which were totally against logic.


2)as a hadith says that b4 kyamat, there will b 70 firkas n only one will go 2 jannat. now heres something very frustrating when every muslak proudly considers itself the one, also not doing anything (apparently) against religion despite some minor differences.

I have always admired firka e mutazila (ahl e hadees), ikhwanul muslimeen movement and have also deep reverence 4 sufis. i wonder where do i stand in the above 70 sects?

also kindly provide me with some links/info which gives brief idea bout these firkas. May Allah guide us all. amen
Regards

Please do not quote me on this as this my understanding of Quran and I am no scholar, I usually do not post my opinions on the Quran. The first Question is what is Quran? and answer is, it is guidance for welfare of humanity. Which means that it is easy to understand the text of Quran, the understanding is restricted by the mental capacity of a person. Tafsir only put in to context the text. Almost every time that I have read story of a revert, they claimed that they started by reading Quran, no one claim that they read Tafsir. Remember the text of Quran has remained the same only the understanding has changed, eg big bang theory has been revealed in Quran 1430 yrs back, it is only now scientist have confirmed it.
So read and understand Quran on your own, and if you have any questions talk to a real scholar not a Mullah.


Allah-o-Allam

[sasha]

thank u bro.... kuran is simple n miraculous at the same time.

[sasha]

@ khan 786
if we look from 'ahl e bait' point of view then i think sunnis fit this criteria as they r not selective among the family members of Prophet(PBUH) nor consider it right to choose among those people whom Prophet(PBUH) held close.


n yeah u r rite as we will have to hold the rope of Allah n not to divide ourselves as its in kuran. but b it shia, sunni, who so ever thinks himself right n opposes on others forcefully, he is wrong. It has nothing to do with Shia Sunni thing but ignorance on the whole. The differences should  b discussed for individual satisfaction or among ulemas for logical constructive debate, otherwise its death!!! few years ago i read a paper by James kerth suggesting divide n rule policy in Iraq n after that morons from both sides started target killing (agents of course). Whosoever prefers to help a non Muslim against a Muslim is committing a grave mistake according to a hadith.

regards

Edited by sasha, 09 June 2010 - 06:00 PM.

[Arfatzafar]

Allah k naam se:
dear brothers,
Remember Our Prophet s.a.w guides us here-
1: ''Ma ana alaihi wa ashabi (including ahlebait rz.a.)''.
2: '' Lan yajmau ummati ala al zalalah''
now, see that the majority of Ummah will never go astray as They will follow Quran o Sunnah without fail as the Sahaba Ikram rz.a. Did.
How to recognize a perverted sect, plz note:
a: they will leave Sahaba Ikram rz.a.
B: they will consider rest of the Ummah perverted.
C: they will vituperate our forefathers.
D: they will prove themselves superior even to Sahaba Ikram rz.a.
(N Allah is All Knowing)

[Dihyah_Kalbi]

sasha, on 05 June 2010 - 03:51 PM, said:

AOA
i am a simple Muslim who by the grace of Allah developed love for my religion after being confused in dajjali fitnas(the modernism n the likes). coming to islam is easy but now different maslaks declaring others out of islam is so confusing. i developed deep reverence for Molana Modudi,( esp his Tafheem u l Kuran) n I liked his ideas which want us to get out of poems n praises of Islam n actually look at ourselves n serve it practically. now here s another story going on among our brothers, then what maslak to choose?whom to trust? plz give some brief idea (neutral n unbiased) its so confusing

Also this anti Shia stance might b true but don't u think v all need to unite against our enemies as our enemy is not concerned with our firka but our main source(ISlam)

regards

is This what you mean, unite in the name of islam against the enemy of Islam; Why dont you(shias) convert to ahle-sunna jama'ah and unite in the islam, no you dont want this  but you want us to leave our religion and Start matam mutah taqqiyyah like you(shias) ignorants.

you r not interested in unity but destruction of islam