omarashidwani, on 02 July 2011 - 06:57 PM, said:
Jhangvi, on 02 July 2011 - 06:22 PM, said:
omarashidwani, on 02 July 2011 - 05:51 PM, said:
if sibt ibn jauzi becomes a rafidi by quoting some exaggerations you claim. then wat is your opinion on imam bukhari, imam nmuslim, imam nisai, etc the masters of hadith who directly reported traditions from rafidis. please answer fairly.
First of all let be very clear that there is a huge difference between mentioning
some exaggerations and mentioning
Shia filth.
Exaggerations if remain within the limits, can be debatable; but when such so-called
exaggerations go beyond with the Shia belief, are certainly not even worthy enough to talk about. So, open your eyes, read carefully and understand what filth Sibt Ibne Jawzi has spoken in his book. The reference for, I have already quoted in my last post.
Secondly you are so keen to ask the status of our Muhaditheen, that why is so, they have quoted few of the Ahadith in their books containing Shia narrators? Well, I believe you are from sub-continent Indo-Pak and I am pretty sure you must be knowing Urdu language; the answer to the same query has already been answered by one of our respected forum member
Hot Ice in a thread. I'm quoting here for your question, and if let suppose you not understand, let me know I will translate the same in English.
Hot Ice, on 22 May 2011 - 08:26 PM, said:
Actually hamare taqreban tamam Ahl-e-Sunnat mohadiseen is bat pe mutafiq hain ke kisi riwayat mai agar koi Shia ravi aa jye to usay yaksar reject nahi kya jye ga balke us riwayat ko qubool karne se pehle kuch usooli baton ka khyal rakhna zaroori hai. Waise to usool-e-hadees mai is mozu pe mohadiseen ki taweel behes aur jarah mojood hai laikin tamam bhaion aur behno ki asani aur unke ilm ke lye is ka khulasa bata deta hoon.
Mohadiseen ne Ahl-e-Sunnat ke tareeq ki kisi riwayat mai Shia ravi ke mojood hone per us riwayat ko radd (reject) karne ya qubool karne ki teen (3) sharait bayan ki hain. Kuch ne in 3 sharait ke zail mai kuch khas batain bhi bayan ki hain laikin majority ne jo 3 ahm sharait per itefaq kia hai wo ye hain:-
1. Awal to us ravi ka siqa (sacha/sudooq) hona lazmi hai. Agar wo ravi siqa na ho aur na hi us ke siqa hone ki koi shahadat mojood ho to phir usay wahen radd (reject) kar dya jye ga. Laikin agar to ravi siqa hai aur us ke siqa hone ka saboot ya shahadat bhi mojood hai to phir is bat ki bunyad pe point # 2 aur point # 3 ko daikha jye ga.
Lehaza mandrja zail ye do points ( # 2 aur # 3 ) us ravi ke siqa hone ke sath mashroot hain:-
2. Agar wo ravi Ahl-e-Biddat mai se ho (kharji ho, rafzi ho, murjaa ho, nasabi ho, mutazili ho, qaddria ho) aur us ka aqeda ya biddat agar ghulu pe mabni ho yani sabb-o-shitam pe ya ghalez ya sakht ho to aise ravi ki riwayat ko qubool nahi kia jye ga. Laikin agar us ka aqeda ya biddat ghulu pe mabni na ho to phir qubool ki jye gi.
3. Agar wo ravi apne aqeday (point # 1) ka daee (dawat dene wala) hai ya munazir (munazra kar ke apne aqeday ki taraf qail karne wala) hai to aise ravi ki riwayat ko qubool nahi kia jye ga. Laikin agar wo daee na ho aur na hi munazir ho aur agar us ki bayan karda riwayat se us ke mazhab ko taqwiat na pohnchti ho to phir qubool ki jye gi.
Ye yad rahe ke point # 2 aur # 3 siqa hone ki shart ke sath hain aur in dono points ko aik sath daikha jye ga. Ye nahi ke siqa hone ke sath sirf wo point # 2 ki shart pe pura utarta hai ya point # 3 ki shart pe. Point # 2 aur # 3 ko aik sath daikha jye ga laikin us ke lye shart siqa hona lazmi hai.
Hope it will suffice you
omarashidwani, on 02 July 2011 - 05:51 PM, said:
secondly, what is your opinion about the historians, muhaddiths and scholars who published in their books the incidents that blot the character of prophet(saw) like the incident of bani quraizah, the satanic verses incident. please answer fairly.
Present us here any such incident with Sahih chain, we would love to answer such
But mind you, the incident must be with complete and Sahih chain, we don't treat jokes!
omarashidwani, on 02 July 2011 - 05:51 PM, said:
ali, hassan, hussain, fatime(ra) were both sahabis and ahl bait. the books that contain filth against them. what is the opinion of yours on them. answer fairly.
There is no doubt of being their, as Sahabah [R.A] and Ahle Bayt [R.A]. Any such narration which speaks ill regarding them, is liable to be trashed without any discussion. Their integrity is much much higher than any such filthy narrations.
omarashidwani, on 02 July 2011 - 05:51 PM, said:
if any scholar in his writings expresses his deficit of love of sahaba and ahl bait. what is your opinion on him. answer fairly.
Refer to the above, same question, same answer.
Now, let make things simple and clear. Are you a Shia or Ahle Sunnah? What do you believe regarding Shias 12th Imam? Please enlight your answer keeping in view the belief of Shias, lets get things straight before any further.
it was pleasing to check your post. well, brother i am NOT A SHIA. without saying anything, i implore you to check my posts and see fer urself if i posted any shia filth.
The Prophet said that the best man amongst his followers is the one
who has the greatest number of wives. [Bukhari, Vol 3:52 Book of
Nikah #62] The Quran (49:13) tells us that the best person is the one
who is best in conduct.
The sun rises between the two antlers of Satan. [Beginning of
Creation 2:235 #504] Does this need a comment?
Prophet Abraham lied three times. [Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:57 #78]
When the Prophet married Ayesha, she was 6 years old, and the
marriage was consummated when she was 9 (and he was 54).
[Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:75 #122] On the other hand, the Quran ties
marriage to adulthood and mental maturity by declaring marriage a
solemn covenant (4:21). There is strong historical evidence contrary
to Bukhari
Run from the leper as you run from the lion. [Bukhari, Kitab-ut-Tibb,
Book of Medicine 3:259 #663] It is well-known that leprosy requires
years of close contact to get transmitted. Still, we find contradiction in
several Ahadith. For example, La ‘Udwa wa La Teeara wa La
Haamma (There is no such thing as contagion, omen or a hunger
snake in the stomach.)
The exalted Prophet said, “I will be the first one to regain
consciousness in Qiyamat (Resurrection), but I will find Prophet
Moses holding the foot of the Throne of God. [Hadith 1750 Kitab-ut-
Tafseer Vol 2 pg 784] This Hadith has obviously been contrived by
some non-Muslim to belittle Muhammad (S) in comparison to Prophet
Moses.
One of the greatest names of the Islamic world of the 20th century ,
the Chief Saudi Cleric, Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Baaz, issued a Fatwa in
1970: Whoever believes that the Earth moves around the Sun, or that
man has landed on the Moon is an ardent Kaafir. Furthermore,
anyone doubting his infidelity would be a greater Kaafir and his wife
would be automatically divorced from him. It would be haram to marry
into his family, drink water in his house, pray behind him, or to attend
his funeral prayer. This Fatwa (edict) was sponsored and publicized
by the Saudi government. Amusingly, this is a prototype of the kind of
Fatawa dispensed by our Mullahs rendering Kaafir whoever won’t
heed them.
During labor pains let the woman hold the book “Mawatta Imam
Malik” for instant delivery. (Thanwi, A’maal-e-Qurani)
Imam Abu Suleman Jozjani told Muhammad bin Sa’d: I was
in the company of Imam Malik. Imam Malik was asked, “Can a man
have rectal intercourse with his wives?” Malik struck his head with his
hand and replied, “O Dummies! I am coming directly from bath after
doing that. Don’t you read in the Quran that your wives are your
fields, go into them as you please?” (‘Amdatil Qari, Tafsir Bukhari).
The Quran here means: When socializing with women (not wives) it
should be kept in mind that they are the custodians of your future
generations. (See verse 2:223 above).
now see imam ghazali's iyha ul uloom
Cattle meat is disease and its milk is cure. (2:36). The Quran must
have forbidden cattle for consumption, then.
The Prophet said that a piece of rug lying in a corner of the house is
better than a woman who is infertile. (2:48)
A Hadith says a dark woman who bears children is better than a
beautiful woman who bears no children. (2:49).
On (2:52) Ghazali goes on to say, “When a man’s organ is in
erection, two thirds of his mind and two thirds of his religion have
departed from him.” This is the wisdom of our “Hujjatul Islam”, The
Testimony of Islam, an honorable title given to Ghazali!
Hazrat Umar Farooq used to break his fast (not by eating or drinking),
but by having sexual intercourse. During Ramadhan he used to have
intercourse with three concubines before Salat-il-Isha (the night
prayers). (2:54)
Imam Hasan used to divorce four women and marry four women at
the same hour. He married more than 200 wives. That is why the
Prophet has said, “Hasan is from me.” (2:55). According to the Prophet (S) the most undesirable among permissible acts is divorce
Find a woman who is beautiful, well mannered, has big black eyes
and black hair, and a white complexion. (2:73). This is probably
Ghazali’s dream girl that he could never attract.
The Prophet said, "The best wives are those who look beautiful and
their mehr (marital portions or gift) is small." (2:74). The exalted
Prophet had advised character as the first and foremost criterion in
the selection of a spouse.
Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiq used to carry pebbles in his mouth so that he
would not speak. (Pg 505). Hazrat Abu Bakr was the noblest
ruler/caliph of the Islamic Empire. Someone should have put pebbles
in Ghazali’s mouth.
check now ibn tamiyah:-
Minhaj al-Sunnah, Volume 4 page 137:
“Aliintended to marry so as to hurt her (Fatima) on purpose.”
i could go on with some narrations that are too terrible to post. hope these will do.
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