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UK based ''so called graduate'' says ''we shoudn't do taqleed in abu bakr


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#1 OFFLINE   Sunnah1

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 01:09 AM



He is anlaysis of what he said, wheither it was taken out of context or what not, he really shouldn't have used that as an example of taqleed, if you are going to dicuss the issue of taqleed dont attack those whom were already promised eternal heaven aswell having knowledge which was preserved for the later generations, through spending all those years learning off the prophet mohammed swt





Very good reponse, even thou it was taken out of context and i think he went a bit over emotional even thou i argee with him to some extint that comment was a very stupid comment to make
{ إن الذين فرَّقوا دينهم } باختلافهم فيه فأخذوا بعضه وتركوا بعضه { وكانوا شيعا } فرقا في ذلك، وفي قراءة فارقوا أي تركوا دينهم الذي أمروا به وهم اليهود والنصارى { لست منهم في شيء } أي فلا تتعرض لهم { إنما أمرهم إلى الله } يتولاه { ثم ينبِّئهم } في الآخرة { بما كانوا يفعلون } فيجازيهم به وهذا منسوخ بآيه السيف .

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 02:19 AM

First of all the " UK based african american ''so called graduate' you mentioned in the title is a respectable Scholar, so please respect him. In fact I have studied under him so this is an insult.



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He is thinking of converting to rafidism?


Also what is the above about? Absolutely un-called for

The shaikh said nothing wrong, What he said in the full speech ( which was half quoted in the video) was no one but the prophet :[S.A.W.W]:should be followed blindly.

The [edited] Immam has poor adab, and is taking things too emotionally.

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, if you are going to dicuss the issue of taqleed dont attack those whom were already promised eternal heaven aswell

Sh Abu Usamah wasn't attacking Abu Bakr :JazakAllah:. He was emphasising that even though Hz Abu Bakr :RA Anhum: was the best of this ummah after the prophet (saws) even then we cannot follow him blindly. Again watch the full video before commenting on bits and pieces.

To Mods - place in appropriate section. This shouldn't be in the sunni vs shia section

Edited by Jhangvi, 28 April 2011 - 04:23 PM.


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Posted 28 April 2011 - 01:39 PM

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 02:19 PM

brother jhangvi its a humble request.....why admin does not take an immediate action against such threads...admin should closed such threads in which there is minor chance of intermadhab debate can take place......if not to be closed at least should give a warning or advice that intermadhab debate cannot be not be tolerate......
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Posted 28 April 2011 - 02:43 PM

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First of all the " UK based african american ''so called graduate' you mentioned in the title is a respectable Scholar, so please respect him. In fact I have studied under him so this is an insult.

You must do taqleed in him aswell? should we also say we shouldnt do taqleed in other sahaba

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He is thinking of converting to rafidism?

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Also what is the above about? Absolutely un-called for

The shaikh said nothing wrong, What he said in the full speech ( which was half quoted in the video) was no one but the prophet :[S.A.W.W]:should be followed blindly.

The deobandi Immam has poor adab, and is taking things too emotionally.

haha? what evidence do you have his [edited]? by any chance, hes hanafi if you wanted to know but i guess you are such a great student ''abu usamah'' youll defend until the end right

Nothing wrong? what attacking those whom want to fellow those whom  were promised jennah isn't wrong

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, if you are going to dicuss the issue of taqleed dont attack those whom were already promised eternal heaven aswell

Sh Abu Usamah wasn't attacking Abu Bakr public/style_emoticons/default/17-RAAnhum.png. He was emphasising that even though Hz Abu Bakr public/style_emoticons/default/17-RAAnhum.png was the best of this ummah after the prophet (saws) even then we cannot follow him blindly. Again watch the full video before commenting on bits and pieces.

To Mods - place in appropriate section. This shouldn't be in the sunni vs shia section

Oh dear? we shouldnt fellow them? why not they were the best of generations, they were ones whom preserved the quran and were the ones that better than all of the scholars today and after, so your comment is [edited], i guess we shouldnt also follow the sahaba, many other prophets aswell

No what he said is [edited], and it must be exposed, i dont care if it is inter-sectarain he knew that what he said was going to cause an outrage he shouldnt kept his mouth quiet

Edited by Jhangvi, 28 April 2011 - 04:30 PM.

{ إن الذين فرَّقوا دينهم } باختلافهم فيه فأخذوا بعضه وتركوا بعضه { وكانوا شيعا } فرقا في ذلك، وفي قراءة فارقوا أي تركوا دينهم الذي أمروا به وهم اليهود والنصارى { لست منهم في شيء } أي فلا تتعرض لهم { إنما أمرهم إلى الله } يتولاه { ثم ينبِّئهم } في الآخرة { بما كانوا يفعلون } فيجازيهم به وهذا منسوخ بآيه السيف .

Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only [left] to Allah ; then He will inform them about what they used to do.

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 02:44 PM

I am going to end it here, but he said is [edited]!, i'd rather do taqleed in abu bakr than bin baz and ibn tamiiyah thats for sure

Edited by Jhangvi, 28 April 2011 - 04:31 PM.

{ إن الذين فرَّقوا دينهم } باختلافهم فيه فأخذوا بعضه وتركوا بعضه { وكانوا شيعا } فرقا في ذلك، وفي قراءة فارقوا أي تركوا دينهم الذي أمروا به وهم اليهود والنصارى { لست منهم في شيء } أي فلا تتعرض لهم { إنما أمرهم إلى الله } يتولاه { ثم ينبِّئهم } في الآخرة { بما كانوا يفعلون } فيجازيهم به وهذا منسوخ بآيه السيف .

Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only [left] to Allah ; then He will inform them about what they used to do.

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 04:45 PM

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