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[simpletruthislam]

so you do believe in the whole para and not just the one line.. ok so please can you explain the whole paragraph to me?   where it says it is misguided or misleading?

and what about other imams' confessions i quoted? can u please paste them here too so everybody including me can get the benifite.. and brother my urdu is little weak..

[Jhangvi]

simpletruthislam, on 05 October 2011 - 07:49 AM, said:

so you do believe in the whole para and not just the one line.. ok so please can you explain the whole paragraph to me?   where it says it is misguided or misleading?

You have been proved as a Liar! No one believes in a Liar! What so ever has been written in the scan page, its the book of your Hadith Rejector Mullah, and not of Imam Razi.

simpletruthislam, on 05 October 2011 - 07:49 AM, said:

and what about other imams' confessions i quoted? can u please paste them here too so everybody including me can get the benifite..

Apply the same rule, one lie is enough to establish, no need to see others.

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Now the question is: Have you seen yourself, the reference from the original book of Imam Razi by your own naked eyes? Or you too are passing it on?

YES or NO

[swords_of_sunnah]

FIRST YOU PROCLAIM THAT YOU TRIED TO DECEIVE PEOPLE. BY POSTING LIES AGAINST IMAM RAZI. AND MAKE AN APOLOGY THAT FROM NEXT TIME YOU WILL NOT LIE.  THEN ONLY WE WILL THINK OF CONTINUING WITH YOU.

[Mawahid Abid]

simpletruthislam, on 05 October 2011 - 07:49 AM, said:

so you do believe in the whole para and not just the one line.. ok so please can you explain the whole paragraph to me?   where it says it is misguided or misleading?

So quran also Say : O believers Not even go near salah .. ??  
but if we stop it here and don't go for the next line what should we do stop praying ?? no the next line gives us the answer And in whole it says : O You believers Not even go near salah When you are in a state of drugs (Alcohol)"


So i think you got your answer !

[Mawahid Abid]

Jhangvi, on 05 October 2011 - 06:21 AM, said:

simpletruthislam, on 04 October 2011 - 10:15 AM, said:

IMAM  RAZI'S HORRIBLE CONFESSION:Most Muslims have heard of one of the most  ancient and famous Tafseer-e- Kabeer (The Great Exposition of the  Qur’an) by Imam Fakhruddin Razi. This tafseer is one of the tops being  followed by our Mullahs till this day. Afterwriting his 300 volumes, the  great and authoritative Imam confesses: "Allmy intellectual and  supposedly logical statements in the explanation of the Qur’an turned out  to be lame. All the explanations of the Qur’an done bythe so-called  Imams (Tabari, Zamakhshari, Ibne Kathir, Bukhari, Muslimetc) are  misguided and misleading. All of us were the tools of Satan." (Hadith-Ul-Qur’an by Allama  Inayatullah Khan Al-Mashriqi, 1954edition p190)

Following is the scan reference of your Hadith Rejector Inayatullah Khan Mashriqi's book, 1954 edition:





^ On page 190 (the middle page attachment), now where it is written that: All of us were the tools of Satan ???

You are a liar! Simply a liar!

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Now, show us the original reference of Imam Razi's book page!

Munkareen e ahadeeth finally Exposed and got the taste of their own medicine ! !


.. And .. and keep it up .. May help you and give you more knowledge (ameen)

[simpletruthislam]

so can anyone plese post the page of imam razis commentory book lol

[swords_of_sunnah]

lol, you are the claimer.. So burden of proof is on you.. moron. Because in such voluminous book where can we find  related statement of imam razi without any accurate reference?

[Jhangvi]

I am sure that Imam Razi had not written any such thing. This Hadith Rejector aka simpletruthislam is nothing but a liar! If he thinks that he is not, then he must bring up such scan reference. It is his duty now to prove himself truthful, and to show us all such scan reference of Imam Razi's book.

[simpletruthislam]

NOPE I NEVER CLAIMED I JUST ASKED IF THIS IS TRUTH OF NOT BECAUSE WHAT I READ I AM ASKING U TO CHECK IF U HAVE RESOURCES ABOUT THESE BOOKS WITH U

OR WHY DONT U GIVE ME LINK TO FIND THESE BOOKS OR DOWNLOAD THEM SO I CAN CHECK THEM MY SELF

[swords_of_sunnah]

lol... poor guy from attacking nature have now turned into apologetic... lol

[Jhangvi]

simpletruthislam, on 06 October 2011 - 06:13 PM, said:

NOPE I NEVER CLAIMED I JUST ASKED IF THIS IS TRUTH OF NOT BECAUSE WHAT I READ I AM ASKING U TO CHECK IF U HAVE RESOURCES ABOUT THESE BOOKS WITH U

This time be truthful and inform the viewers please, that from where you read that "HORRIBLE CONFESSION OF IMAM RAZI" joke statement? Do you read² in some book, if yes then which book? Or you copy-pasted it from somewhere?

[simpletruthislam]

SO YOU DO AGREE EVERYTHING ELSE EXCEPT 1 LINE OF 1 PARA BUT WHAT ABOUT THE REST?

[swords_of_sunnah]

lol, what are you afraid, to confess that munkireen hadeeth LIED this time? after y0u do that , we promise that we will then quote you what Imam tabari said in his tareekh...

[Jhangvi]

simpletruthislam, on 07 October 2011 - 04:28 PM, said:

SO YOU DO AGREE EVERYTHING ELSE EXCEPT 1 LINE OF 1 PARA BUT WHAT ABOUT THE REST?

Tell us, who wrote that lie? You or someone else? Who is the actual liar, name him, let the viewers know this.

[as300]

simpletruthislam, on 04 October 2011 - 09:44 AM, said:

so how did you know which hadith abrogated which??

which was fist and which was last?

and its about asr and not zuhr?

first 2 hadiths are more credible as wife always saw his husband the prophet pbuh  never missed those 2 rakats so the abrogated hadiths according to me would be last 2 because in 3rd hadith muawiyah says we never saw him praying but wife says he prayed at home...

and 4th says abuhurairah is mocking hazarat ayesha if u read the full verse so mocking of prophet's wife allowed? and the person who does that can be reliable?

It's the same thing about Quran
There are some verses abrogated, as Allah said...
About alcohol, djihad, etc etc

How do you know that aisha existed?

[simpletruthislam]

Jhangvi, on 05 October 2011 - 06:21 AM, said:

Following is the scan reference of your Hadith Rejector Inayatullah Khan Mashriqi's book, 1954 edition:

hadith_ul_quran_mashriqi_0.jpg
hadith_ul_quran_mashriqi_190.jpg
hadith_ul_quran_mashriqi_284.jpg

^ On page 190 (the middle page attachment), now where it is written that: All of us were the tools of Satan ???

You are a liar! Simply a liar!

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Now, show us the original reference of Imam Razi's book page!

SALAM AGAIN I WAS OFFLINE FOR SOME TIME

I FOUND THIS QUESTION ASKED TO DR. SHABBIR AHMED ON HIS WEBSITE FORUM U CAN READ HIS ANSWER

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To Dr. Sohil Momin about Imam Razi
By:*Dr. Shabbir, Florida
Date: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 10:06 am
Dear Doctor,

Check the exact book I quoted, 1954 edition, page 190.

"Hadith-ul-Qur’an” Urdu by Allama Inayatullah Khan Al-Mashriqi, 1954 edition, (dated 28 Dec 1954) pg190.

Here it is again, re-translated word for word.

Allama Masriqi writes: “Imam Razi, after writing his 300 volumes of the great exposition, TAFSEER-E-KABEER, happened to be so sensitive in this matter that he frankly made his confession in the following couplets. Here are those couplets.” (Couplets correctly translated from Arabic to Urdu by Allama Mashriqi).

Imam Razi's confession: "All my intellectual and ‘logical’ statements in the explanation of the Qur’an turned out to be lame. Most of the endeavors of ‘scholars the Quran’ were misguided and misleading. Our souls were polluted by our bodies (physical desires). The end result of our life of this world promises to bring us nothing but torture and doom. We gained nothing from our lifelong arguments and efforts except that we accumulated a mountain load of meaningless pages based on he said this and he said that.”

[“Hadith-ul-Qur’an” by Allama Inayatullah Khan Al-Mashriqi, 1954 edition p190. Since this is an extraordinary confession by Razi, please check the readily available book by Allama Mashriqi for yourself.]

WHY DON'T PEOPLE TAKE THE TROUBLE OF BUYING THE READILY AVAILABLE BOOK AND SEE FOR THEMSELVES?

Brother,

You may post my answer anywhere in its entirety.

Thank you!

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To Dr. Sohil - "Hadithul Q" is Urdu
By:Behroz Batliwalla, M.D., NY
Date: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 11:14 am
In Response To: To Dr. Sohil Momin about Imam Razi (*Dr. Shabbir, Florida)
I have the book in my possession. Dr. Shabbir is quite right. He should save his time and ignore the couch-potato misers. Let them buy the book or shut up.

On page 189 of Hadith-ul-Quran, Allama Al-Mashiqi writes that the huge useless burden of penmanship in thousands of pages of Quran exposition created by Rumi and Razi were the blunted swords of declined Muslims which they wielded in their times with no positive results. On the contrary, Hazrat Umar and his companions had conquered 36,000 towns and forts, since their actions were based on pristine Imaan and beneficial works. To make a long story short, the Muslim influence had spread to the entire civilized world within a century. [Remember that Umar the Great had ruled only for 12 years, until 23 AH = 644 AD.

The most important thing to understand is that in the Deen of Hazrat Umar, a poet and philosopher like Rumi and an exponent of the Quran like Razi hardly had a place. Their mountains of pages failed to motivate a single Muslim. In fact, Muslims became disenchanted with these Imams’ so-called Allah’s Deen. Imam Razi, after writing his exposition in 300 volumes, (Tafseer-e-Kabeer) became so nervous and paranoid that he exposed in the following poetry what he truly felt:

Repeat: "All my intellectual and ‘logical’ statements in the explanation of the Qur’an turned out to be lame. Most of the endeavors of ‘scholars the Quran’ were misguided and misleading. Our souls were polluted by our bodies (physical desires). The end result of our life of this world promises to bring us nothing but torture and doom. We gained nothing from our lifelong argumentations and efforts except that we accumulated a mountain load of meaningless pages – say this and said that.”

The question is, why hundreds of these compilations failed to clearly explain the Quran? What happened to the knowledge that some mu’mins had learned from the exalted Prophet?

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Re: To Dr. Sohil - "Hadithul Q" is Urdu
By:Saadia Khan, Norway
Date: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 11:30 am
In Response To: To Dr. Sohil - "Hadithul Q" is Urdu (Behroz Batliwalla, M.D., NY)
Dear Dr Behroz,

I have Hadith-ul-Quran too.

Dr Shabbir Sahib has written exactly right.

Some fools are looking at another book, may be English. How can that malicious Saudi read an Urdu book by A.I.K. Mashriqi?

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Re: To Dr. Sohil - "Hadithul Q" is Urdu
By:Afsara Sheikh, Beijing
Date: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 12:07 pm
In Response To: Re: To Dr. Sohil - "Hadithul Q" is Urdu (Saadia Khan, Norway)
Dear friends,

I had checked Hadeeth ul Quran 1954 by Allama Al-Mashriqi before and checked it again.

Agree one hundred percent with our respected Doctors Shabbir and Behroz, and with Sister Saadia.

Let the detractors stew in the hell of their own making and let us not waste our time on them.

Dr. Sohil now has the moral responsibility of posting our full responses.

[Jhangvi]

Twinkle twinkle little star.... Stop giving such lullabies.... come up with a scan next time!

[swords_of_sunnah]

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come up with a scan next time!

Akhee member "simplefalsehood" forgot to mention another email.

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To Mr. fool about Imam Razi
By:*Dr. Shabbir, Florida
Date: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 10:06 am

Dear Mr fool,

We will never fulfill the wish of our opponents, regarding the SCAN page from the book of Imam Razi, since that quote doesn't even exists. but as we know that  all our brethren are fools,So our foolish followers will blindly accept our lies. And if they had any sense in them, would they ever become hadeeth rejectors?  

So there is no need to bother, since our followers are idiots they won't bother in researching about that issue.  

You may post my answer anywhere in its entirety.

Thank you!

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