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[Ahlusunnah]

Assalamualaikum,

What is the status of this narration Husin r.a asked Umar r.a to descend from mimbar of his father?

3992 - وقال إسحاق : أنا : سليمان بن حرب ، ثنا : حماد بن زيد ، عن يحيى بن سعيد ، عن عبيد بن حبيب ، عن الحسين بن علي ، قال : صعدت إلى عمر بن الخطاب ، فقلت : أنزل ، عن منبر أبي وإذهب ، إلى منبر أبيك ، قال : إن أبي لم يكن له منبر ، قال : ثم أخذني بين يديه ، فجعلت أقلب حصى في يدي ، فلما نزل ذهب بي إلى منزله ، فقال : من أمرك بهذا ؟ فقلت : ما أمرني بهذا أحد ، قال : جعلت تغشانا ، جعلت تأتينا قال : فأتيته يوماً ، وهو خال بمعاوية ، وجاء إبن عمر فرجع ، فلما رأيت إبن عمر رجع رجعت ، فلقيني بعد ، فقال : لم أرك تأتينا ؟ فقلت : قد جئتك ، وكنت خالياً بمعاوية ، وجاء إبن عمر فرجع ، فلما رأيته رجع رجعت فقال عمر : أنت أحق بالإذن من عبد الله بن عمر ، إنما إنت على رءوسنا ، أما ترى الله عز وجل وأنتم ، قال : ووضع يده على رأسه.


Reference: إبن حجر العسقلاني - المطالب العالية - كتاب المناقب

Many more here

http://www.mezan.net...hat/12Inzel.htm

Edited by Ahlusunnah, 19 July 2012 - 11:37 AM.

[AbuMuslimKhorasani]

Do you have full translation?

Because I have read something similar that Hussein (ra) (when he was was a child) said to Umar or Abubakr (ra) to descend from the mimbar because thats his grandfathers place so Umar or Abubakr (ra) lifted Hussein (ra) and kissed him.

Allah (swt) knows best.

Edited by AbuMuslimKhorasani, 19 July 2012 - 12:17 PM.

[Hani]

Ameer al-Mu'mineen (ra) began his reign on the 23rd August 634.... al-Hussein (ra) ibn `Ali (ra) as born on the 8th of January 626. (According to Wiki)

[Ahlusunnah]

AbuMuslimKhorasani, on 19 July 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

Do you have full translation?

Because I have read something similar that Hussein (ra) (when he was was a child) said to Umar or Abubakr (ra) to descend from the mimbar because thats his grandfathers place so Umar or Abubakr (ra) lifted Hussein (ra) and kissed him.

Allah (swt) knows best.

Akhi they are many narrations about this. Try to search from this link

http://www.mezan.net...hat/12Inzel.htm

[saleh.neji]

Ahlusunnah, on 19 July 2012 - 11:35 AM, said:

Assalamualaikum,

What is the status of this narration Husin r.a asked Umar r.a to descend from mimbar of his father?

3992 - وقال إسحاق : أنا : سليمان بن حرب ، ثنا : حماد بن زيد ، عن يحيى بن سعيد ، عن عبيد بن حبيب ، عن الحسين بن علي ، قال : صعدت إلى عمر بن الخطاب ، فقلت : أنزل ، عن منبر أبي وإذهب ، إلى منبر أبيك ، قال : إن أبي لم يكن له منبر ، قال : ثم أخذني بين يديه ، فجعلت أقلب حصى في يدي ، فلما نزل ذهب بي إلى منزله ، فقال : من أمرك بهذا ؟ فقلت : ما أمرني بهذا أحد ، قال : جعلت تغشانا ، جعلت تأتينا قال : فأتيته يوماً ، وهو خال بمعاوية ، وجاء إبن عمر فرجع ، فلما رأيت إبن عمر رجع رجعت ، فلقيني بعد ، فقال : لم أرك تأتينا ؟ فقلت : قد جئتك ، وكنت خالياً بمعاوية ، وجاء إبن عمر فرجع ، فلما رأيته رجع رجعت فقال عمر : أنت أحق بالإذن من عبد الله بن عمر ، إنما إنت على رءوسنا ، أما ترى الله عز وجل وأنتم ، قال : ووضع يده على رأسه.


Reference: إبن حجر العسقلاني - المطالب العالية - كتاب المناقب

Many more here

http://www.mezan.net...hat/12Inzel.htm

this hadith shows sayidona omar ibn al-khattab(ra) loving hussein ibn ali(as) more than his own son . a translation would be good. what a fantastic hadith

ps: the narrator is ubaid ibn hunain not ubaid ibn habib and he is thiqat

Edited by saleh.neji, 19 July 2012 - 08:44 PM.

[Ebn Hussein]

^Indeed a BEAUTIFUL Hadith, but these Takfeeri minded and full of grudge loaded Rafidah "scholars" see everything in their retarded way.

Faysal Noor's Radd: http://www.fnoor.com/fn0416.htm

[saleh.neji]

Ebn Hussein, on 19 July 2012 - 08:42 PM, said:

^Indeed a BEAUTIFUL Hadith, but these Takfeeri minded and full of grudge loaded Rafidah "scholars" see everything in their retarded way.

Faysal Noor's Radd: http://www.fnoor.com/fn0416.htm

read the hadith carefully akhi and see the superb character of omar al-farooq (ra) and his love for hussein ibn ali(as) : he told hussin(ra) : some to us ! visit us ! hussein ibn ali(as) didn't refuse and he started coming . when he went to visit omar(ra) one day he saw him talking privately to muawya , ibn omar (ra) also came but didn't enter (his father didn't give him permission ) , when hussein (as) saw what ibn omar (ra) did he also didn't enter. so omar(ra) asked him later : why didn't you come to us . he said : i saw ibn omar (ra) not entering so i did like him . omar(ra) said : you are more worthy of my permission to enter than ibn omar (ra ) (his own son) , don't you see allah and yourselves (meaning don't you know your status in the eyes of allah) . you are "above our heads" (arabic expression meaning you are so dear to us ), and he (omar (ra)) put his head on hussein(as) head.

the beginning of the hadith doesn't not show anything bad : hussein (as) was young and spoke with anger and omar (ra) didn't rebuke him or said anything bad to him , on the contrary he spoke kindly to him.

observations : ali(as) was alive then so why didn't he prevent hussein(as) from visiting omar. was this without the permission of ali(as)?

if omar was so evil and the supposed killer of zahra(as) then would hussein go to him and would ali(as) allow him to visit him ?

Edited by saleh.neji, 19 July 2012 - 09:00 PM.

[Abdaal]

I read this narration  in Imam Suyuti's Tehreek, and Imam Ali (as) reacts by stating that he is not responsible for this statement. He then asks whether the sons should be punished. The sahaba replied negative and said that the sons have spoken the truth.

[swords_of_sunnah]

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Once Umar called upon Hussain, when Hussain came, he met Abdullah ibn  Umar. He (i.e Abdullah ibn Umar said: I haven’t been allowed to meet  him. When Hussain came to know this, he returned. Than when he met Umar  later, Umar said: Why you didn’t come? Hussain said: When I came to meet  you , I saw that Abdullah , your son, has also not been allowed to meet  you , so I returned. Upon this, Umar said: Are you like Ibn Umar? He  has another status , and you have another status.
أمر عمر الحسين بن علي أن يأتيه في بعض الحاجة فلقي الحسين عليه السلام عبد  الله بن عمر فسأله من أين جاء؟ قال : استأذنت على أبي فلم يأذن لي فرجع  الحسين ولقيه عمـر من الغد، فقال : ما منعك أن تأتيني؟ قال: قد أتيتك، ولكن  أخبرني ابنك عبد الله أنه لم يؤذن له عليك فرجعت، فقال عمر : وأنت عندي  مثله؟ وهل أنبت الشعر على الرأس غيركم
Tarikh Baghdad , Vol. 1, p. 141
Sharh Nahjul Balagha, by Ibn Hadeed al Rafidhi, Vol. 3, p. 161

http://youpuncturedt...tra-and-umarra/