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#1 OFFLINE   inaam07

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 01:52 PM

is ayet ki tafseer main ye bat byaan ki gai hai k madina main baaz munaafeqeen b sahaaba k lable k sath nabi s a w k gird mojood thy.. ye kon kon log thy.. tareekkh or ahaadees in k namo k baary main kya kehti hai..

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 06:13 PM

is forum pe apko iska answer nai milna :)
What i have noticed during my research at different sects is that there is still a Khariji element present within the AhlalSunnah and a Rafizi element within the AhlalTasshayyu.......The huge khariji influence on one side and rafazi influence on other side has created a cloud over the true path. Many sheeps who want to be a better muslim are led away from true path because of the clouds of confusions and hate !!!!

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 06:30 PM

bait e rizwan waley tu nahi they..,,kam az kam :happy:
Asalatu asalamu aliaka Ya Rasool Allah
Waala Alika wa Ashabika Ya Habeeb Allah

قیس بن ابی حازم رضی اﷲ عنہ سے روایت ہے کہ ایک دن حضرت ابوبکر رضی اﷲ عنہ حضرت علی رضی اﷲ عنہ چہرے کی طرف دیکھ کر مسکرانے لگے۔
حضرت علی رضی اﷲ عنہ نے پوچھا‘ آپ کیوں مسکرا رہے ہیں؟
سیدنا ابوبکر رضی اﷲ عنہ نے فرمایا‘ ’’ میں نے آقا ومولیٰ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کو یہ فرماتے ہوئے سنا ہے کہ پل صراط پر سے صرف وہی گزر کر جنت میں جائے گا جس کو علی وہاں سے گزرنے کا پروانہ دیں گے۔‘‘
اس پر سیدنا علی رضی اﷲ عنہ ہنسنے لگے اور فرمایا‘ اے ابوبکر ! آپ کو بشارت ہو۔ میرے آقا ومولیٰ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے یہ بھی فرمایا ہے کہ (اے علی!) پل صراط پر سے گزرنے کا پروانہ صرف اسی کو دینا جس کے دل میں ابوبکر کی محبت ہو۔‘‘
(الریاض النضرۃ فی مناقب العشرۃ ج۲:۵۵ امطبوعہ مصر)

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 07:08 PM

 junoon26, on 27 February 2013 - 06:30 PM, said:

bait e rizwan waley tu nahi they..,,kam az kam :happy:

1400 sahaba to exclude ho gae phir.....
What i have noticed during my research at different sects is that there is still a Khariji element present within the AhlalSunnah and a Rafizi element within the AhlalTasshayyu.......The huge khariji influence on one side and rafazi influence on other side has created a cloud over the true path. Many sheeps who want to be a better muslim are led away from true path because of the clouds of confusions and hate !!!!

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 08:19 PM

 goharjanjua, on 27 February 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

is forum pe apko iska answer nai milna :)

isi forum pay is ka jawab buhat pehlay dia ja chuka hay :-) aap ko thread khud search karna ho ga ya aap aisa karain yehe sawal english me post kar dayn jawab aa jaye ga ... Shukriya!

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:28 PM

yar ager aik bandy ko english naa ati ho to kya kary.. :(
2nd ager iska jawaab pehlay dia ja raha hai to pleez bray meherbaani hamari help kijiye hamain iski shadeeed zaroorat hai kai aik dino sy.. @ janoon26

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:59 AM

 inaam07, on 27 February 2013 - 10:28 PM, said:

yar ager aik bandy ko english naa ati ho to kya kary.. :(
2nd ager iska jawaab pehlay dia ja raha hai to pleez bray meherbaani hamari help kijiye hamain iski shadeeed zaroorat hai kai aik dino sy.. @ janoon26

Oh bahe simple baat tu hai kha , aap SAAW ke sahaba ke sath khuch aise log aker shamil hojate the joo munafqeen the aur Aap SAAW ka kehna kha , mere sahaba mai Munafiqeen hai jis ka matlab hai kha sahaba ki jamaat mai munafqeen bhe aap SAAW ke sath beth jate ta kha aap ki baten sunen ya phr sahaba se koe raz ki baat mil jae tu woo AAP saaw ke dushmanoo ya makka waloon ko bata de................ ibn abi sulool ka tola es mai mashhoor tha.ye sab Madina ke the , aur phr Quran ne bhe Madina ke khuch log aur aur os ke as pass ke villages ke khuch logon ko munafiq kaha hai jis se kam se kam ye tu sabit hota Muhajireen woo Ansar ke jansaroon mai Munafiq nahe the jis Shahdi Khud Quran deta hai

Quran Fermata hai

وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَهَاجَرُوا وَجَاهَدُوا فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ وَالَّذِينَ آوَوا وَّنَصَرُوا أُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ حَقًّا ۚ لَّهُم مَّغْفِرَةٌ وَرِزْقٌ كَرِيمٌ (انفال 74 )

ترجمہ : اور جو لوگ ایمان لائے اور وطن سے ہجرت کر گئے اور خدا کی راہ میں لڑائیاں کرتے رہے اور جنہوں نے (ہجرت کرنے والوں کو) جگہ دی اور ان کی مدد کی۔ یہی لوگ سچے مسلمان ہیں۔ ان کے لیے (خدا کے ہاں) بخشش اور عزت کی روزی ہے

es ye baat tu confrom hai kha woo log jinhoon ne hijrat ki aur woo log jnhoon ne un ki madad ki woo pake sachi momin hai hai Allah khud fermata hai

baqi ibn abi sulool aur os ka tola tu ansar ko bura bhala kehta rehta tha kh tum en (muhajreen) ko kion jaga de hai..

Aur Hazrat Abu hudhifa ko aap SAAW ne naam bata diye kha wo  kon ha . Hazrat Umar ne unhen insist kia on ke nam bataoo tu unhoon ne kaha nahe bataoo ga per aap on mai nahe hai,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ........aisi rivayat ke bare mai aap ko ENGLISH SECtION wale hi sahe bata sakte hain , Jaise Ali Muaviya bahe ne kaha .........

Wa alaikum Alsalam


Edited by Servant-of-Sahaba, 28 February 2013 - 06:06 AM.

Sayyidina Umar said, ‘Our chief Abu Bakr (RA) is the best of us and was the dearest of all of us to Allah’s Messenger.” ۔-
Sayyidina Abdullah bin masood said Umar’s acceptance of Islam was victory of Islam, his migration was divine Help his Caliphate was divine Mercy-----
Sayyidina Abdullah ibn Abbas Al hashmi says if everyone would agree on the murder of Hazrat Usman then stone  pouring down from the sky ---
Sayyidina Umar ra said Congratulations to you, O Ali after today you are friend of every believer , He said If Ali was not there, Umar would have perished.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 06:20 AM

jazakallah bhai mere khayal may eik moqe per aap :Muhammad[S.A.W.W]:  nay un kay naam le kar un ko shayad masjid say nikal dia tha

" الله الله في أصحابي ، لا تتخذوهم غرضا من بعدي ، فمن أحبهم فبحبي أحبهم ، ومن أبغضهم فببغضي أبغضهم ، ومن آذاهم فقد آذاني ، ومن آذاني فقد آذى الله ، ومن آذى الله فيوشك أن يأخذه "


ترجمہ:”اللہ سے ڈرو‘ اللہ سے ڈرو میرے صحابہ کے معاملہ میں‘ مکرر کہتا ہوں اللہ سے ڈرو اللہ سے ڈرو میرے صحابہ کے معاملہ میں‘ ان کو میرے بعد ہدفِ تنقید نہ بنانا‘ کیونکہ جس نے ان سے محبت کی تو میری محبت کی بنا پر اور جس نے ان سے بدظنی کی تو مجھ سے بدظنی کی بناپر‘ جس نے ان کو ایذادی اس نے مجھے ایذادی اور جس نے مجھے ایذادی اس نے اللہ کو ایذا دی اور جس نے اللہ کو ایذا دی تو قریب ہے کہ اللہ اسے پکڑلے“۔


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:46 AM

wohi to bhai main jaanna chah raha hun k kya un k naamo ka koi taarekh main ziker milta hai.. kis qabeelay su taluk tha unka

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:49 AM

ye he bat alfaarooq page number 85 per bhi mojood hai k jis waqat nabi s a w ny wafaat paai us waqat madina main kaseer taadad main munaafeqeen mojood thy?? who were thy??

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:55 AM

 inaam07, on 28 February 2013 - 09:49 AM, said:

ye he bat alfaarooq page number 85 per bhi mojood hai k jis waqat nabi s a w ny wafaat paai us waqat madina main kaseer taadad main munaafeqeen mojood thy?? who were thy??

they were followers of Ibn abi sulool ,
un ke liye tareekh Ibn kaseer perh len on mai en ke nam milte hain. ....

Aik baat jo yaad rakhne ki hai woo ye kha Muhajireen woo Ansar mai se koe Munafq nahe tha oper mai ne ayat pesh ki hai os ke saboot mai (ye yaad rakhen kha ansar unhen kehte hain jnhoon ne dil khol Muhajreen ki madad ki ) aur phr madina mai dosre qisam ke log woo the joo Ansar es aqdam se on se jalti the aur unhen bura kehte the........... on ka raees Ibn abi sulool tha.

Aap thori se takleef karen tareekh etc perh len.

Edited by Servant-of-Sahaba, 28 February 2013 - 09:58 AM.

Sayyidina Umar said, ‘Our chief Abu Bakr (RA) is the best of us and was the dearest of all of us to Allah’s Messenger.” ۔-
Sayyidina Abdullah bin masood said Umar’s acceptance of Islam was victory of Islam, his migration was divine Help his Caliphate was divine Mercy-----
Sayyidina Abdullah ibn Abbas Al hashmi says if everyone would agree on the murder of Hazrat Usman then stone  pouring down from the sky ---
Sayyidina Umar ra said Congratulations to you, O Ali after today you are friend of every believer , He said If Ali was not there, Umar would have perished.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:35 AM

 inaam07, on 28 February 2013 - 09:49 AM, said:

ye he bat alfaarooq page number 85 per bhi mojood hai k jis waqat nabi s a w ny wafaat paai us waqat madina main kaseer taadad main munaafeqeen mojood thy?? who were thy??

1- Jo ghazwaat se bhagte rahay
2- Jinke Gharon me rasool(s) k khilaf planning hoti thi
3- Jo Rasool(s) ka mazaak uratay thay
4- Jinho ne Rasool(s) ko Aqabah k maqam pe qatal karne ki koshish ki
5- Jinho ne "Lashkar e Usama" me shamil hone pe etraaz kiya
6- Jinho ne Rasool(s) ko kaghaz kalam dene se inkaar kiya aur kaha k Rasool(s) ka dimagh kaam nai kar raha..(astaghfirallah- nauzubillah)

history aur Hadees se in logon k naam dhund lo, pata chal jae ga k munafiqeen kon thay...

Edited by goharjanjua, 28 February 2013 - 10:36 AM.

What i have noticed during my research at different sects is that there is still a Khariji element present within the AhlalSunnah and a Rafizi element within the AhlalTasshayyu.......The huge khariji influence on one side and rafazi influence on other side has created a cloud over the true path. Many sheeps who want to be a better muslim are led away from true path because of the clouds of confusions and hate !!!!

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:13 AM

 goharjanjua, on 28 February 2013 - 10:35 AM, said:

 inaam07, on 28 February 2013 - 09:49 AM, said:

ye he bat alfaarooq page number 85 per bhi mojood hai k jis waqat nabi s a w ny wafaat paai us waqat madina main kaseer taadad main munaafeqeen mojood thy?? who were thy??

1- Jo ghazwaat se bhagte rahay
2- Jinke Gharon me rasool(s) k khilaf planning hoti thi
3- Jo Rasool(s) ka mazaak uratay thay
4- Jinho ne Rasool(s) ko Aqabah k maqam pe qatal karne ki koshish ki
5- Jinho ne "Lashkar e Usama" me shamil hone pe etraaz kiya
6- Jinho ne Rasool(s) ko kaghaz kalam dene se inkaar kiya aur kaha k Rasool(s) ka dimagh kaam nai kar raha..(astaghfirallah- nauzubillah)

history aur Hadees se in logon k naam dhund lo, pata chal jae ga k munafiqeen kon thay...

nahe aap ne bilkul ghalat andaza lagay lia hai, Quran aisa nahe kehta ,

phr Ye joo ayat munafqeen jin ke bare mai nazil hoe on ka nam kutub tareekh woo tafaseer mai mil jate hain , joo ye hain

Abdullah ibn abi sulool , wajad bin qayes , al jalas , maa'tab , jaheena ,mazeena ,  Ashjaa , Aslam , Ghaffar ,abu aamir rahib.

joo red kiye hai ye en ke leaders the , joo zaida mashoor hain.....

App khuwamakhah jis taraf ilzam laga rahe hain woo aap sabit nahe ker sakte ...... ager ker sakte hain tu bismillah start........ lets see kha aap kia late hain
Sayyidina Umar said, ‘Our chief Abu Bakr (RA) is the best of us and was the dearest of all of us to Allah’s Messenger.” ۔-
Sayyidina Abdullah bin masood said Umar’s acceptance of Islam was victory of Islam, his migration was divine Help his Caliphate was divine Mercy-----
Sayyidina Abdullah ibn Abbas Al hashmi says if everyone would agree on the murder of Hazrat Usman then stone  pouring down from the sky ---
Sayyidina Umar ra said Congratulations to you, O Ali after today you are friend of every believer , He said If Ali was not there, Umar would have perished.


Defense of Sahaba


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:14 PM

is ny jitnay bhi ilzaam lagaay han un sb k topics mojood han
http://islamic-forum...showtopic=18656

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:17 PM

 Servant-of-Sahaba, on 28 February 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:


phr Ye joo ayat munafqeen jin ke bare mai nazil hoe on ka nam kutub tareekh woo tafaseer mai mil jate hain , joo ye hain

Abdullah ibn abi sulool , wajad bin qayes , al jalas , maa'tab , jaheena ,mazeena ,  Ashjaa , Aslam , Ghaffar ,abu aamir rahib.

joo red kiye hai ye en ke leaders the , joo zaida mashoor hain.....


han bhai i agree, ye bhi un sab me shamil hain...:)

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App khuwamakhah jis taraf ilzam laga rahe hain woo aap sabit nahe ker sakte ...... ager ker sakte hain tu bismillah start........ lets see kha aap kia late hain

yar is se discussion lambi ho jae gi...
upr di gai list k liye channd naam btata hu..

Jinke Gharon me rasool(s) k khilaf planning hoti thi - yaani AbuSufyaan
Jo Rasool(s) ka mazaak uratay thay - yaani Marwan aur usk baap Hakam
Jinho ne Rasool(s) ko Aqabah k maqam pe qatal karne ki koshish ki - 12 ya14 logon k naam hz.Huzayfa aur Hz.Ammar ko Rasool(s) ne btae thay....
"Lashkar e Usama" me shamil hone pe etraaz aur Rasool(s) ko kaghaz kalam dene se inkaar karna aur kehna k Rasool(s) ka dimagh kaam nai kar raha....... munafiqat nahin to aur kya hai...??? Hukm e Rasool ko na mano aur Rasool ki insult karo, phi bhi aap sahib e eeman raho ge?
What i have noticed during my research at different sects is that there is still a Khariji element present within the AhlalSunnah and a Rafizi element within the AhlalTasshayyu.......The huge khariji influence on one side and rafazi influence on other side has created a cloud over the true path. Many sheeps who want to be a better muslim are led away from true path because of the clouds of confusions and hate !!!!

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:36 PM

 goharjanjua, on 28 February 2013 - 12:17 PM, said:

 Servant-of-Sahaba, on 28 February 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:

phr Ye joo ayat munafqeen jin ke bare mai nazil hoe on ka nam kutub tareekh woo tafaseer mai mil jate hain , joo ye hain

Abdullah ibn abi sulool , wajad bin qayes , al jalas , maa'tab , jaheena ,mazeena ,  Ashjaa , Aslam , Ghaffar ,abu aamir rahib.

joo red kiye hai ye en ke leaders the , joo zaida mashoor hain.....


han bhai i agree, ye bhi un sab me shamil hain...:)

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App khuwamakhah jis taraf ilzam laga rahe hain woo aap sabit nahe ker sakte ...... ager ker sakte hain tu bismillah start........ lets see kha aap kia late hain

yar is se discussion lambi ho jae gi...
upr di gai list k liye channd naam btata hu..

Jinke Gharon me rasool(s) k khilaf planning hoti thi - yaani AbuSufyaan
Jo Rasool(s) ka mazaak uratay thay - yaani Marwan aur usk baap Hakam
Jinho ne Rasool(s) ko Aqabah k maqam pe qatal karne ki koshish ki - 12 ya14 logon k naam hz.Huzayfa aur Hz.Ammar ko Rasool(s) ne btae thay....
"Lashkar e Usama" me shamil hone pe etraaz aur Rasool(s) ko kaghaz kalam dene se inkaar karna aur kehna k Rasool(s) ka dimagh kaam nai kar raha....... munafiqat nahin to aur kya hai...??? Hukm e Rasool ko na mano aur Rasool ki insult karo, phi bhi aap sahib e eeman raho ge?

Es Tarah ka Aitraz Jafer Bin Abi Talib ra ne bhe kia tha Zayed bin harith per, khair , ye alag alag topics hain  , aap chayeen  tu bolded parts per bare bare discussion ho sakti hai per, os ka faida nahe hai ......

Wa Salam Alaikum
Sayyidina Umar said, ‘Our chief Abu Bakr (RA) is the best of us and was the dearest of all of us to Allah’s Messenger.” ۔-
Sayyidina Abdullah bin masood said Umar’s acceptance of Islam was victory of Islam, his migration was divine Help his Caliphate was divine Mercy-----
Sayyidina Abdullah ibn Abbas Al hashmi says if everyone would agree on the murder of Hazrat Usman then stone  pouring down from the sky ---
Sayyidina Umar ra said Congratulations to you, O Ali after today you are friend of every believer , He said If Ali was not there, Umar would have perished.


Defense of Sahaba


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:54 PM

 goharjanjua, on 28 February 2013 - 12:17 PM, said:

 Servant-of-Sahaba, on 28 February 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:

phr Ye joo ayat munafqeen jin ke bare mai nazil hoe on ka nam kutub tareekh woo tafaseer mai mil jate hain , joo ye hain

Abdullah ibn abi sulool , wajad bin qayes , al jalas , maa'tab , jaheena ,mazeena ,  Ashjaa , Aslam , Ghaffar ,abu aamir rahib.

joo red kiye hai ye en ke leaders the , joo zaida mashoor hain.....


han bhai i agree, ye bhi un sab me shamil hain...:)

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App khuwamakhah jis taraf ilzam laga rahe hain woo aap sabit nahe ker sakte ...... ager ker sakte hain tu bismillah start........ lets see kha aap kia late hain

yar is se discussion lambi ho jae gi...
upr di gai list k liye channd naam btata hu..

Jinke Gharon me rasool(s) k khilaf planning hoti thi - yaani AbuSufyaan
Abu Sufyan r.a ny fatah Makka k mauqa per Islam Qabool kr liya tha. Aur Jub koi Banda islam Qabool kr ley aur Nabi e Akram :Muhammad[S.A.W.W]:  Qabool frma len to is sy barh kr kisi k liye Izzat ka Maqam kia ho ga?
Jo Rasool(s) ka mazaak uratay thay - yaani Marwan aur usk baap Hakam
Kia Marwan ny mazaq Uraya tha? any Proof?
Jinho ne Rasool(s) ko Aqabah k maqam pe qatal karne ki koshish ki
koshish ki Munafqeen ny  beshak magar un ma koi Sahabi nai tha-
12 ya14 logon k naam hz.Huzayfa aur Hz.Ammar ko Rasool(s) ne btae thay....
Munafiqon k name btaye they kisi Sahabi ka to nai btaya tha.:P
"Lashkar e Usama" me shamil hone pe etraaz
Kisi Sahabi ko shamil hony py nahi tha ehtraz aur agar bilfarz kisi ny koi mashwra diya to iska hr giz matlab nai ho sakta ko wo Munafiq hai. Mashwra ,raaay'e aur ehtraz  ma farq karna seekhen :
aur Rasool(s) ko kaghaz kalam dene se inkaar karna
Dard ki shiddat ma na deny ki Raay'e thi koi qable ehtraz bat nahi hai aur na is sy koi munafiq sabit hota hai:P
aur kehna k Rasool(s) ka dimagh kaam nai kar raha.
Sara Sar Ilzam.. Haqeeqat sy koson door
...... munafiqat nahin to aur kya hai...??? Hukm e Rasool ko na mano aur Rasool ki insult karo, phi bhi aap sahib e eeman raho ge?


The steadfastness of Abu Bakr’s character and faith in Islam was demonstrated when the Prophet SAW made a night journey from Mecca to Jerusalem and then ascended to Heaven and returned.Abu Bakr ra was steadfast and he understood that with Allah, anything is possible. His faith was strong and unshaken. He reaffirmed the Prophet’s SAW statements and said that “If he (the Prophet SAW) said so, then he has told the truth. I have believed him in what is more distant (to reason) that that, of divine information.”It was this incident that gave him the nickname As-Siddiq (the truthful).

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 03:19 PM

 Muhammad Habib, on 28 February 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

Abu Sufyan r.a ny fatah Makka k mauqa per Islam Qabool kr liya tha. Aur Jub koi Banda islam Qabool kr ley aur Nabi e Akram :Muhammad[S.A.W.W]:  Qabool frma len to is sy barh kr kisi k liye Izzat ka Maqam kia ho ga?
islam qabool kar liya = sahabi ho gaya = tamam gunah maaf kar diye gaye???
Islam qabool karne k baad :

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O Children of Umayyah! Now that this kingdom has come to you, play with it as the children play with a ball, and pass it from one to another in your clan. We are not sure whether there is a paradise or hell, but this kingdom is a reality
Al-Isti'ab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, v4, p1679.
Sharh Ibn Abil Hadid, v9, p53

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By him in whose name Abu Sufyan swears, there is neither punishment nor reckoning, neither Garden nor Fire, neither Resurrection nor Day of Judgment!

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Hazrat Hamzah ki qabr pe jaa kusko thokar mari aur kaha:

O Abu Ya'la! See that the kingdom which you fought against has finally come back to us.
Sharh Ibn Abil Hadid, v16, p136
to jo shaks pehle kuch aur ho and baad me kuch aur ... usi ko munafiq kehte hain...us ne Islam qabool kiya- us waqt Musalmanon k lashkar se darr kar kiya- sirf hakumat k peechay...


 Muhammad Habib, on 28 February 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

Kia Marwan ny mazaq Uraya tha? any Proof?
Marwan ka baap Hakam - aik munafiq insaan tha.... uski history se aap waqif ho..
baad me uske bete Marwan ki harkaton se bhi aap waqif ho...
ye wohi log hain jinko quran me "shajra e Maloonah" k naam se pukara gaya...
even Bibi Ayesha ne kaha:

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About the verse of 'the accursed tree' Suyuti has quoted Ayesha that she addressed Marwan thus, "I have heard the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.) saying about your father and grandfather that "You are the accursed tree" (Tafsire-Durrul-Mansur, vol. 4, pg. 1919)
According to another narrative, Ayesha told Marwan, "God cursed your father while you were still in his loins, hence you too are included among the accursed men". (Tafseere-Qurtubbi, p. 390, Tafseere-Kabir, vol.2, p. 238)


 Muhammad Habib, on 28 February 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

koshish ki Munafqeen ny  beshak magar un ma koi Sahabi nai tha-
Munafiqon k name btaye they kisi Sahabi ka to nai btaya tha.:P
to munafeqeen koi chaand se to nai aye the naa. ..!!! unhi Sahaba me mojud thay...

 Muhammad Habib, on 28 February 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

Kisi Sahabi ko shamil hony py nahi tha ehtraz aur agar bilfarz kisi ny koi mashwra diya to iska hr giz matlab nai ho sakta ko wo Munafiq hai. Mashwra ,raaay'e aur ehtraz  ma farq karna seekhen :
Rasool(s) k order k agay apna ijtehaad GHALAT hai.... agar un me Rasool(s) ki mohabbat o ita'at hoti to kabhi esa na karte...
aur wese bhi, Saqeefa me jo hua, uske liye wahan madinah me hazir hona bhi zaruri tha :)
Naa aap Rasool(s) ko mashwara de sakte ho, na etraaz kar sakte ho !!!
kiu k ye quran ka hukm hai k "jo kuch Rasool(s) de, wo le lo" -- aur "rasool(s) k agay apni awaz unchi na karo, ye na ho tumharay a'amaal zayah ho jaen"... sirf awaz unchi karne se a'amaal zayah hotay hain to jo inho ne kiya us se kuch nai hota?? SubhanALLAH

 Muhammad Habib, on 28 February 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

Dard ki shiddat ma na deny ki Raay'e thi koi qable ehtraz bat nahi hai aur na is sy koi munafiq sabit hota hai:P
Ye Rasool(s) ka hukm tha.... uske agay apni chalana - nafarmani hai !!! apke liye qabil e etraaz nai hai to koi bari baat nai... kiu apke liye wo sab se afzal sahabi hain... akhir Rasool(s) k baad agr koi hota to yehi nabi hona tha !!

 Muhammad Habib, on 28 February 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

aur kehna k Rasool(s) ka dimagh kaam nai kar raha.
Sara Sar Ilzam.. Haqeeqat sy koson door
zara ahadees ki kitaben dubara parho - english urdu nahin, arabic me...
wahan jo alfaaz istemaal hue hain unka matlab hai k Rasool(s) ''apne hosh me nahin" ....
hosh me na hona = bad hawasi = deewangi = Hizyaan = dimagh kaam na karna....
is se zyada badtameezi kya ho gi??
What i have noticed during my research at different sects is that there is still a Khariji element present within the AhlalSunnah and a Rafizi element within the AhlalTasshayyu.......The huge khariji influence on one side and rafazi influence on other side has created a cloud over the true path. Many sheeps who want to be a better muslim are led away from true path because of the clouds of confusions and hate !!!!

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:33 PM

lagta he aj doc sb imam bara se ho ker ayen hen.....hahahahahaha zakir ki taqreer ka kafi  aser hua he..
Asalatu asalamu aliaka Ya Rasool Allah
Waala Alika wa Ashabika Ya Habeeb Allah

قیس بن ابی حازم رضی اﷲ عنہ سے روایت ہے کہ ایک دن حضرت ابوبکر رضی اﷲ عنہ حضرت علی رضی اﷲ عنہ چہرے کی طرف دیکھ کر مسکرانے لگے۔
حضرت علی رضی اﷲ عنہ نے پوچھا‘ آپ کیوں مسکرا رہے ہیں؟
سیدنا ابوبکر رضی اﷲ عنہ نے فرمایا‘ ’’ میں نے آقا ومولیٰ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کو یہ فرماتے ہوئے سنا ہے کہ پل صراط پر سے صرف وہی گزر کر جنت میں جائے گا جس کو علی وہاں سے گزرنے کا پروانہ دیں گے۔‘‘
اس پر سیدنا علی رضی اﷲ عنہ ہنسنے لگے اور فرمایا‘ اے ابوبکر ! آپ کو بشارت ہو۔ میرے آقا ومولیٰ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے یہ بھی فرمایا ہے کہ (اے علی!) پل صراط پر سے گزرنے کا پروانہ صرف اسی کو دینا جس کے دل میں ابوبکر کی محبت ہو۔‘‘
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:54 PM

 goharjanjua, on 28 February 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

 Muhammad Habib, on 28 February 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

Abu Sufyan r.a ny fatah Makka k mauqa per Islam Qabool kr liya tha. Aur Jub koi Banda islam Qabool kr ley aur Nabi e Akram :Muhammad[S.A.W.W]:  Qabool frma len to is sy barh kr kisi k liye Izzat ka Maqam kia ho ga?
islam qabool kar liya = sahabi ho gaya = tamam gunah maaf kar diye gaye???
Islam qabool karne k baad :
Ji Bilkul Koi Shak??

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O Children of Umayyah! Now that this kingdom has come to you, play with it as the children play with a ball, and pass it from one to another in your clan. We are not sure whether there is a paradise or hell, but this kingdom is a reality
Al-Isti'ab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, v4, p1679.
Sharh Ibn Abil Hadid, v9, p53
Shia Motzilli.. Not accepted ap ko ye rwayat Saheeh aur Mustanad sabit krni pary gi.. :P

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By him in whose name Abu Sufyan swears, there is neither punishment nor reckoning, neither Garden nor Fire, neither Resurrection nor Day of Judgment!

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Hazrat Hamzah ki qabr pe jaa kusko thokar mari aur kaha:

O Abu Ya'la! See that the kingdom which you fought against has finally come back to us.
Sharh Ibn Abil Hadid, v16, p136
Shia Motzilli iski rwayat kahan Ahlesunnat py Hujjat ho sakti hai
to jo shaks pehle kuch aur ho and baad me kuch aur ... usi ko munafiq kehte hain...us ne Islam qabool kiya- us waqt Musalmanon k lashkar se darr kar kiya- sirf hakumat k peechay...
Bhai apko to Munafiq ki definition hi nai pata.. Kia kehny ap k.. zara apni is Khud sakhta tareef py koi daleel to lao..
Arey Bhai Sabit to kro K wo pehly kuch aur they bad ma kuch aur?? q thak rahy ho???

 Muhammad Habib, on 28 February 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

Kia Marwan ny mazaq Uraya tha? any Proof?
Marwan ka baap Hakam - aik munafiq insaan tha.... uski history se aap waqif ho..
Un k liye Hazrat usman r.a ny sifarsh frmai thi Aaqa s.a.w.w sy ap tohfa asna ashri ma Iska mudallal jawab parh sakty ho..
baad me uske bete Marwan ki harkaton se bhi aap waqif ho...Ap ny sabit krna hai k Us ny Nabi a.s ki shan ma Gustakhi ki..
ye wohi log hain jinko quran me "shajra e Maloonah" k naam se pukara gaya...
even Bibi Ayesha ne kaha:
Ary Bhai authenticity to Sabit kro.. k Munafiq they aur shajar e maloona they.. without authenticity na na na..

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About the verse of 'the accursed tree' Suyuti has quoted Ayesha that she addressed Marwan thus, "I have heard the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.) saying about your father and grandfather that "You are the accursed tree" (Tafsire-Durrul-Mansur, vol. 4, pg. 1919)
According to another narrative, Ayesha told Marwan, "God cursed your father while you were still in his loins, hence you too are included among the accursed men". (Tafseere-Qurtubbi, p. 390, Tafseere-Kabir, vol.2, p. 238)


 Muhammad Habib, on 28 February 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

koshish ki Munafqeen ny  beshak magar un ma koi Sahabi nai tha-
Munafiqon k name btaye they kisi Sahabi ka to nai btaya tha.:P
to munafeqeen koi chaand se to nai aye the naa. ..!!! unhi Sahaba me mojud thay...

 Muhammad Habib, on 28 February 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

Kisi Sahabi ko shamil hony py nahi tha ehtraz aur agar bilfarz kisi ny koi mashwra diya to iska hr giz matlab nai ho sakta ko wo Munafiq hai. Mashwra ,raaay'e aur ehtraz  ma farq karna seekhen :
Rasool(s) k order k agay apna ijtehaad GHALAT hai.... agar un me Rasool(s) ki mohabbat o ita'at hoti to kabhi esa na karte...
aur wese bhi, Saqeefa me jo hua, uske liye wahan madinah me hazir hona bhi zaruri tha :)
Naa aap Rasool(s) ko mashwara de sakte ho, na etraaz kar sakte ho !!!
kiu k ye quran ka hukm hai k "jo kuch Rasool(s) de, wo le lo" -- aur "rasool(s) k agay apni awaz unchi na karo, ye na ho tumharay a'amaal zayah ho jaen"... sirf awaz unchi karne se a'amaal zayah hotay hain to jo inho ne kiya us se kuch nai hota?? SubhanALLAH

 Muhammad Habib, on 28 February 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

Dard ki shiddat ma na deny ki Raay'e thi koi qable ehtraz bat nahi hai aur na is sy koi munafiq sabit hota hai:P
Ye Rasool(s) ka hukm tha....
Ye Hukam Hazrat Ali r.a aur ahle Bayat ko tha(Ahmed) to Kia ahle bayat ny Inkar kr diya Nabi k hukam k agy???
uske agay apni chalana - nafarmani hai !!! apke liye qabil e etraaz nai hai to koi bari baat nai...Agar aisa hoa hota to Hazrat Ali r.a unhen hi apni beti Nikah ma de dety.. kamal krty ho Janjua ji
kiu apke liye wo sab se afzal sahabi hain... akhir Rasool(s) k baad agr koi hota to yehi nabi hona tha !!
Koi shak

 Muhammad Habib, on 28 February 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

aur kehna k Rasool(s) ka dimagh kaam nai kar raha.
Sara Sar Ilzam.. Haqeeqat sy koson door
zara ahadees ki kitaben dubara parho - english urdu nahin, arabic me...
wahan jo alfaaz istemaal hue hain unka matlab hai k Rasool(s) ''apne hosh me nahin" ....
hosh me na hona = bad hawasi = deewangi = Hizyaan = dimagh kaam na karna....
Ji jnab Parha hai.. Wasal/judai/k maani mai hai ya istfhamiya hai ..
is se zyada badtameezi kya ho gi??
Kia ye kehna k Kia tum log ye samjhty ho k Nabi :Muhammad[S.A.W.W]: Hum sy juda hony waly hain?? is main kia bad tameezi hai..
Kia sahaba ma munafiq they Aiik Sunni aalim ka Aik Shia ko jawab:P
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The steadfastness of Abu Bakr’s character and faith in Islam was demonstrated when the Prophet SAW made a night journey from Mecca to Jerusalem and then ascended to Heaven and returned.Abu Bakr ra was steadfast and he understood that with Allah, anything is possible. His faith was strong and unshaken. He reaffirmed the Prophet’s SAW statements and said that “If he (the Prophet SAW) said so, then he has told the truth. I have believed him in what is more distant (to reason) that that, of divine information.”It was this incident that gave him the nickname As-Siddiq (the truthful).





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