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I was recently going through some shia site and some thing struck me, we always debate with shia as to why the call upon Hz. Ali[ra] in time of need "YA ALI MADAD" and they try to explain it as "TAWASSUL" which according to our beliefs is shirk, let us for now accept shia are telling us the truth and not practising "TAQEEYAH" there is one thing which we never brought forward.
"ALI AKBAR" NOT "ALLAH AKBAR"
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"YA ALI MADAD" explained as "TAWASSUL"
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, Jan 04 2006 08:45 PM
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Posted 05 January 2006 - 04:42 PM
Fatah-Momin, on Jan 4 2006, 02:45 PM, said:
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I was recently going through some shia site and some thing struck me, we always debate with shia as to why the call upon Hz. Ali[ra] in time of need "YA ALI MADAD" and they try to explain it as "TAWASSUL" which according to our beliefs is shirk, let us for now accept shia are telling us the truth and not practising "TAQEEYAH" there is one thing which we never brought forward.
"ALI AKBAR" NOT "ALLAH AKBAR"
We ask shia what is this?
"ALI AKBAR" NOT "ALLAH AKBAR"
We ask shia what is this?
Can you please state what your question is?.. I didn't understand your post.. wassalaamun alaikum
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Posted 05 January 2006 - 07:03 PM
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Posted 06 January 2006 - 02:56 AM
Theres a famous shia temple in my area and I talked to someone before. Their speaker was telling the shia not to call upon Imams too much. It is odd that he says this if it is suppose to be halal, it seems like some shias are seeing the shirk within their beliefs but are not brave enough to reject shirk and speak out against it.
'One of the signs of Ahl us-sunnah is their love for the aa'immah of the Sunnah, the scholars, its friends and allies. They show enmity to the leaders of bid'ah, who are calling to hell and leading its followers to the place of failure. Indeed Allah, the One Free from all deficiencies, has adorned the hearts of ahl us-sunnah and englightened them by instilling a love for the scholars as a favour from Him, The Most Majestic' Aboo Uthmaan ismaa'eel ibn Abdur Rahmaan as-Saaboonee(d449) in his work (The Creed of the people of Hadeeth)
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Posted 06 January 2006 - 08:48 PM
Fatah-Momin, on Jan 5 2006, 01:03 PM, said:
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Are you not the one who say "Ali Akbar"
That is the NAME of one of the sons of Hadrat Imam Hussain(as)... In this context it would mean the elder Ali... the other son was named Ali Asghar (the younger Ali)... wassalaamun alaikum
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Posted 10 January 2006 - 06:17 PM
foolish, dont shia have the right to better themselves, the scholar was suggesting the overuse of it to be cut dwon, as to you evrything is seen as a sin, his call wasin order to comply with those who call evryhting a sin.
just like within the your sect you hace extremist who epfrom mistakes, take it the other way round, at least we realise our bad points...shame it isnt contageous
just like within the your sect you hace extremist who epfrom mistakes, take it the other way round, at least we realise our bad points...shame it isnt contageous
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