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#1 abbasi_umvi

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Posted 20 February 2006 - 10:52 AM

Well

Plz

app mujhay Hazrat Abu Bakr ke Date of Birth tu batain with sahi-sita or moaatbaar

books reference....


i don't know his date of birth...

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Posted 20 February 2006 - 11:10 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr

According to the Above, he was born two years after the birth of the prophet http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image008.gif 573 AD - And died 2 years after the death of the prophet http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image008.gif 634 AD

However, i did not find an exact date of his bith. The exact date of his death is given.

August 23, 634

Wasalamu Alaikum
Please approach each other with an open heart and armed with the etiqutes of our prophet (saw) and successors (ra) :
My Message to all:

Ali (ra) accepted the Khilafah of Abu Bakr (ra) , Umar (ra) and Uthman (ra) - They accepted him as their greatest advisor.

The prophet (saw) accepted Abu Bakr (ra) and Umar (ra) as father-in-laws and Uthman (ra) and Ali (ra) as son-in-laws.

All accepted by Mohammad (saw) and Ali (ra), but rejected by the 'followers' of Mohammad (saw) and Ali (ra).

Allah (swt) accepted Mohammad (saw) as his best and final seel of the prophets.

He trusted his Prophet's judgement while you people claim the people most loved by the prophet Deviants?


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Posted 21 February 2006 - 03:44 AM

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No No Brother plz plz tell me the exact date of Birth of Abu Bakar and don't tell me

that he born befor Hazrat Mohammad (p.b.u.h)....

Give me the Correct date of Birth i Challange to all Sunni and wahbbies....

give reference with authantic proof.....

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 05:56 AM

Authentic proof of what? if ameerul momineen hz. Abu Bakr Al-Siddique[ra] was born or not? Brother just gave you dates and what he state is authentic.

Why do you not give me the proof that if incident of Karbala occured on 10th of Muharram? remember that Hz. Hussain[ra] left Makkah after 9 Duhijjah, it must be after eid day, he travelled more than 1300 miles with a whole caravan of women and children and then meeting people on the way making allainces with Arab tribes and then waiting fo the new from Muslim Bin Aqueel, he did all this in less then twenty days, including meeting with the army of Hur and then arriving at Karbala on 1st of Muharram. Now go and challenge all your zakirs to prove this travel actually occured as they propogate within the time the claim.

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 08:07 AM

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No No Brother plz plz tell me the exact date of Birth of Abu Bakar and don't tell me

that he born befor Hazrat Mohammad (p.b.u.h)....

Give me the Correct date of Birth i Challange to all Sunni and wahbbies....

give reference with authantic proof.....

Subhanallah...What for bro?

Do you know the exact birth date of the all the prophets mentioned in the Quran?

Never mind my question, I'd like to see your response to Fatah-Momin's unanswered question...
Please approach each other with an open heart and armed with the etiqutes of our prophet (saw) and successors (ra) :
My Message to all:

Ali (ra) accepted the Khilafah of Abu Bakr (ra) , Umar (ra) and Uthman (ra) - They accepted him as their greatest advisor.

The prophet (saw) accepted Abu Bakr (ra) and Umar (ra) as father-in-laws and Uthman (ra) and Ali (ra) as son-in-laws.

All accepted by Mohammad (saw) and Ali (ra), but rejected by the 'followers' of Mohammad (saw) and Ali (ra).

Allah (swt) accepted Mohammad (saw) as his best and final seel of the prophets.

He trusted his Prophet's judgement while you people claim the people most loved by the prophet Deviants?


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Posted 21 February 2006 - 08:31 AM

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Brother first of all  i m talking about Hazrat Abu Bakar not Hazrat Imam Hussain http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image019.gif

remember it.........


I want to say that tell me the Date of Birth like Hazrat Imam Ali http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image019.gif . for example:

The Date of  Birth of Hazrat Imam Ali http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image019.gif  is (13 rajab 30 ammul-feel) give me as  the proof of the Birth of Hazrat Abu Bakar... Understand or not......

Secondly, if u give me the proof from authantic books then talk on other topics with me..

1st u proof ur Ammer-ul-moomenin Hazrat Abu Bakar Sadeqq Date of Birth....

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 09:01 AM

What for? What do we benefit from the birthdate of our Khalifa (ra) ?

Would we celebrate his birthday? Would we get rewarded for knowing the EXACT birth date of a person? Show me where in the Quran and Sunnah it is important for us to know a person's exact birth date...

I am sure if you journeyed to an Islamic Library and asked for a biography of Abu bakr (ra), you will not be disappointed...Why dont I do it you ask? Dont have the time.

Ok, it seems you have a knock out blow you are eager to deliver when we say we dont have a clue about his exact brithdate, come on already, we dont have the time for games. We must unite and come to an understanding before time is up and any of us die on the path of the Shaytaan.

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The Date of Birth of Hazrat Imam Ali (ra) is (13 rajab 30 ammul-feel)
May Allah Bless the GREAT KHALIF (ra)! Great, we know the exact birthdate of Ali (ra)................................................................................................................................................Whats the point!?

Wasalaamu Alaikum
Please approach each other with an open heart and armed with the etiqutes of our prophet (saw) and successors (ra) :
My Message to all:

Ali (ra) accepted the Khilafah of Abu Bakr (ra) , Umar (ra) and Uthman (ra) - They accepted him as their greatest advisor.

The prophet (saw) accepted Abu Bakr (ra) and Umar (ra) as father-in-laws and Uthman (ra) and Ali (ra) as son-in-laws.

All accepted by Mohammad (saw) and Ali (ra), but rejected by the 'followers' of Mohammad (saw) and Ali (ra).

Allah (swt) accepted Mohammad (saw) as his best and final seel of the prophets.

He trusted his Prophet's judgement while you people claim the people most loved by the prophet Deviants?


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Posted 22 February 2006 - 05:51 AM

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The Date of Birth of Hazrat Imam Ali  is (13 rajab 30 ammul-feel) give me as the proof of the Birth of Hazrat Abu Bakar... Understand or not......

Provied irrefutable proof of this. And also answer my question.

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 07:22 AM

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hey hey

well ok i will give u proof from ur books understand.....

otherwise u gv me proof 1st...

i know that u never find any proof of his birth in any book.....

it means that Muslims don't know the Birth of there 1st calipha oh hoo....

it means that there personality is not soo important that the writer of that time

tell us about there previous time ..... oh i remember they are Kafir 40 years....m i right...

ok ok kia aub mere iss baat per iktafa kerte hoo or nahi.....

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 07:34 AM

abbasi_umvi said:

it means that Muslims don't know the Birth of there 1st calipha oh hoo....


Sayfullah said:

August 23, 634

It appears to much mataam this muharram had effect on you, and you are the one who said wait I am comming, you came and busted with a whimper....and yes we are muslims and you are a shia.
Now if you have some thing to debate with let us hear it, do not go aroound like a stubborn brat denying the facts.
Let me ask you a question if you answer it I will not debate with you any more. Tell us alll here how far is "FORT KHYBAR" from Medina, and which gate did Hz. Ali http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image009.gif  lifted, also please tell who is known as Fatah-e-Khyber.
Now we have two questions under this thread that you have answer, I hope like your father you will not run off, but like a true shia stay here and defend your imams.

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 08:01 AM

i think that this is his death date not his birth date

( However, i did not find an exact date of his bith. The exact date of his death is given.

August 23, 634 (Sayfullah)  )


read it carefully..... which sayfullah told us.....

hey hey

u say to me that :

" I hope like your father you will not run off, but like a true shia stay here and defend your imams. "

hey u attack on my Imam's its soo bad for u that u call ur and ur calipha's death

from my hand... oh no... from ur writer's hand....

i will inshallah give u proof with reference from ur books.. now u happy...

i will see u and also tell u that who run from battle's..... and who not and fight against

kafirs....

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 02:46 PM

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i will see u and also tell u that who run from battle's..... and who not and fight against

kafirs....

Why do you not tell us, while you are at it tell us also how much area was under Your first imam rule, do not forget that when Hz. Uthman Al-Ghani [ra] passed away that sun did not set in his khilafate.
Now you shia claim that your first imam had super powers, so tell us how much more area did come under his[ra] influence. Was Hz. Ali Assadullah[ra] able to defeat his enemies like Hz. Ameer Mauwiyah[ra]? as according to shia hz. Mauwiyah[ra] was a coward [naouzobillah].

YOu must be new on the internet, the issues you think are some big and new finds by you are lies propogated by shia.

Let me give you a news which I think you did not hear, the one of the greatest General of all time is Hz. Khallid bin Waleed Saifullah[ra] he crushed your fore fathers Majoosies[persian empire], a common soldier killed the mightiest Majoosi General "Rustam" like a dog on 10th of muharram, this is the reason that shia celebrate 10th of muharrum as mataam day.

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Posted 23 February 2006 - 05:34 AM

HADITH

Hazrat Mohmmad (p.b.u.h) said that: Ali a.s koo woo dost nahi rakh sakta joo Harami hoo ga Oer Ali a.s koo woo Dushman(enemy) nahi rakh sakta joo Halali hoo ga.
( Note: this Hadith ravi is Hazrat Abu Bakar and this Hadith is in Riaz-ul-Nazra, Vol 2, page 189).

Note: I think that after reading this Hadith you check ur-self that ur Harami or Halali

  Now these are the proof where Date of Birth of Hazrat Ali .a.s is given in ur books and ur Molvi tell us about it

Shah-Wali-Ullah Mohaddas Dhelvi said that: Akhbar-e-motvatra saee proof hai kee Ameer-ul-Momeenin Hazrat Ali a.s Fatima binte Asad kee batan sae Kaba ke andar
13 Rajab barooz-e-juma (Friday) 30 Ammul-feel main peda(born) hoe oer Kaba
main inn kee siwa(except) koi nahi peda(born)  hoa, na inn saee phlaee naa baad
   ( Azalat-ul-Khafa)

Molvi Sadar-u-Din Ahamad Bardani write that : The birth of Hazrat Ali a.s is in
Kaba on Friday 13 Rajab 30 Ammul-feel
           ( Ravaiej-al-Mustafa, page 10, matboa matba Ahmadi kanpoor 1302 hijri )

Molvi Abdul Hameed khan Dhelvi write in Seer-ul-Khulfa   that: Tabqaat ibn-e-Saad

And Asad-ul-ghaba main hai kee: Hazrat Ali a.s Makha  main Friday 13 Rajab 30 Ammul-feel main peda(born) hoe oer App saee phale khaas Bait-ula kee chaar devarii kee andar koi bacha (baby) peda(born) nahi hoa
( Risala Molvi Dehli, jild 8,number2, 12 Shubaan 1347 hijri)

I think that its enough for u if u want to take any advice...

per yeh baat tu manoo kee tum apne calipha ke Brith apnee books saee sabit nahi ker sake tu mere books koo tu rehnee doo oer main  ne tu tumharee moliv oer books ka havala(reference) dea hai apni books ka koi reference nahi dia hai...

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Posted 23 February 2006 - 06:10 AM

Well I do not need advice from you I know what I am talking about, why do you not answer the issues here and stop with this brat behavior.

Stop telling these stories here let us discuss facts.

Edited by Fatah-Momin, 23 February 2006 - 06:11 AM.


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Posted 23 February 2006 - 09:42 AM

"Battle Of KHAYBER"

yeh battle (7 hijri) main hoe. Khayber Madina saee taqreebaan 50 mile ke doori per waqia hai. Hazrat Mohammad  1400 piadoon and 200 savaroon ka lashkar lee ker inn ke sir-koobe kee leaee ravana hoe oer (14 Safar 7 hijri) koo khayber main poonch ker mohasra kia. Khayber main Jews kee joo sab saee bari(big) phana-gha thee woo " Qila Qamoos " kee name saee famous hai.

iss battle main Hazrat Abu Bakar and HAzrat Omer jang kerne jatee tu Marhab oer Antar koo dekh ker daar ker wapas bhaag atee...
("Mustadrak-e-Hakim", "Tarikh-e-Tibri vol 3, page 93", "Tarikh-e-Ahamdi page 59" and "Shavaid-ul-Nabooat page 85" etc main write hai kee " Hazrat Omer nee apni khasiat kee thheeatt laskher-e-Islam koo buzdil kehtee oer lashkar-e-Islam oen koo buzdil kehtaa". { Note: Wah kia shaan hai Calipha kee oer kia bravery hai Subhanallah}.

* ROZA-tul-SAFA main Bab-e-Khayber ka weight 3 thousand maan bateya gia hai..

"Tibri" main hai ke Hazrat Omer said that: "keh sardari ka jesa hosla mujhay Khayber main hoa, aesa kabhi nahi hoa.". [ Note: Oh hoo sara pani phir gia soo sad]

IN Battle of Khayber after see the bravery or ( see the match of cricket of Calipha's) Hazrat Mohammad  Said that: I will give Alaam(flag of Islam) with my hands to that person who is a MAN in you{Kaal main Alaam oes person koo doon ga joo tum main saee maard(MAN) hoo ga oer Karaar oer ghair-e-Fraar hoo ga, woo Allah oer oes ke Rasool koo "Dost" rakhta hoo ga oer Allah oer Oes ka Rasool oes ko "Dost" rakhte hoon gee} "Karaar oer ghair-e-Fraar" and he friendship with the Allah and his Prophet  and Allah and his Prophet  Friendship with him. woo enemies per bhhar chaar ker Attack kerne wala hoo ga oer medan-e-jang saee iss waqat taak na paltee ga jab tak Qila-Qamoos fatha(win)  na hoo jaee.

Yesterday u said to me that don't run like ur father and now see that Who run from Battle and How......

" Battle Of Ohaad"

yeh battle 15 Shawal 3 hijri koo hoe..

In this battle HAzrat Abu Bakar and Hazrat Omer etc tu iss tarha sar per paoon raakh ker bhagee(run) kee onhoon nee palat ker bhee na Dekhake kee http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image012.gif per kia guzar rahi hai.
In Sahi-Bukhuri that: keh Hazrat Abu Bakar k and Omer kee saath Hazrat Usman bhee bhag(run) kharee hoe thee.

{"Dare-Mansoor, vol 2, page 88" and "Kanzul-Ammal, vol 1, page 238"} main hai kee Abu Bakar bhaag ker mountain ke Top(chootee) per chaar gaee thee and khud Abu Bakar ka khena hai ke main mountain ke choote(top) per iss tarha occhk raha tha jasee pharee bakari(goat)occhkati  hai.

And in this Battle of Ohad Allah give the Sword Zulfiqar to Hazrat Imam Ali  http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image019.gif  and in this battle give the saanad of " La Fata ilaa Ali " to Hazrat Ali  http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image019.gif . {" Tibri, vol 2, page 406", "Tarik-e-Kamil, Vol 2, page 58"}.


Haan now see ur Caliphas Bravery and proud that ur the follower of these Calipha's.

Shia have Proud that they r the followers of Hazrat Imam ALI a.s.

I hope kee iss ke read kerne ke baad brain apni jagha aa jaee ga jis per Wabiaat ka jin savaar hai..

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Posted 23 February 2006 - 02:35 PM

Mein nay tum say poocha hai the "Khyber" namee kila medina say kitni dur waqay hai, tareekh mein tumay bata doon ga.

How far is "Fort Khyber" from medina, the same "Fort Khyber" which was conquered by Hz. Ali[ra] according to shia history and also who is  Fatah-e-Khyber.  We will also dicuss who got which flag and how many sections of army were there that attacked the "Fort Khyber" and also who is the man, you forget to mention that Hz. Ali[ra] disrespected the Nabi Allah[saw] (naouzobillah) when Nabi Allah [saw] asked him come forth he kept on saying that I am sick.
He also refused to listen to Nabi Allah[saw] when Nabi Allah http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image012.gif  told him to stay behind and he kept on insisting to go with Nabi Allah[saw] then Nabi Allah[saw] told him that you are like a Haroon[as] was to Musa[as].

Hz. Ali[ra] also refused to listen to Nabi Allah[saw] when at Hudaibia Nabi Allah aske him to rub off "Rasool allah" from his name.

Just answer the questions and I will tell you the "MAN" is.

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 03:46 AM

"Khalid Bin Waliid

Hazrat Abu Bakar ne Khalid bin Walid koo hasoole biat ke leae iss hukm(order) kee saath ravana kia kee jab tum YAMAMA and HAZR-E-MOOT  kee  Muslims per ghalab aana oer onhain qatil(murder) kerna tu inn ke lashoon koo jala(burn) ker kee khaak ker dena. Qadioon(prisoners) oer zakhimion koo bhee moot kee ghaat utaar dena oer qatil-e-aam main koi koh-tahi na kerna oer logoon koo ibraat-naak sazaain dena.
           ( Tarikh Abu Alfaida, vol 1, page 106).


Choonache Khalid nee Abu Bakar kee iss hukam(order) kee thaait(under) 10 Thousand Muslims koo qatil (murder) kia oer tammam(all) maqtollen kee lashoon(dead bodies) koo ikk gharee main jama(add) ker kee nazar-e-ataash( burn fire) ker dia.
   ( Tarikh-e-Khumais, vol 2 , page 228 ).


Maqtooleen main 70 Hafiz-e-Quran bhee thee oer woo loog bhee thee joo Hazrat Mohammd ke taraf saee Sadqaat kee hamel thee. Hamia bin Saba ko  zinda(live) aag(fire) main jala(burn) ker maar dala gia. Malik Bin Novera koo Khalid nee qatal ker kee iss ka choola baneya oer iss main khana(food/meal) pakwa ker kheya. Jab(when) iss per insani khoon(blood) ke ammezish ka nasha savaar hoa tu iss(Khalid) nee issi raat(night) koo Malik kee soogwaar oer ghum-ghusaar bewa(wife) saee apna mhoon(face) kala(black) kia. ( it means ZANA kia ).
( Tarikh  Al-Aeyan , page 279 )

Jab Khalid bin Walid kee hum-rahi iss kee barbareeat koo daikh ker chikkah uthe            tu iss( Khalid)  nee apne sathioon koo Abu Bakar ka tehreeree-hukam-nama  dekhiya.
( Tarikh-e-Khumais , vol 2 , page 231 )


I think that U never read and see such a Real story about Ur Saif-ul-AA . Aesa Ammer oer Saif-ullah app ko hii baksha hoo waqii yeh app kee hii Ammer-ul-Momeneen hoo saktee hain joo ZANA kerte hain , Muslims ko Qatil(murder) kerte hain oer bhee bhoot kuch kertee hain baas [ Ja Tujhay Choor Dia Hafiz-e-Quran Samajh kee Warna main janab koo asee asee proof doon kee janab kee neendain uhaar jain]??????????

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 04:00 AM

Hey i think that u don't read the reply and just only read 2 or 3 lines... if u read carefully then u see that i told the distance read carefully..

oer baat jahan tak "Eyes" ke hai tu woo Hazrat ALI a.s ne nahi balkee Sahaba ne kha kee YA  http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image012.gif , Hazrat ALI a.s kee Eyes main chashm-ashoob hai...

oer 2nd baat ke Sulha-Hudebia kee baat ke hai tu Hazrat Omer ke baat bhool gaee hoo
joo onhoon nee kahi thee ke mujhay "  http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image012.gif  ke Nabooat main kabhi itna Shaak nahi hoa jitna kee ajj hoa hai"  yani ke Omer saibh koo  http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image012.gif  ke Risalat per haar waqat shaak rehta tha... Daal main kuch kala hai.....

Baqi koi Hazrat ALI  http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image019.gif  ne  http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image012.gif  kee baat ko refuse nahi kia. kia samjhey...

baat kero per proof ke saath.......

*main tu apni har baat ka proof deta hoon tumhari books saee oer tum nee tu ajj tak koi proof nahi dea bas joo dil main aey keh dala.....

Tum apne Calipha ke Birth tu sabit ker nahi sake baqi tu chooroo...

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 02:37 PM

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if u read carefully then u see that i told the distance read carefully..

Yes you did give the distance for the place called khyber I am looking for the distance between Medina and "Fort Khyber" the same fort which was conquered by you first imam, it seems like you never understood my question, try again.

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Posted 27 February 2006 - 10:02 AM

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Mere khiall saee hum Abu Bakar kee baat ker rahe thee na kee Hazrat ALI  http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image019.gif kee..

if u don't forget it..... ok....

Other-wise there are many fort in khayber and i mention it... Khayber is the main...

and the main is Qila-Qamaoos....


tum abu Bakar ka imman tu proof karoo....  oer main oes ka shirk proof keroon ga...

wase Hazrat ALI  http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image019.gif  ke personality is neutral... i hope kee app 4th Calipha mantee hain.

jabke Hum Shia tu Abu Bakar ko apna 1st Calipha nahi mantee... personality woo honi

caheeye kee Enemy bhee mane....

lagta hai kee Abu Bakar oer Omer ka battle saee bhagg janaa nahi phara app nee....

apne caliphas ko tu bachoo yeh tu sub ko pata hai ke Fort-KHAYBER Hazrat ALI http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image019.gif  neee

fatha kia tha......... mere jaan tum baar baar Fort-Khayber ka distance pooch tee hoo woo

tu main ne bateya hai... aub oes main different Qillas bhee thee like Qamoos joo ke main

Qila tha jiss ko Hazrat ALI http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image019.gif  ne fatha kia tha oer iss kee elava bhee saree Qilee

MOLA ALI http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image019.gif  nee hee fatha kia tha...

YAAD RAKHOO AGAR TUM ZID  KERO GEE TU KABHI BHEE TUM RA-E-HAQ NAHI PAA

SAKTEE..... " ALI  http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image019.gif  HAQ KE SAATH HAI OER HAQ ALI http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image019.gif  KEE SAATH HAI" (Hadith).


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