[Fatah-Momin]

Ahmadiyya Awareness Campaign
29th March 1997

Praise be to Allah. His Love and Peace be upon Syedna Muhammad after whom there is no prophet & upon His Family & Companions

Is he a Muslim
Beliefs of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
by Dr. Syed Rashid Ali

Dear Brother /Sisters in Islam!
Assalamoalaikum wa Rehmatullah wa Barakatohu.

In 1974, Islamic Scholars from 124 countries of the world met in Makkah al-Mukarramah under the auspecies of Rabita al-Alam al-Islami. They passed a unanimous resolution declaring Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani and his followers (Ahmadiyya Movement/Qadianis/Ahmadis/Mirzais/Lahoris) APOSTATEs, KAFIRs and OUT of the FOLD of ISLAM. For the last 100 years all religious scholares of MAKKAH al- MUKARRAMAH, al MADINAH al MUNAWWARAH, EGYPT, INDO-PAKISTAN and all ARAB & MUSLIM COUNTRIES have been united in their stand in declaring them Apostates, Kafirs and out of the fold of Islam.

MODUS OPERANDI:
Followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad call themselves 'AHMADI MUSLIMs'. They especially go to remote areas where Muslims have never heard the name of Mirza Ghulam or Qadianism or Ahmadiyyah Movement. Pretending to be SUNNI MUSLIMs and using their vast resources, offering Financial and other Material Incentives, they have thus misguided the poor ignorant Muslims masses in various parts of the world especially in Central and Western Africa, Far Eastern Countries and Central Asian Muslim Republics. Muslims in these region mostly belong to the Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaah and have never heard of MIRZA GHULAM or AHMADI or AHMADIYYAH MOVEMENT and therefore they are unware that the entire Muslim Ummah has declare them KAFIR and out of the FOLD of ISLAM. Thus they turn a Sunni Muslim into AHMADI MUSLIM.
QUESTION: If AHMADIS ARE SUNNI MUSLIMS, WHY DO THEY CALL THEMSELVES AHMADI MUSLIMS?

WHO WAS MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD QADIANI
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was born in a Muslim family in the North Indian village of Qadian in 1839. He recieved some religious education at home. He suffered from a variety of physical and mental illnesses of various kind and had a habit of taking OPIUM and TONIC WINE. Under the influence of British Rulers of India he sold his faith for petty wordly gains. He claimed to be the Promised Messiah, Mahdi, Prophet and the Second Advent of Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him), who has come again in the from of Mirza to propagate Islam. He claimed that he recieve WAHI (Revelation) and named BRAHEEN-e-AHMADIYYAH as the BOOK of GOD. Britishers were facing difficulties in India because of the spirit of Jehad in Muslims and at their instigation, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad wrote books and pamphlets in which he ABROGATED JEHAD and made LOYALTY TO THE BRITISH RULERS AN ARTICLE OF FAITH. Mirza Ghulam formed the AHMADIYYAH MOVEMENT in 1889 and called his follwers AHMADI MUSLIMS. He labelled ALL THOSE WHO DID NOT ACCEPT HIM AND DID NOT ACCEPT HIS PROPHETHOOD as [AUTO EDITED]S (children of prostitutes). Mirza Ghulam Ahmad died in 1908 but Ahmadiyyah Movement has continued to flourish ever since; earlier under the patronage of British Masters and now the US and other anti-Muslim Governments.

UN-ISLAMIC BELIEFS OF MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD:
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad wrote 80 books during his life time, which provides an excellent insight into the mind of the man and how with passage of time his faith has evolved from Islam to Apostacy and Infedility. 'ROOHANI KHAZAIN' is the title for the collection of all the books by Mirza Ghulam, printed by the Ahmadiyya Movement Headquarter in London.

Mirza was born in a Muslim family. His early books therefore contained same beliefs as those of any other Sunni Muslim. But with the passage of time his beliefs underwent a dramatic change and his writings became more and more heretical and un-Islamic. However in an attempt to prove that Mirza Ghulam and Ahmadis are also Sunni Muslims, Ahmadiyyah Movement's propaganda literature usually give quotations from his earlier books. Ahmadis will mostly talk of Holy Quran and Hadith keeping Mirza Ghulam well in the background and usually presenting him as a Reformer or a Mujaddid or Mahdi Or Messiah, depending on which type of people they are preaching to. Mirza Ghulam's claims to Prophehood are not discussed.

Following are some extracts from the books of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad which provided the basis for Islamic Scholars to declare him and his followers Kafir, Apostate and out of the fold of Islam:

I. Mirza Ghulam says (Extracts from Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain, vol 3 pp.114-472):

Holy Prophet Mohammed(pbuh) did not understand the meaning of Surah AlZilzal.
Other Prophets have also made mistakes and lied. (Mirza trying to justify his false statements and unfulfilled prophecies - Author)

Hazrath Mohammad's Revelation also turned out to be wrong.
Revelation did not inform Hazrath Mohammad (pbuh) about Ibne Maryam, Dajjal, Khare Dajjal, Yajoog Majoog and Daabatul Ardh.
Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya is referred to as the Book of God in various other books by Mirza Ghulam eg. Roohani Khazain vol.22 p.502.
" 'Inna Anzalnaaho Qareeban min alQadian wa bil Haq anzalnaahu No doubt we have sent him (Mirza) near Qadian and with truth we have sent him'; . . . this revelation which has been published in Braheene Ahmadiyya as well, is clearly and loudly revealing that the name of Qadian is definitely mentioned in Quran or Hadith as a prophecy."
Names of Makkah, Madina and Qadian are mentioned with respect in Holy Quran.
Holy Quran is full of obscene words. {Mirza trying to justify his foul language that he used against his opponents

II. Mirza Ghulam claimed that :
He was the second advent of Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and better and superior than the first coming (Roohani Khazain vol 16 pp.272)
Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has come again in this world as Mirza Ghulam to propagate Islam. (Roohani Khazain vol.17 p.249)
Ahmadis should not differentiate between Mirza Ghulam and Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh) because "Anyone who differentiate between me and Mustafa (pbuh) has not seen me and not recognized me." (Roohani Khazain vol 16 pp.171).
Mirza's WAHI told him : "'Muhammadur Rasoolullah wallazeena ma'ahoo ashiddaohoo' ala alkuffar rohamao bainahum' in this Wahi God has named me Muhammad and Rasoolullah." (Roohani Khazain vol 18 pp.207)
Those who join Mirza's Jama'at becomes a SAHABI of Rasoolullah. (Roohani Khazain vol 16 pp.258-259)

Since Mirza Ghulam is none other than Holy Prophet Muhmmad (pbuh) himself, therefore when an Ahmadi recites KALIMA TAYYEBAH, by Muhammadur Rasoolullah he means Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani. (Kalimat al Fasl by Mirza Basheer Ahmad s/o Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani)

III. From Mirza s/o Chiragh Bibi to Jesus s/o Mary:
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was the son of Chiragh Bibi but he claimed that he is Eisa Ibne Maryam. He said that at first God converted him into Maryam for two years. After two years, God made him pregnant by blowing the soul of Eisa into him; he remained pregnant for 10 months, after whcih God converted him into Eisa. This is how he became Maryam as well as Eisa ibne Maryam. (Rooahni Khazain vol 19 pp. 87-89)

IV. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed that:
He was Maseel Maseeh that is he has certain qualities which resemled like Eisa ibne Maryam (Roohani Khazain vol 1 p. 593).
Hazrat Eisa (pbuh) was the son of Yousuf Najjar (Roohani Khazain vol 3 pp. 254).
Hazrat Eisa is dead and he will not come again. (Rooahni Khazain vol.3 p.402)
Jesus (Hazrat Eisa) was a habitual liar, had a habit of uttering obscenities, an alcoholic, gluttunous and a wicked person, neither a pious man nor a seeker of truth, he was a proud man and a self-conceited person who claimed divinity. (Roohani Khazain vol 9 p.387, vol.11 p.289).
"The fact is that Hazrat Eisa did not perform any miracles." (Roohani Khazain vol 11 p. 290-291)
"Three grandmothers of Hazrat Eisa were FORNICATORS and PROSTITUTES, from whose blood the body of Jesus came into being." (Roohani Khazain 11 p.291)
"Hazrat Eisa had become insane due to epilepsy." (Roohani Khazain vol 9 p. 417)
"I wish Hazrat Eisa had not come in this world." (Roohani Khazain vol 9 p. 417)
"I am better than Eisa ibne Maryam." (Roohani Khazain vol 1 p.593)
"I have certain qualities resembling Jesus .....my nature and the nature of Jesus resembles so much as if two pieces of the same atom or like two seeds of the same tree." (Roohani Khazain vol.1 p.593)

V. Mirza boasted that:
"Quran is God's Book and the words of my mouth." (Advertisment dated 15th March 1897, Roohani Khazain vol 22 p. 87)
"I believe in my WAHI as I believe in Quran and Torah." (Roohani Khazain vol.17 p.454)
"The basis for our claim is not Hadith but Quran and that WAHI which comes to us. Yes in support we also quote those Hadith which are according to Quran and DO NOT CONTRADICT MY WAHI. As for the REST OF THE HADITHs, I THROW THEM AWAY LIKE A WASTE PAPER." (Roohani Khazain vol 19 p.140)
Bait-ul-Zikr (Mosque adjacent to Bait-ul-Fikr, the room where Mirza Ghulam used to sit and write books) is like Haram-e-Ka'aba, 'Wa man dakhalahoo kaan amina' {and whosoever enters it, is in peace}." (Roohani Khazain vol. 1 p.666-667)
Verse [17:1] of Holy Quran: 'Praise be to Allah, who took His Servant on the Night Journey from Masjid Haram to Masjid Aqsa', its real and literal application is the Mosque built by father of Mirza Ghulam. (Collection of Advertisement vol.3 p.286)
[PS: According to Mirza Ghulam, Quran is the words of his mouth , his Mosque is like Haram-e-Kaba and Masjid -e-Aqsa is in Qadian and not in Jerushelm.]
VI. Mirza announced:

"I am Adam , I am Noah, I am Abraham, I am Isaac, I am Jacob, I am Ishmael, I am Moses, I am Jesus son of Mary, I am Mohammad SAAW. . ." (Roohani Khazain vol 22, p.521)
"True God is the one who has sent his Messenger in Qadian." (Roohani Khazain vol.18 p.231)

VII. Mirza declared that:
"Except for the Children of Prostitutes, whose hearts have been sealed by God, everyone else has accepted me and believes in my Prophethood." (Aina-e-Kamalate Islam, Roohani Khazain vol 5 p.547). . . . .

He, who does not believe on Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, is Disobedient to God and Prophet and will go to Hell." (Advertisement by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad dated 25th May 1900)

I am the "Self-implanted/Self-cultivated Seedling " of the British Government. "Government should take great care regarding this SELF-IMPLANTED SEEDLING . . . . .should instruct its officers to treat ME and MY JAMA'AT with special kindness and favours. Our family has never hesitated in shedding their blood in the way of British Rulers and did not stop from laying down their lives neither do they hesitate now." (Roohani Khazain vol.13 p.350)
"From my early age till now when I am 65 years of age, I have been engaged , with my pen and tongue, in an important task to turn the hearts of Muslims towards the true love & Goodwill & sympathy for the British Government and to obliterate the idea of Jehad from the hearts of stupid (Muslims). " (Kitab-ul-Bariyah, Roohani Khazain vol 13 p.350)
" . . . . for the sake of British Government, I have published & distributed 50,000 leaflets in this country (India) other Islamic countries(against jehad). . . . the result is that hundreds of thousands of people have given up their filthy ideas about Jihad." (Roohani Khazain vol 15 p.114)

Dear Brothers/Sisters in Islam!
These are the real beliefs of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani and his Ahmadiyya/Qadiani Jama'at, but the propaganda literature will only try to prove that they are Sunni Muslims. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims have lost their faith at the hands of Qadianis/Ahmadis because they had no knowledge about Mirza Ghulam or his Ahmadiyya Movement.

Western Powers are scared of the RESURGENCE OF ISLAM, the SPIRIT OF JEHAD of Muslims. They know that ANY MUSLIM WHO BECOMES A QADIANI/ AHMADI, is one Muslim less. Every Ahmadi must believe that JEHAD IS HARAM. Ahmadiyya Movement is therefore an agent of the Anti-Islamic Forces to take away our faith in the name of Islam.

MAY ALLAH PROTECT THE FAITH OF EVERY MUSLIM FROM ALL EVIL FORCES. AMEEN.

Wassalamoalikum wa Rehmatullahe wa Barakhatohoo
Your Brother in Islam

Dr Syed Rashid Ali

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[Shahzad Salam Kasi]

Can you please tell me the definition of Muslim through Holy Quran, as you said that All the Muslims unanimously declared Ahmadi's as Non-Muslims. Then there must have been a valid definition through which you came to this decision.

[Talib e Hidayat]

Can you please tell me the definition of Muslim through Holy Quran, as you said that All the Muslims unanimously declared Ahmadi's as Non-Muslims. Then there must have been a valid definition through which you came to this decision.

Kia khud ko zameeno asman ka khaliq kehne wala shakhs momin ho skta hai? Momin ki koi bhi definition is ka jawab yes main nahi de skti... yehi mirza sahib ka claim tha... what you say?

[Efendi]

Can you please tell me the definition of Muslim through Holy Quran, as you said that All the Muslims unanimously declared Ahmadi's as Non-Muslims. Then there must have been a valid definition through which you came to this decision.

If someone accept anyone after Mohammad (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa salam) like prophet, he's kaafir per ijma of this ummah.

This post has been edited by Efendi: 30 June 2009 - 02:16 AM

[Vsd]

Mirza Qadyani was the most funny person I 've ever heard....

He used to have menses etc..(All references from Qadyani books) etc...

[swords_of_sunnah]

Mirza Qadyani was the most funny person I 've ever heard....

He used to have menses etc..(All references from Qadyani books) etc...

I heard he was even pregnant..... lol

[Vsd]

Yeah and he used to smell the clothes aka Shalwar with menses of his girlfriend...Ehhhhh!!!!!!

Lahawla wala Quwwwata Illa Billah....

May Allah curse him...

[Shahzad Salam Kasi]

As being mentioned above
"In 1974, Islamic Scholars from 124 countries of the world met in Makkah al-Mukarramah under the auspecies of Rabita al-Alam al-Islami. They passed a unanimous resolution declaring Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani and his followers (Ahmadiyya Movement/Qadianis/Ahmadis/Mirzais/Lahoris) APOSTATEs, KAFIRs and OUT of the FOLD of ISLAM."

I have only asked, the definition of Muslim (from Holy Quran) as being followed by the above mentioned followers of Islam while declaring Ahmadi's as Non-Muslims.

If you have any definition, then do reply.

[swords_of_sunnah]

As being mentioned above
"In 1974, Islamic Scholars from 124 countries of the world met in Makkah al-Mukarramah under the auspecies of Rabita al-Alam al-Islami. They passed a unanimous resolution declaring Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani and his followers (Ahmadiyya Movement/Qadianis/Ahmadis/Mirzais/Lahoris) APOSTATEs, KAFIRs and OUT of the FOLD of ISLAM."

I have only asked, the definition of Muslim (from Holy Quran) as being followed by the above mentioned followers of Islam while declaring Ahmadi's as Non-Muslims.

If you have any definition, then do reply.

THE ONE WHO DOESNT ACCEPTS PROPHET(sAW) TO BE AS FINAL RASOOL, NABI . IS A KAAFIR.

THOUGH HE ACCPETS THAT OPENLY LIKE MUSALIMAH KAZZAB OR IN HIDDEN MANNER LIKE GHULAM AHMED QADIYANI MALOON.

[Fatah-Momin]

Muslim is he who obey Allah[swt] and RasoolAllah[saw]

4:64: We have sent not a Apostle, But to be Obeyed, In accordance with the will of Allah.
7:157: ..So it is those who believe, In him[saw] Honour him[saw].
24:25: Say: Obey Allah and Obey the apotle.

Allah[swt] has said over and over to Obey the Prophet[saw], any one who claim prophethood after him is a Kafir and any one who follow any such beliefs and die on such beliefs are Kafir.

[londonderry]

why can't these islamic scholars from 124 countries come together at makkah al-mukarramah in 2009 and pass a resolution declaring the shia as apostates ? Surely the kufr of the shia is as bad if not worse as the kufr of the qadiani's .

[Shahzad Salam Kasi]

THE ONE WHO DOESNT ACCEPTS PROPHET(sAW) TO BE AS FINAL RASOOL, NABI . IS A KAAFIR.

THOUGH HE ACCPETS THAT OPENLY LIKE MUSALIMAH KAZZAB OR IN HIDDEN MANNER LIKE GHULAM AHMED QADIYANI MALOON.

THE ONE WHO DOESNT ACCEPTS PROPHET(sAW) TO BE AS FINAL RASOOL, NABI . IS A KAAFIR.

From where you got this definition ? Is it written in Holy Quran or its your definition ?

Do you believe PROPHET(sAW) TO BE AS FINAL RASOOL ?
When Hazrat Eissa will come back and will die then who will be called the Final Prophet ?

[Shahzad Salam Kasi]

Muslim is he who obey Allah[swt] and RasoolAllah[saw]

4:64: We have sent not a Apostle, But to be Obeyed, In accordance with the will of Allah.
7:157: ..So it is those who believe, In him[saw] Honour him[saw].
24:25: Say: Obey Allah and Obey the apotle.

Allah[swt] has said over and over to Obey the Prophet[saw], any one who claim prophethood after him is a Kafir and any one who follow any such beliefs and die on such beliefs are Kafir.

4:64: We have sent not a Apostle, But to be Obeyed, In accordance with the will of Allah.
This verse says that Obey Almighty GOD. There is nothing to disagree with it.

24:25: Say: Obey Allah and Obey the apotle.
This is also clear. i dont disagree with it.

But where is my answer in it ?

You have mentioned this definition again "any one who claim prophethood after him is a Kafir "
from where this definition mentioned in the Holy Quran ?

Here is the definition of Muslim:
[4:94] O ye who believe! when you go forth in the cause of Allah, make proper investigation and say not to anyone who greets you with the greeting of peace,
‘Thou art not a believer.’ You seek the goods of this li

No i want to ask you that do you believe what Almighty GOD says :

[7:35] O children of Adam! if Messengers come to you from among yourselves, rehearsing My Signs unto you, then whoso shall fear God and do good deeds,
on them shall come no fear nor shall they grieve.
[7:36] But those who reject Our Signs and turn away from them with disdain, these shall be the inmates of the Fire; they shall abide therein.

Do you believe on this verse ?
What is the meaning of this verse ?

[swords_of_sunnah]

THE ONE WHO DOESNT ACCEPTS PROPHET(sAW) TO BE AS FINAL RASOOL, NABI . IS A KAAFIR.

From where you got this definition ? Is it written in Holy Quran or its your definition ?

Do you believe PROPHET(sAW) TO BE AS FINAL RASOOL ?
When Hazrat Eissa will come back and will die then who will be called the Final Prophet ?

DO YOU KNOW THE FUNDAMENTALS OF RELIGION?

ANYWAYS THOUGH hz ESA(AS) WILL RETURN IN HIS SECOND COMING BUT HE WILL NOT RETURN AS A PROPHET, HE WILL NOT GIVE ANY NEW MESSAGE, HE WILL DESCEND AS AN UMMATI OF PROPHET MUHAMMED(sAW) AND WILL FOLLOW HIS SHARIAH.

[Shahzad Salam Kasi]

DO YOU KNOW THE FUNDAMENTALS OF RELIGION?

ANYWAYS THOUGH hz ESA(AS) WILL RETURN IN HIS SECOND COMING BUT HE WILL NOT RETURN AS A PROPHET, HE WILL NOT GIVE ANY NEW MESSAGE, HE WILL DESCEND AS AN UMMATI OF PROPHET MUHAMMED(sAW) AND WILL FOLLOW HIS SHARIAH.

What do you mean by the Fundamentals of Isalm ?

Holy Quran says in numerous occassions that the one who does not believe on the verses is a Kafir.
One has to believe on every verse from the Holy Quran.

[4:126] And who is better in faith than he who submits himself to Allah, and he is a doer of good, and follows the religion of Abraham, the upright? And Allah took Abraham for a special friend

Submission before the words of GOD. Meaning of Deen.

About your saying the Hazrat Eissa will not be a Prophet when he comes, then kindly review numerous Ahadees where it is mentioned that he'll be a Prophet. Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) said 4 times in a single Ahadees that Hazrat Eissa will be a Prophet.

First, clarify this concept.

It is written in the Holy Quran that Hazrat Eissa is a prohet of Bani-Israel.

[61:7] And remember when Jesus, son of Mary, said, ‘O children of Israel, surely I am Allah’s Messenger unto you, fulfilling that which is before me of the Torah, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger who will come after me. His name will be Ahmad.’ And when he came to them with clear proofs, they said, ‘This is clear enchantment.’


Here is a Verse in which it is clearly said that Hazrat Eissa came for Israel. How can he preach Muslims in the presence of this (and other) verses ?
Its also written in this verse that there will be a Prophet after Hazrat Eissa ?
Who is this Prophet then who will come after Hazrat Eissa ?

[swords_of_sunnah]

Holy Quran says in numerous occassions that the one who does not believe on the verses is a Kafir.
One has to believe on every verse from the Holy Quran.

ofcourse which you people dont believe.

About your saying the Hazrat Eissa will not be a Prophet when he comes, then kindly review numerous Ahadees where it is mentioned that he'll be a Prophet. Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) said 4 times in a single Ahadees that Hazrat Eissa will be a Prophet.

kindly quote those hadees.

It is written in the Holy Quran that Hazrat Eissa is a prohet of Bani-Israel.

[61:7] And remember when Jesus, son of Mary, said, 'O children of Israel, surely I am Allah's Messenger unto you, fulfilling that which is before me of the Torah, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger who will come after me. His name will be Ahmad.' And when he came to them with clear proofs, they said, 'This is clear enchantment.'

Here is a Verse in which it is clearly said that Hazrat Eissa came for Israel. How can he preach Muslims in the presence of this (and other) verses ?

it speaks about the first coming of jesus not the second coming.

Its also written in this verse that there will be a Prophet after Hazrat Eissa ?
Who is this Prophet then who will come after Hazrat Eissa ?

the verse speaks about the first coming of hz esa(as), AND EVEN YOU KNOW THAT THE PROPHET AFTER HIM WAS MUHAMMED(SAW), WHO WAS ALSO CALLED AHMED.

AND NAME OF YOUR SO CALLED PROPHET WAS GHULAM AHMED, MEANING SLAVE OF AHMED. AHMED IS NOT THE NAME OF ALLAH, ITS THE NAME OF HUMAN BEING SO WHOSE SLAVE WAS YOUR PROPHET?

[Shahzad Salam Kasi]

Kindly present a single Quranic Verse that u claim we don't believe on.


[quote name='swords_of_sunnah' date='Aug 1 2009, 12:55 AM' post='73018']
ofcourse which you people dont believe.

kindly quote those hadees.

I will present the verse (most probably next week) as i have to scan the ahadees books again. Actually its a common belief among all the Muslims sects, but its strange that u dont come across it. Anyhow, leave this discussion till i present the ahadees to you.


it speaks about the first coming of jesus not the second coming.

Where it is written about the first or second coming of Jesus in this Verse ? Is this your own words that u want to put into this verse.
This is called (that u dont believe on this verse.)
The meaning of this verse is that when Hazrat Eissa dies, then Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) will come.
And the other point is that Hazrat Eissa is the Prophet of ban-e-israel. He cant be a Prophet for Muslims in the presence of this verse (and there are other verses like this as well).

If you saw, that the same Hazrat Eissa is alive and will come back, then will this verse be useless ? or this verse be having no meaning then ?

Is there any verse that justifies your claim and negate ours ?

[Fatah-Momin]

Ahmedies/Qadyanies do not believe in khatmay nabouate. When Allah[swt] said He prefected the deen, after that there is no further need for any Nabi. That is the aya you do not believe in.

[tRUEMOMIN]

Hmmmm after long time Taking with Mirza kafir followers, i have been involved with this disucssion for quite long time.


Come to points see below and ready properly


Mirza claim himself as the Promised Messiah and Prophet of God. He has confused people about the nature of Prophethood and he has confused people about Jesus




According to holy quran




Being the last Prophet in the chain of prophethood, no one ever shall now succeed him to that status of dignity.


"Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things."
(Holy Quran, 33:40)




HADITH: (1)
The Last Brick “From Abu Huraira, (Allah be pleased with him): Allah’s messenger(SAW) said:
“Certainly my example and the example of prophets earlier than me is like the example of a palace most elegant and most beautiful constructed by a person except (that he left in it) a blank space for a brick in one of its corners and that made the people (who were) going around it wonder (at its marvellousness) and exclaimed (in perplexion): “Why not is this brick inlaid in here!” The Prophet(SAW) said, “I am that (corner’s last) brick and I am the last of the prophets”.
Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 1, p.501 & Sahih Muslim, Vol. 2, p.248



another hadith

From Abu Huraira, (Allah be pleased with him): Allah’s messenger Muhammad(SAW) said:
the line of the Prophets has been terminated with me”.
(Sahih Muslim, Vol.1, p.199, Mishkat, p.512)


HADITH (3)
Address to Hazrat Ali

“From Saad bin Abi Waqqas, (Allah be pleased with him): said Allah’s messenger Muhammad(SAW) to Hazrat Ali, (Allah be pleased with him) “You have the same relation with me as Aaron had with Moses (peace be upon them) except that there shall be no prophet after me”.
(Sahih Bukhari Vol.2, p.633



Thirty Liars in the Ummah

“It is related by Hazrat Thauban, (Allah be pleased with him) that our Prophet(SAW) said “In my Ummat there shall be born thirty liars, each of them will pretend that he is a prophet but I am the last of the prophets, there shall be no prophet after me”.
(Abu Dawood and Tirmizi
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Hazrat Ali, (Allah be pleased with him) describing virtues of the Prophet SAW) says: “Between his shoulders was the signet of prophethood and he was Khatamun-Nabieen”.
(Shamail-e-Tirmizi, p.3







faith of Mraiz


Mirza Ghulam Qadiani collected a large sum of money from investors who retained his services to publish 50 (fifty) books. Mirza Ghulam only published 5 (five) books and refused to refund the advance for the remaining books! His explanation was:

"This is the same Braheen-e-Ahmadia, which has already been published in 4 (four) volumes. The fifth volume has been now published. It was earlier promised to publish 50 (fifty) volumes, but they are to be content with only 5 (five), instead of the 50 (fifty) we promised. Since there is only a dot difference between 5 (five) and 50 (fifty), with these 5 (five) our promise has been fulfilled."
(Preface, Braheen-e-Ahmadia, Vol. 5, Page 7;
Preface, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 21, Page 9)

[Shahzad Salam Kasi]

Ahmedies/Qadyanies do not believe in khatmay nabouate. When Allah[swt] said He prefected the deen, after that there is no further need for any Nabi. That is the aya you do not believe in.

Then what is the need for Hazrat Eissa to come back as a Nabi ?
And what is the need of Imam Mehdi ? Why they would come ?