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#1 OFFLINE   Umer Bin Alas

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 06:18 AM

What is the image of yazeed for shias every one knows some of sunni dislikes but this is not my field of concern now i want to know that what is the image of Son of Yazeed to Shias ? Do they like him ? who was he ? did he love AHl-e-bait etc or was he on his fathers religion i mean did he act like his father after his death ?  because shia said they all were same !
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Posted 04 June 2006 - 01:25 PM

View PostUmer Bin Alas, on Jun 4 2006, 07:18 AM, said:

What is the image of yazeed for shias every one knows some of sunni dislikes but this is not my field of concern now i want to know that what is the image of Son of Yazeed to Shias ? Do they like him ? who was he ? did he love AHl-e-bait etc or was he on his fathers religion i mean did he act like his father after his death ?  because shia said they all were same !
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Mua'viyah ibne Yazid was not on the line of his father and only spent a short time on the throne. From the little I have read he was a decent person who was disgusted by the actions of his corrupt daddy.

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 03:07 PM

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But what about the verse regarding the cursed tree ? Isn't there a contradiction here? A member of shiachat told me everyone who descendents from the Bani Ummayah is cursed including Syedna Umar bin Abdul Aziz (ra). Naozbillah !
If  negating the  term kaffir from Shias, and opposing the  monopolization of the term momin makes me a non-Sunni then I am a non-Sunni.

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 05:29 PM

View PostAbdaal, on Jun 4 2006, 04:07 PM, said:

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But what about the verse regarding the cursed tree ? Isn't there a contradiction here? A member of shiachat told me everyone who descendents from the Bani Ummayah is cursed including Syedna Umar bin Abdul Aziz (ra). Naozbillah !


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Which verse of the cursed tree? There were decent people from the bani Ummayah surely?

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Posted 05 June 2006 - 02:24 AM

Salaam Brother Abu Hamza

Here is the verse

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Behold! We told thee that thy Lord doth encompass mankind round about: We granted the vision which We showed thee, but as a trial for men,- as also the Cursed Tree (mentioned) in the Qur'an: We put terror (and warning) into them, but it only increases their inordinate transgression!


On shiachat the user gonajaf  has told me that this verse includes all the members of the Bani Ummayah. Then I asked him what about Syedna Umar bin Abdul Aziz (ra) ? He replied that it included him to because he didn't allow Imam Jafar as-Sadiq (as) to take his position.
If  negating the  term kaffir from Shias, and opposing the  monopolization of the term momin makes me a non-Sunni then I am a non-Sunni.

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Posted 05 June 2006 - 05:44 AM

Absoultely ABu Hamza you are right cozi read it some where

does Yazeed had any relation with Ahl-e-bait s off springs ?
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 08:20 AM

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Brother Abdaal, forgive my ignorance but I've never before seen this verse associated with bani Ummayah, that is a first for me! I will check tafseer I have at home insha'allah but I don't remember seeing it as such.

Brother Umer, I don't know if Mu'awiyah ibe Yazid had any 'relations' with ahlulbait (as), I think not but do know he was distanced from his fathers stance.

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Posted 05 June 2006 - 12:03 PM

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Brother Umer, some reference for Yazid's son:

     After his (Yazid's) death, Muawiyah the second gathered the people on a well
     known day. He stood in front of them preaching, he said:

     "My grandfather Muawiyah stripped the command from those who deserved
     it, and from one who is more justified of it, for his relation to the
     Messenger of Allah and his being first in Islam, and that is Ali Ibn
     Abi Talib, he (Muawiyah) took over it by your help as you are fully
     aware."

     "Then following it my father Yazid wore the command after him, and he
     did not deserve it. He quarreled with the son of the daughter of the
     Messenger of Allah, and by that he shortened his own life... He rode
     his whim and hope left him behind." Then he cried and continued:

     "Surely, the greatest problems of us is our knowledge of his bad
     behavior and his awful ending, and that he killed the progeny (Itrah)
     of the Messenger of Allah, and he permitted drinking alcohol, and he
     fought in the sanctuary of Mecca, and destroyed the Ka'ba."

     "And I am not the one who is dressing up for your command, nor the one
     to be responsible for your followers... You choose for yourselves..!!"

- Khulafaa al-Rasool, by Khalid Mohammed Khalid, p531 (The above quote
                      includes author's punctuation.)
- Sawaiq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, end of Ch. 11, pp 336.

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Posted 05 June 2006 - 02:18 PM

brother the references you provide are almost same in book 14 stars ! where it is stated that the son of yazeed born to love of Ahl-e-bait especially for Amirul Momeneen syedena ALi R.z Bin ABi Talib !
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Posted 07 June 2006 - 07:12 AM

i just wanted to say that many shias as they blindly hate Yazed and syedena amir mauvia r.z  they forget that the son of yazed was naturaly loved them according to shia source ! and i also wanna suggenst that shia must read their books and avoid the majalis of zakirs who are no doubt kaffir  and play a stage darama in thair majalis to let people cry for money because when you read their authentic books you will not fine that funny words in their books

for example

by doing emotionally black mailing they use the word oh zenub ka dopata .......... , oh ahl-e-bait lut gaye , berbad ho gaye ........

this is the tameez i mean dont you think that they are not decent words which they use for ahl-e-bait ? even some shias are stirctly following that they use the name of ahl-e-bait in very decent ways i wanna suugest those shias please spit in the mouth of those zakirs who disgracingly use the name just to put emotional daraama script in their existing darama :) and warn them to hold you self
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Posted 07 June 2006 - 01:03 PM

View PostUmer Bin Alas, on Jun 7 2006, 08:12 AM, said:

i just wanted to say that many shias as they blindly hate Yazed and syedena amir mauvia r.z  they forget that the son of yazed was naturaly loved them according to shia source ! and i also wanna suggenst that shia must read their books and avoid the majalis of zakirs who are no doubt kaffir  and play a stage darama in thair majalis to let people cry for money because when you read their authentic books you will not fine that funny words in their books

for example

by doing emotionally black mailing they use the word oh zenub ka dopata .......... , oh ahl-e-bait lut gaye , berbad ho gaye ........

this is the tameez i mean dont you think that they are not decent words which they use for ahl-e-bait ? even some shias are stirctly following that they use the name of ahl-e-bait in very decent ways i wanna suugest those shias please spit in the mouth of those zakirs who disgracingly use the name just to put emotional daraama script in their existing darama :) and warn them to hold you self


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I must say brother Umer that sadly, this is unlikely to happen in Pakistan. If you travel to Europe/US most shiah mosque/centres have nothing to do with the Pakistani style. i.e. no zakiirs, no melodrama etc. Except the die-hard Pakis.

The few who stand up to the nonsense some zakirs and so-called alim say on stage are soon outnumbered by the majority who accuse the poor man of turning into 'wahabbi'.

The tragedy of Kerbala is worthy of remembrance but some shiah have turned it into ritual and drama, I can't see it changing any time soon :(

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Posted 07 June 2006 - 11:38 PM

View PostAbu Hamza, on Jun 5 2006, 04:20 AM, said:

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Brother Abdaal, forgive my ignorance but I've never before seen this verse associated with bani Ummayah, that is a first for me! I will check tafseer I have at home insha'allah but I don't remember seeing it as such.


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Here is the 12r reference for this verse.

Imam Mohammad al Baqir a.s cursed Omar ibn Abdul Aziz in an infamous saying (mentioned also in one of the books of ayat modaressi):

"If he (Umar ibn Abdul Aziz) is lenient to us that does not make him righteous, the fact that he is sitting on an usurped / cursed seat and knows its actual holders, makes him as cursed (like others)."
If  negating the  term kaffir from Shias, and opposing the  monopolization of the term momin makes me a non-Sunni then I am a non-Sunni.

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Posted 10 June 2006 - 02:36 PM

Brother hamza

you are right many of shias dont know their religon neither they read their books but listen the zakirs !  next time i will put the scan narration in favor of son of yazed thanks
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Posted 17 June 2006 - 07:56 AM

About Son of Yazeed from shia book 14th stars

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Posted 17 June 2006 - 09:41 AM

so then???
i know that he was a  gud guys
and dint want to be on the throne of his (LA) father
he was soon killed by her mother and marwan(LA)

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 05:41 AM

nothing special i just wanted to let shia remind  who are blind enough to absue every one without thinking and recalling the facts anf history from even their own books , i remember 1 years ago i put also this narration and find logic and insaaf and other many of your brothers started abusing him and now as i put this again shia said he was good guy thats all !
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