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#1 OFFLINE   Khalid-Bin-Waleed

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Posted 25 July 2006 - 07:23 PM

There has been an amazing discovery, after over a thousand years the 5 year old boy that once hid in a cave now reappears as a grown man, ready to bring the shia revolution back and establish justice on earth. These are never before seen pictures that were shot by our 'wahabi' photography crew.

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This is rare picture of the imam just after he awoken from his thousand year nap.



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This is never before seen picture of the 12th imam before performing istinja.


If your interested in supporting your imam we will be selling at your local corner Mask to show your bayah to your imam. They are good for children aswell as adults the whole family will love them!


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Below our rare picture is unexplainable we dont know really as to what the 12th imam was up to or what he was waiting for. Its left for the viewer to interpret.


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Edited by Fatah-Momin, 26 July 2006 - 05:01 AM.

'One of the signs of Ahl us-sunnah is their love for the aa'immah of the Sunnah, the scholars, its friends and allies. They show enmity to the leaders of bid'ah, who are calling to hell and leading its followers to the place of failure. Indeed Allah, the One Free from all deficiencies, has adorned the hearts of ahl us-sunnah and englightened them by instilling a love for the scholars as a favour from Him, The Most Majestic' Aboo Uthmaan ismaa'eel ibn Abdur Rahmaan as-Saaboonee(d449) in his work (The Creed of the people of Hadeeth)

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Posted 25 July 2006 - 07:25 PM

lol akhee it is the imaginare 12th dajjal who has nothing to do WITH THE real muslim AL MAHDI like Rafidism has nothing to do with Islam

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by our 'wahabi' photography crew.

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Posted 25 July 2006 - 07:26 PM

Yes the 12th imam of shia is non existent as has been proven. The real mahdi has been fortold by our noble prophet  http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image008.gif
'One of the signs of Ahl us-sunnah is their love for the aa'immah of the Sunnah, the scholars, its friends and allies. They show enmity to the leaders of bid'ah, who are calling to hell and leading its followers to the place of failure. Indeed Allah, the One Free from all deficiencies, has adorned the hearts of ahl us-sunnah and englightened them by instilling a love for the scholars as a favour from Him, The Most Majestic' Aboo Uthmaan ismaa'eel ibn Abdur Rahmaan as-Saaboonee(d449) in his work (The Creed of the people of Hadeeth)

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Posted 25 July 2006 - 07:28 PM

akhee what has he done for the Rafida Umma ? collecting khoms and bananas ? lol what was his contribution during 1200y since hes the one whos "guiding" and "leading" the Rafida is he doing it thru letters or 2day maybe thru mails ? lol

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Posted 25 July 2006 - 07:34 PM

Akhi its strange the shias ask us 'how do you sunnis believe the Prophet Muhammed http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image008.gif  left this world without having a sucessor to guide the people as the people just left jahiliyah?!"

Yet their 12th imam from five years old has been hiding over 1,000 years and has not guided us. We have iranian shia and shias going to iran all over the world with letters that they wrote to their 12th imam and they drop it in a box as if he will read them.

The people have to rely on individuals like sistani while their 12th imam is away 'GUIDING THE UMMAH' since this is the PURPOSE of IMAMATE. What a silly concept they refute themselves.
'One of the signs of Ahl us-sunnah is their love for the aa'immah of the Sunnah, the scholars, its friends and allies. They show enmity to the leaders of bid'ah, who are calling to hell and leading its followers to the place of failure. Indeed Allah, the One Free from all deficiencies, has adorned the hearts of ahl us-sunnah and englightened them by instilling a love for the scholars as a favour from Him, The Most Majestic' Aboo Uthmaan ismaa'eel ibn Abdur Rahmaan as-Saaboonee(d449) in his work (The Creed of the people of Hadeeth)

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Posted 25 July 2006 - 07:40 PM

View PostMostafaAs-salafi, on Jul 25 2006, 09:34 PM, said:

We have iranian shia and shias going to iran all over the world with letters that they wrote to their 12th imam and they drop it in a box as if he will read them.

http://www.kr-hcy.or...wtopic=2217&hl=

exactly like the jews but atleast the jews wrote their letters just to their creator unlike the Rafida.

Edited by Abo Hafsa Al-Farsi, 25 July 2006 - 07:41 PM.


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Posted 25 July 2006 - 07:40 PM

View PostMostafaAs-salafi, on Jul 25 2006, 03:23 PM, said:

There has been an amazing discovery, after over a thousand years the 5 year old boy that once hid in a cave now reappears as a grown man, ready to bring the shia revolution back and establish justice on earth. These are never before seen pictures that were shot by our 'wahabi' photography crew.

http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image006.gif

LOL ---- Allahu Akbar


View PostMostafaAs-salafi, on Jul 25 2006, 03:34 PM, said:

Akhi its strange the shias ask us 'how do you sunnis believe the Prophet Muhammed http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image008.gif  left this world without having a sucessor to guide the people as the people just left jahiliyah?!"

Yet their 12th imam from five years old has been hiding over 1,000 years and has not guided us. We have iranian shia and shias going to iran all over the world with letters that they wrote to their 12th imam and they drop it in a box as if he will read them.

The people have to rely on individuals like sistani while their 12th imam is away 'GUIDING THE UMMAH' since this is the PURPOSE of IMAMATE. What a silly concept they refute themselves.

Allahu Akbar Brother, we sure have a guide with us all the time, and its a Holy Book Quran
I don't think we need "something else --> (points to the topic pictures)" other then we have in hands ----> (The Noble Quran)

Edited by Umm Abdullah, 25 July 2006 - 07:42 PM.


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Posted 25 July 2006 - 07:51 PM

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Naam ukhti the Quran and Sunnah with understanding of the sahabah and tabieen and tab tabieen is enough.

Take a look at this

http://www.kr-hcy.or...l=sunni country

The Prophecies so on and so forth about rightly guided khulafa and the Prophet  http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image008.gif  giving us guidance in terms of the rulers that are to come etc..

So we as ahlus sunnah do have a system of rulership. And the Prophet  http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image008.gif gave us sufficient knowledge and even talked about the times we lived in right now!

The sahabah said not a bird that flew in the sky flapping its wings but that the Prophet  http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image008.gif  gave us knowledge concerning it.

However the shia doctrine of imamate is a complete failure even their imams failed with giving us basic fiqh issues, the tafsir of the Quran was with Ali radiallahu anhu according to shia and he had to secretly pass it on to his family members. now the 12th imam has it and yet has not guided us with it. If you research narrations of the shia you see that the imams themselves had to perform taqiyyah so we must ask 'WHERE IS THE GUIDANCE?"

And now their last imam has not guided not a SINGLE thing has he guided us. They will qoute the hadith (from their sources)  'does not the sun give benefits when behind clouds?' however that is true but concerning the 12th imam he doesnt give any benefits! Even when he was out in the open (before occultation) and now more so he is not involved in the community!

Edited by MostafaAs-salafi, 25 July 2006 - 07:53 PM.

'One of the signs of Ahl us-sunnah is their love for the aa'immah of the Sunnah, the scholars, its friends and allies. They show enmity to the leaders of bid'ah, who are calling to hell and leading its followers to the place of failure. Indeed Allah, the One Free from all deficiencies, has adorned the hearts of ahl us-sunnah and englightened them by instilling a love for the scholars as a favour from Him, The Most Majestic' Aboo Uthmaan ismaa'eel ibn Abdur Rahmaan as-Saaboonee(d449) in his work (The Creed of the people of Hadeeth)

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Posted 25 July 2006 - 07:52 PM

View PostUmm Abdullah, on Jul 26 2006, 12:40 AM, said:

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LOL ---- Allahu Akbar
Allahu Akbar Brother, we sure have a guide with us all the time, and its a Holy Book Quran
I don't think we need "something else --> (points to the topic pictures)" other then we have in hands ----> (The Noble Quran)
umm abdullah and her SISTER abu hafsa AKA mustapha-salafi are on the go again, what a wisdom really i'm impressed with your arguments what a great contribution to islam you should be put in a museum in the in-danger of extinction reptiles hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Posted 25 July 2006 - 07:54 PM

I can see how you find her statement funny seeing that you dont really believe in the Quran and you believe the true interpretation is with your monkey 12th imam. But we as ahlus sunnah have what is sufficient for us.
'One of the signs of Ahl us-sunnah is their love for the aa'immah of the Sunnah, the scholars, its friends and allies. They show enmity to the leaders of bid'ah, who are calling to hell and leading its followers to the place of failure. Indeed Allah, the One Free from all deficiencies, has adorned the hearts of ahl us-sunnah and englightened them by instilling a love for the scholars as a favour from Him, The Most Majestic' Aboo Uthmaan ismaa'eel ibn Abdur Rahmaan as-Saaboonee(d449) in his work (The Creed of the people of Hadeeth)

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Posted 25 July 2006 - 07:59 PM

View PostMostafaAs-salafi, on Jul 25 2006, 03:51 PM, said:

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Naam ukhti the Quran and Sunnah with understanding of the sahabah and tabieen and tab tabieen is enough.

Wa Alaikum Asslaam
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Indeed Brother....Indeed.........

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Posted 25 July 2006 - 08:01 PM

View PostMostafaAs-salafi, on Jul 26 2006, 12:54 AM, said:

But we as ahlus sunnah have what is sufficient for us.
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Posted 25 July 2006 - 09:26 PM

Yes we take the Quran and sunnah

you shias believe the quran compiled in the right order is with the 12th imam. Not only that but the tafsir of the quran the actual meaning is with the 12 imam and he will guide us to it when he comes out of hiding like a cave monkey. You shia dont even have the sunnah for the sunnah has been snatched away with taqiyah and fabrication.
'One of the signs of Ahl us-sunnah is their love for the aa'immah of the Sunnah, the scholars, its friends and allies. They show enmity to the leaders of bid'ah, who are calling to hell and leading its followers to the place of failure. Indeed Allah, the One Free from all deficiencies, has adorned the hearts of ahl us-sunnah and englightened them by instilling a love for the scholars as a favour from Him, The Most Majestic' Aboo Uthmaan ismaa'eel ibn Abdur Rahmaan as-Saaboonee(d449) in his work (The Creed of the people of Hadeeth)

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Posted 25 July 2006 - 09:32 PM

we believe more than u i the koran abu hafsa, that's our daily bread the koran and our sanctury from life's problems and stress and our saviour but your saviour is ibn taymyya may allah leave him in hellfire forever him and the unholly alliance of salafis and wahhabis and kharijites, as to u abu hafsa i'm going to feel sorry for you being impaled with a skewer and roasted because you 're really pretty it's a shame

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Posted 25 July 2006 - 09:40 PM

Lol look you have a kafir name and your talking like a christian saying 'this is our daily bread' subhanallah im an ex christian and thats exactly how you sound. Talking of saviour aswell. Truely our savour is none other than Allah subhanahu wa ta ala.

As for as wahabi lol you shia come up with so many terms.  If you want to see their 'khariji'(if you even know the definition of khariji or the history of the khawarij) then look at Ad-Dala'il Fi Hukm Muwalat Ahl Al-Ishrak by Shaykh Sulayman ibn abdullah ibn muhammed ibn abdul wahab rahimullah who clearly shows that imam muhammed ibn abdul wahab and his students were not khawarij making takfir of sins etc.. They were very careful in the issue of takfir and if you just read the book you will see but ofcourse you would never do that for you shia rely on the internet to teach you your deen.

As far as the term salafi then it means ascribing your self to the way of the sahabah, tabieen, and tab tabieen so there is nothing wrong with this wa Alhamdulilah ar rabialaymin
'One of the signs of Ahl us-sunnah is their love for the aa'immah of the Sunnah, the scholars, its friends and allies. They show enmity to the leaders of bid'ah, who are calling to hell and leading its followers to the place of failure. Indeed Allah, the One Free from all deficiencies, has adorned the hearts of ahl us-sunnah and englightened them by instilling a love for the scholars as a favour from Him, The Most Majestic' Aboo Uthmaan ismaa'eel ibn Abdur Rahmaan as-Saaboonee(d449) in his work (The Creed of the people of Hadeeth)

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Posted 25 July 2006 - 09:48 PM

Wahhabis as neo-Kharijites



The Wahhabis are especially notorious for reviving the ways of the Khawarij (or Kharijites). They originated in the time of the caliphates of Uthman and Ali, among the closest companions to Prophet Muhammad.  They were the earliest group of fanatics who separated themselves from the Muslim community. They arose in opposition to Ali Prophet Muhammads son-in-law because of his willingness to arbitrate with Muawiyah, governor of Damascus at that time, over the issue of the caliphate. The Khawarij, meaning those who exited, slung accusations of blasphemy against Ali and Muawiyah and those who followed them saying that the Quran, and not them, had the ultimate authority in the matter.  Ibn al-Jawzi, an orthodox Sunni scholar, in his book Talbis Iblis (The Devils Deception) under the chapter heading A Mention of the Devils Delusion upon the Kharijites, says that Dhul-Khuwaysira al-Tamimi was the first Kharijite in Islam and that [h]is fault was to be satisfied with his own view; had he paused he would have realized that there is no view superior to that of Allahs Messenger  Furthermore, the orthodox Sunni scholar Imam Abd al-Qahir al-Baghdadi discusses the Kharijite rebellions and their bloody massacres of tens of thousands of Muslims in one of his books. He explicitly mentions the Azariqa, one of the most atrocious Kharijite movements led by Nafi ibn al-Azraq from the tribe of Banu Hanifa the same tribe where the heretic Musaylima the Prevaricator (or Liar) who claimed prophethood alongside Prophet Muhammad came from.  Just as the Khawarij threw accusations of blasphemy on Ali and Muawiya, Wahhabis throw accusations of blasphemy against Sunnis and Shiites.

The Al-Sa`ud and Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wahhab the founder of Wahhabism

Wahhabism is named after the its founder, Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wahhab (1703-1792), and has its roots in the land now known as Saudi Arabia. Without this man, the al-Sa`ud ‎, one of many clans spread over the Arabian peninsula, would not have had the inspiration, reason, and determination to consolidate the power that they did and wage "jihad" on people they perceived to be polytheists those who attribute partners in worship to Almighty God. How intimately close was al-Sa`ud‎s association with Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab? Robert Lacey eloquently illustrates this association:

Until [Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhabs] coming the Al Sa`ud ‎ had been a minor sheikhly clan like many others in Nejd, townsmen and farmers, making a comfortable living from trade, dates and perhaps a little horse-breeding, combining with the desert tribes to raid outwards when they felt strong, prudently retrenching in times of weakness.  Modestly independent, they were in no way empire builders, and it is not likely that the wider world would ever have heard of them without their alliance with the Teacher.



The al-Sa`ud are originally from the village of ad-Diriyah, located in Najd, in eastern Arabia situated near modern day Riyadh, the capital of Sa`ud‎i Arabia.  Ancestors of Sauud Ibn Muhammad, whom little is known about, settled in the area as agriculturists and gradually grew in number over time into the clan of al-Sa`ud ‎.

Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab was raised in Uyainah, an oasis in southern Najd, and was from the Banu Tamim tribe. He came from a religious family and left Uyainah in pursuit of Islamic knowledge.  He traveled to Mecca, Medina, Iraq, and Iran to acquire knowledge from different teachers.  When he returned to his homeland of Uyainah, he preached what he believed to be Islam in its purity which was, in fact, a vicious assault on traditional Sunni Islam.

The orthodox Sunni scholar Jamil Effendi al-Zahawi said that the teachers of Ibn `Abdul-Wahhab, including two teachers he had studied with in Medina Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Sulayman al-Kurdi and Shaykh Muhammad Hayat al-Sindi became aware of his anti-Sunni Wahhabi creed and warned Muslims from him. His shaykhs, including the two aforementioned shaykhs, used to say:  God will allow him [to] be led astray; but even unhappier will be the lot of those misled by him.

Moreover, Ibn `Abdul-Wahhabs own father had warned Muslims from him, as did his biological brother, Sulayman Ibn `Abdul-Wahhab, an orthodox Sunni scholar who refuted him in a book entitled al-Sawaiq al-Ilahiyya fi al-radd `ala al-Wahhabiyya [Divine Lightnings in Refuting the Wahhabis].  Ibn `Abdul-Wahhab was refuted by the orthodox Sunni scholars for his many ugly innovations. Perhaps his most famous book, Kitab at-Tawheed (Book of Unity of God) is widely circulated amongst Wahhabis worldwide, including the United States. His book is popular in Wahhabi circles, although orthodox Sunni scholars have said that there is nothing scholarly about it, both in terms of its content and its style.



Ibn Taymiyah: the Wahhabi founders role model



It is worth giving an overview of a man named Ahmed Ibn Taymiyah (1263-1328) who lived a few hundred years before Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wahhab. The Wahhabi founder admired him as a role model and embraced many of his pseudo-Sunni positions. Who exactly was Ibn Taymiyah and what did orthodox Sunni scholars say about him? Muslim scholars had mixed opinions about him depending on his interpretation of various issues. His straying from mainstream Sunni Islam on particular issues of creed (`aqeedah) and  worship (`ibadat) made him an extremely controversial figure in the Muslim community.  

Ibn Taymiya has won the reputation of being the true bearer of the early pious Muslims, especially among reformist revolutionaries, while the majority of orthodox Sunnis have accused him of reprehensible bidah (reprehenisible innovation), some accusing him of kufr (unbelief)

It behooves one to ask why Ibn Taymiyah had received so much opposition from reputable Sunni scholars who were known for their asceticism, trustworthiness, and piety. Some of Ibn Taymiyahs anti-Sunni and controversial positions include:

(1) His claim that Allahs Attributes are literal, thereby attributing God with created attributes and becoming an anthropomorphist;

(2) His claim that created things existed eternally with Allah;

(3) His opposition to the scholarly consensus on the divorce issue;

(4) His opposition to the orthodox Sunni practice of tawassul (asking Allah for things using a deceased pious individual as an intermediary);

(5) His saying that starting a trip to visit the Prophet Muhammads (s) invalidates the shortening of prayer;

(6) His saying that the torture of the people of Hell stops and doesnt last forever;

(7) His saying that Allah has a limit (hadd) that only He Knows;

(8) His saying that Allah literally sits on the Throne (al-Kursi) and has left space for Prophet Muhammad (s) to sit next to Him;

(9) His claim that touching the grave of Prophet Muhammad (s) is polytheism (shirk);

(10) His claim that that making supplication at the Prophet Muhammads grave to seek a better status from Allah is a reprehensible innovation;

(11) His claim that Allah descends and comparing Allahs descent with his, as he stepped down from a minbar while giving a sermon (khutba) to Muslims;

(12) His classifying of oneness in worship of Allah (tawheed) into two parts:  Tawhid al-rububiyya and Tawhid al-uluhiyya, which was never done by pious adherents of the salaf.
so this is proof of your salafi filth

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Posted 25 July 2006 - 09:51 PM

lol the copy paste moron with the kafir warrior name at his best

do u have wahhabiphobia little git hannibal ? oh slave of nudist imam we know ur propganda word.....

The Definition of Wahabi

A person who calls Shias Kafir (Infidels). or

A person who knows about Shias well. or

A person who exposes the HYPOCRICY of Shia'ism. or

A person who appears as a Nightmare to Shias. or

A person who doesn't let Shias sleep and have Sweet-dreams. or

A person who causes Shias to keep Abusing like women. or

A PERSON WHO DOESN'T himself KNOW WHO IN FACT A WAHABI IS.

Some years back, Indians have ISI-Phobia, they feared ISI involvement everywhere, in the sameway Americans have Bin-Laden-Phobia or Al-Qayeda-Phobia.

Poor-Shias have Wahabi-Phobia.
In fact Wahabi is a Hypothetical Character wich has been created by Shia-Priests to scare Shia-Cowards, to keep Taqiyyah alive. Because one condition when Shias apply Taqiyyah is the FEAR.

Since Shias can't call sunnis anything bad, because they all don't want to flee to Iran, they have to MISERABLY call them Wahabis who Expose their Kufr (infidelity).


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Posted 25 July 2006 - 09:55 PM

no this is the definition of wahabi which u are Wahhabis as neo-Kharijites

The Wahhabis are especially notorious for reviving the ways of the Khawarij (or Kharijites). They originated in the time of the caliphates of Uthman and Ali, among the closest companions to Prophet Muhammad.  They were the earliest group of fanatics who separated themselves from the Muslim community. They arose in opposition to Ali Prophet Muhammads son-in-law because of his willingness to arbitrate with Muawiyah, governor of Damascus at that time, over the issue of the caliphate. The Khawarij, meaning those who exited, slung accusations of blasphemy against Ali and Muawiyah and those who followed them saying that the Quran, and not them, had the ultimate authority in the matter.  Ibn al-Jawzi, an orthodox Sunni scholar, in his book Talbis Iblis (The Devils Deception) under the chapter heading A Mention of the Devils Delusion upon the Kharijites, says that Dhul-Khuwaysira al-Tamimi was the first Kharijite in Islam and that [h]is fault was to be satisfied with his own view; had he paused he would have realized that there is no view superior to that of Allahs Messenger  Furthermore, the orthodox Sunni scholar Imam Abd al-Qahir al-Baghdadi discusses the Kharijite rebellions and their bloody massacres of tens of thousands of Muslims in one of his books. He explicitly mentions the Azariqa, one of the most atrocious Kharijite movements led by Nafi ibn al-Azraq from the tribe of Banu Hanifa the same tribe where the heretic Musaylima the Prevaricator (or Liar) who claimed prophethood alongside Prophet Muhammad came from.  Just as the Khawarij threw accusations of blasphemy on Ali and Muawiya, Wahhabis throw accusations of blasphemy against Sunnis and Shiites.

The Al-Sa`ud and Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wahhab the founder of Wahhabism

Wahhabism is named after the its founder, Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wahhab (1703-1792), and has its roots in the land now known as Saudi Arabia. Without this man, the al-Sa`ud ‎, one of many clans spread over the Arabian peninsula, would not have had the inspiration, reason, and determination to consolidate the power that they did and wage "jihad" on people they perceived to be polytheists those who attribute partners in worship to Almighty God. How intimately close was al-Sa`ud‎s association with Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab? Robert Lacey eloquently illustrates this association:

Until [Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhabs] coming the Al Sa`ud ‎ had been a minor sheikhly clan like many others in Nejd, townsmen and farmers, making a comfortable living from trade, dates and perhaps a little horse-breeding, combining with the desert tribes to raid outwards when they felt strong, prudently retrenching in times of weakness.  Modestly independent, they were in no way empire builders, and it is not likely that the wider world would ever have heard of them without their alliance with the Teacher

The al-Sa`ud are originally from the village of ad-Diriyah, located in Najd, in eastern Arabia situated near modern day Riyadh, the capital of Sa`ud‎i Arabia.  Ancestors of Sauud Ibn Muhammad, whom little is known about, settled in the area as agriculturists and gradually grew in number over time into the clan of al-Sa`ud ‎.

Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab was raised in Uyainah, an oasis in southern Najd, and was from the Banu Tamim tribe. He came from a religious family and left Uyainah in pursuit of Islamic knowledge.  He traveled to Mecca, Medina, Iraq, and Iran to acquire knowledge from different teachers.  When he returned to his homeland of Uyainah, he preached what he believed to be Islam in its purity which was, in fact, a vicious assault on traditional Sunni Islam.

The orthodox Sunni scholar Jamil Effendi al-Zahawi said that the teachers of Ibn `Abdul-Wahhab, including two teachers he had studied with in Medina Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Sulayman al-Kurdi and Shaykh Muhammad Hayat al-Sindi became aware of his anti-Sunni Wahhabi creed and warned Muslims from him. His shaykhs, including the two aforementioned shaykhs, used to say:  God will allow him [to] be led astray; but even unhappier will be the lot of those misled by him.

Moreover, Ibn `Abdul-Wahhabs own father had warned Muslims from him, as did his biological brother, Sulayman Ibn `Abdul-Wahhab, an orthodox Sunni scholar who refuted him in a book entitled al-Sawaiq al-Ilahiyya fi al-radd `ala al-Wahhabiyya [Divine Lightnings in Refuting the Wahhabis].  Ibn `Abdul-Wahhab was refuted by the orthodox Sunni scholars for his many ugly innovations. Perhaps his most famous book, Kitab at-Tawheed (Book of Unity of God) is widely circulated amongst Wahhabis worldwide, including the United States. His book is popular in Wahhabi circles, although orthodox Sunni scholars have said that there is nothing scholarly about it, both in terms of its content and its style.

Ibn Taymiyah: the Wahhabi founders role model

It is worth giving an overview of a man named Ahmed Ibn Taymiyah (1263-1328) who lived a few hundred years before Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wahhab. The Wahhabi founder admired him as a role model and embraced many of his pseudo-Sunni positions. Who exactly was Ibn Taymiyah and what did orthodox Sunni scholars say about him? Muslim scholars had mixed opinions about him depending on his interpretation of various issues. His straying from mainstream Sunni Islam on particular issues of creed (`aqeedah) and  worship (`ibadat) made him an extremely controversial figure in the Muslim community.  

Ibn Taymiya has won the reputation of being the true bearer of the early pious Muslims, especially among reformist revolutionaries, while the majority of orthodox Sunnis have accused him of reprehensible bidah (reprehenisible innovation), some accusing him of kufr (unbelief).

It behooves one to ask why Ibn Taymiyah had received so much opposition from reputable Sunni scholars who were known for their asceticism, trustworthiness, and piety. Some of Ibn Taymiyahs anti-Sunni and controversial positions include:

(1) His claim that Allahs Attributes are literal, thereby attributing God with created attributes and becoming an anthropomorphist;

(2) His claim that created things existed eternally with Allah;

(3) His opposition to the scholarly consensus on the divorce issue;

(4) His opposition to the orthodox Sunni practice of tawassul (asking Allah for things using a deceased pious individual as an intermediary);

(5) His saying that starting a trip to visit the Prophet Muhammads (s) invalidates the shortening of prayer;

(6) His saying that the torture of the people of Hell stops and doesnt last forever;

(7) His saying that Allah has a limit (hadd) that only He Knows;

(8) His saying that Allah literally sits on the Throne (al-Kursi) and has left space for Prophet Muhammad (s) to sit next to Him;

(9) His claim that touching the grave of Prophet Muhammad (s) is polytheism (shirk);

(10) His claim that that making supplication at the Prophet Muhammads grave to seek a better status from Allah is a reprehensible innovation;

(11) His claim that Allah descends and comparing Allahs descent with his, as he stepped down from a minbar while giving a sermon (khutba) to Muslims;

(12) His classifying of oneness in worship of Allah (tawheed) into two parts:  Tawhid al-rububiyya and Tawhid al-uluhiyya, which was never done by pious adherents of the salaf.

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Posted 25 July 2006 - 09:59 PM

lool iam not "wahabi"  i heared they are eeeeeeevil persons with longs beards like the prophets sas and ali used to have and more "eeevil" practices

lol never would i want to be a "wahhabi"

alhamdolillah its me who decides what i am not  a slave of nudist 12th monkey imam and iam from Ahl Al Sunna wa Al Jama3a and u are from the Safawiyya Rafida cult

btw dont dividethe topic its about the 12th nudist dajjal

ive found something about him:

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Posted 25 July 2006 - 10:04 PM

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(1) His claim that Allahs Attributes are literal, thereby attributing God with created attributes and becoming an anthropomorphist;


I have been studying this issue a lot lately and it took me some struggling but i do believe i have come to the conclusion that following the salaf is safer than the way of the khalaf.

What you accuse him of being anthropomorphist is wrong? First your claiming the Quran came with kufr.  For an example Allah says to iblis 'Qaala ya iblisu man mana aka an tasjuda lima khalaqtu bi yada  

   The meaning of which would be  O Iblis what prevented you from prostrating to that which i created with my two hands.

Now according to you your stating that if we say 'Allah created adam alayhi salam with His two hands' then we are commiting kufr. So you are down right rejecting the ayah.

Secondly Ibn taymiyah rahimullah made tafwid of Kayf. Now im sure you dont even know this for you never studied his works he makes it clear. So he affirms Yad for Allah without any resemblance to creation whatsoever. So the meaning is known that yad is hand however the Hand of Allah is unlike our hand.

Its like you affirming Allah hears, and sees but ofcourse we hear and see.. however Allah's hearing and seeing is uncomparable to ours. His attributes are of perfection so even though they are similar in name doesnt mean they are similar in how they are . That is why we make tafwid of kayf so we say only Allah knows how it is.

So your busted already.

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(2) His claim that created things existed eternally with Allah;


Excuse me ???

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(4) His opposition to the orthodox Sunni practice of tawassul (asking Allah for things using a deceased pious individual as an intermediary);


Actually their is difference of opinion and what he called shirk is what the people do by means of seeking aid from the dead as you shia do.

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(7) His saying that Allah has a limit (hadd) that only He Knows;


Actually Allah does not contribute His Sublime being. For an example He does not contradict Himself by coming in form of man or having a son etc.

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(8) His saying that Allah literally sits on the Throne (al-Kursi) and has left space for Prophet Muhammad (s) to sit next to Him;


I've yet to see proof for this all i hear is people claiming that he secretly wrote this to his student LOL.

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(9) His claim that touching the grave of Prophet Muhammad (s) is polytheism (shirk);


Liar

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(10) His claim that that making supplication at the Prophet Muhammads grave to seek a better status from Allah is a reprehensible innovation;


Read his works on tawasul and check out kitab at tawhid by Shaykh salih fawzaan in section of Tawasul and also shaykh al albaanis book (tawasul its types and rulings)

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(11) His claim that Allah descends and comparing Allahs descent with his, as he stepped down from a minbar while giving a sermon (khutba) to Muslims;

Nonsense his belief about the descent was the same as imam bukhari in his reply to the jahmiyah

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(12) His classifying of oneness in worship of Allah (tawheed) into two parts: Tawhid al-rububiyya and Tawhid al-uluhiyya, which was never done by pious adherents of the salaf.


So wasnt categorizing ahadeeth and fiqh etc... so whats your point?
'One of the signs of Ahl us-sunnah is their love for the aa'immah of the Sunnah, the scholars, its friends and allies. They show enmity to the leaders of bid'ah, who are calling to hell and leading its followers to the place of failure. Indeed Allah, the One Free from all deficiencies, has adorned the hearts of ahl us-sunnah and englightened them by instilling a love for the scholars as a favour from Him, The Most Majestic' Aboo Uthmaan ismaa'eel ibn Abdur Rahmaan as-Saaboonee(d449) in his work (The Creed of the people of Hadeeth)





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