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#1 OFFLINE   Fatah-Momin

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Posted 24 December 2006 - 10:22 PM

Temporary Marriage

"You probably had your chador on the wrong way around," my friend explained. "That's one of the signals women use if they're looking for sigheh." Sigheh, or muta agreed between a man and woman and sanctioned by a cleric, can last as little as a few minutes or as long as ninety-nine years. Usually the man pays the woman an agreed sum of money in exchange for a temporary marriage. The usual motive is sex, but some temporary marriages are agreed upon for other purposes. When sex is the motive the transaction differs from prostitution in that the couple have to go before a cleric to record their contract, and in Iran, any children born of the union are legitimate. Otherwise, sigheh is free of the responsibilities of marriage: the couple can make any agreements they like regarding how much time they will spend together, how much money will be involved and what services, sexual or nonsexual, each will provide. Shiites believe Muhammad approved of sigheh. Sunnis, the majority branch of Islam, don't agree. Even in Shiite Iran, sigheh had fallen from favor until Rafsanjani encouraged it after the Iran-Iraq War which ended in 1988. In a 1990 sermon, he argued that the war had left a lot of young widows, many of them without hope of remarriage. Such women, he said, needed both material support and sexual satisfaction. [mutah is nothing but Iran sponsored Prostitution] At the same time, plenty of young men who couldn't afford to set up house for a bride were postponing marriage. Sexual tension needed healthy release, he said, and since sigheh existed for that purpose within Islam, why not use it? His remarks sparked a heated debate among Iranian women, some of whom bitterly opposed the practice as exploitative. They argued that the state should provide for war widows adequately, so that they didn't have to sell their bodies in sigheh. But others spoke out in its favor. Sigheh, they said, wasn't just a matter of money. Widows and divorcees had sexual needs and a desire for male company, and the sigheh "husband" was a welcome male presence for the children in their homes. Iran's satirical weekly magazine, Golagha, ran a cartoon lampooning the likely effects of Rafsanjani's argument. It showed two desks for marriage licenses, one for sigheh and one for permanent wedlock. The clerk at the permanent desk had no customers; the queue for sigheh stretched out the door. Mostly, it is poorer women who consent to sigheh. A lawyer friend told me about her cleaner, whose husband had died young and left her to support two children. "For a long time, she was a very bitter person," my friend said. "She would come to my house and see me enjoying my life with my husband and daughter, while her life was nothing but work." Then the cleaner contracted a temporary marriage. "Her personality changed overnight. It wasn't just the money. Suddenly, she had a man to spend time with, to take her out. In our culture, a man and a woman can't just go out on a date and enjoy each other's company, but with sigheh they can." Some Shiites also use sigheh to create a relationship that will allow a woman to appear unveiled in front of a man before whom it would otherwise be forbidden-for instance, a distant relative sharing the same house. These sigheh contracts are written to specify that no sexual relations are involved. In the West, some Shiite families are using sigheh as a way to make it possible for young couples to get to know each other well before marriage. A sigheh contract that bans sexual relations can allow a boy and girl to date each other for the duration of their engagement, without defying religion or tradition. Sigheh also provides an answer to the kinds of infertility problems that Westerners are now trying to solve with legal contracts for surrogate motherhood. In the Sunni branch of Islam, if a woman is infertile her husband usually divorces her or brings home a second wife. In Iran, a sigheh contract can be drawn up signifying that the object of the temporary marriage is a child that the husband and his permanent wife will raise. Sigheh is also the only way a Shiite man can marry a nonMuslim woman. Unlike the Sunnis, who allow Muslim men to marry other monotheists, Shiites demand conversion from all non-Muslim women, as well as non-Muslim men, before a permanent marriage is valid. Rafsanjani's revival of sigheh came as a boon to nonreligious Iranians whose private lives had been disrupted by revolutionary intrusions.

Edited by Fatah-Momin, 24 December 2006 - 10:31 PM.


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Posted 24 December 2006 - 10:33 PM

The Mut'ah Pimps - Rotten Fruits of Shi'ism       

The Mut'ah Pimps - Rotten Fruits of Shi'ism

According to an official source in Tehran, there has been a 635 percent increase in the number of teenage girls in prostitution, or rather, Mutah. The magnitude of this statistic conveys how rapidly this form of abuse has grown. In Tehran, there are an estimated 84,000 women and girls in prostitution, many of them are on the streets, others are in the 250 brothels that reportedly operate in the city. The trade is also international: thousands of Iranian women and girls have been been "contracted in Mutah" to foreigners abroad. The head of Irans Interpol bureau believes that the Mutah trade is one of the most profitable activities in Iran today.


High unemployment 28 percent for youth 15-29 years of age and 43 percent for women 15-20 years of age ‑ is a serious factor in driving restless youth to accept Mutah. The Mutah "pimps" take advantage of any opportunity in which women and children are vulnerable. For example, following the recent earthquake in Bam, orphaned girls have been contracted out in Tehran where Iranian and foreign traders meet.

Popular destinations for girls sent for Mutah are the Arab countries in the Persian Gulf. According to the head of the Tehran province judiciary, Mutah traffickers target girls between 13 and 17, although there are reports of some girls as young as 8 and 10, to send to Arab countries. The number of Iranian women and girls who are deported from Persian Gulf countries indicates the magnitude of the trade.

Police have uncovered a number of Mutah rings operating from Tehran that have sold girls to France, Britain, Turkey, as well. One network based in Turkey bought smuggled Iranian women and girls, gave them fake passports, and transported them to European and Persian Gulf countries. In one case, a 16-year-old girl was smuggled to Turkey, and then sold in Mutah to a 58-year-old European national for $20,000.

In the northeastern Iranian province of Khorasan, local police report that girls are being sold in Mutah to Pakistani men. The Pakistani men temporarily marry the girls, ranging in age from 12 to 20; they are also sent to Mutah brothels called Kharabat in Pakistan. One network was caught contacting poor families around Mashad and offering to temporary marry girls. The girls were then taken through Afghanistan to Pakistan where they were sent to Mutah brothels to work.

In the southeastern border province of Sistan Baluchestan, thousands of Iranian girls reportedly have been sold in Mutah to Afghani men. Their final destinations are unknown.

One factor contributing to the increase in prostitution and the sex slave trade is the number of teen girls who are running away from home. As a result of runaways, in Tehran alone there are an estimated 25,000 street children, most of them girls. Mutah "pimps" prey upon street children, runaways, and vulnerable high school girls in city parks. In one case, a woman was discovered selling Iranian girls to men in Persian Gulf countries; for four years, she had hunted down runaway girls and sold them. She even sold her own daughter for US$11,000.

In cities, shelters have been set-up to provide assistance for runaways. Officials who run these shelters are often corrupt; they run prostitution rings using the girls from the shelter. For example in Karaj, the former head of a Revolutionary Tribunal and seven other senior officials were arrested in connection with a Mutah prostitution ring that used 12 to 18 year old girls from a shelter called the Center of Islamic Orientation.

Other instances of corruption abound. There was a judge in Karaj who was involved in a network that identified young girls to be sold in Mutah abroad. And in Qom, the center for religious training in Iran, when a Mutah prostitution ring was broken up, some of the people arrested were from government agencies, including the Department of Justice.

Officials of the Social Department of the Interior Ministry are worried about the increase in sexually transmitted diseases. Unlike other Muslim countries which have a relatively low HIV rate in comparison to the rest of the world, Iran is facing a long and hard battle with HIV due to the institution of Mutah, which is not permissible in the Sunni school of thought. At least 500,000 women make their living from Mutah in Iran, and at least 1.7 million women in Iran have engaged in it on a regular basis, according to sources in Tehran.

- Extracted from an article written by Dr. Donna M. Hughes who is a Professor and holds the Carlson Endowed Chair in Womens Studies at the University of Rhode Island.

Webmaster's Note: If everyone practised Mutah, which is what Shi'ism encourages, then we'd all probably die of STDs. Should we really follow a religion that would be the death sentence of humanity!? There are Shia hadith which say that a man should perform Mutah with a thousand women! The medical implications of the implementation of these Shia beliefs would mean an epidemic of diseases. It should also be noted that Mutah is not only a problem in Tehran but also in Western University campuses, where it is well-known that Shia guys are engaging in Mutah, oftentimes preying on innocent Sunni and Shia girls. Mainstream Muslims shun such practices that are commonly practiced by the heretic Shia's. Mu'tah is unIslamic and Shia's do not represent Islam.


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Posted 25 December 2006 - 06:05 AM

lol. If dower amount for Mutah marriage is like selling the body, then will it mean that dower amount for permanant marriage is selling body permananatly? People here do every immoral act but the same raise voice againt Mutah marriage which is clearly allowed in the light of holy Quran and hadiths of Prophet (pbuh). By the passage of time world is understanding the concept of Mutah marriage. You do not want, ok then do whatever you want to do. Be open tell me how many unmarried men can avoid major sin of mensturation? There might be difference of period. Some might do it after one day. Some after three days or some after a week. But let us suppose one doesnot have a permanant wife then what he should do? Like the economic conditions in the world. There are many poor families who do not earn much to marry and afford a family what should they do? They should mensturate in your view i think. Place your hand on holy Quran and say that you never did mensturation or if you are married then you never did it when you were not married. Before raising hue and cry against legitimacy of Mutah marriage see your own peopl in Egypt, morocco and Saudi Arab who are doing Missyar marriage. That must also be a Zina before you. Why do not you register your self in http://www.missyar.com/

Edited by Muhammad_Bin_AbuBakr, 25 December 2006 - 06:09 AM.

عدة من أصحابنا، عن أحمد بن محمد، عن ابن فضال، عن علي بن عقبة، عن أبيه قال: سمعت أبا عبدالله عليه السلام يقول: اجعلوا أمركم لله، ولا تجعلوه للناس فإنه ما كان لله فهو لله، وما كان للناس فلا يصعد إلى الله، ولا تخاصموا الناس لدينكم فإن المخاصمة ممرضة للقلب، إن الله تعالى قال لنبيه صلى الله عليه وآله: " إنك لا تهدي من أحببت ولكن الله يهدي من يشاء " وقال: " أفأنت تكره الناس حتى يكونوا مؤمنين " ذروا الناس فإن الناس أخذوا عن الناس وإنكم أخذتم عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله، إني سمعت أبي عليه السلام يقول: إن الله عزوجل إذا كتب على عبد أن يدخل في هذا الامر كان أسرع إليه من الطير إلى وكره.

A number of our companions from Ahmad b. Muhammad from ibn Faddal from Ali b. ‘Uqba from his father. He said: I heard Abu ‘Abdallah (عليه السلام) saying: Make your affair for Allah and do not make it for the people. Whatever is for Allah then it is for Allah. And whatever is for people will not ascend to Allah. Do not quarrel with the people about your religion because quarreling sickens the heart. Allah عزوجل said to His Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله “Verily you do not guide whomever you love, but Allah guides whomever He wants” (28:56). “Would you compel the people until they be believers?" (10:99). Leave the people alone because the people have taken from people and you have taken from the Messenger of Allahصلى الله عليه وآله . I heard my father (عليه السلام) saying, "When Allah عزوجل writes for a servant to enter in this affair he will be faster to it than the bird to its nest." (al-Kafi)

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Posted 25 December 2006 - 08:27 AM

^You are a shia you accept universality of Zina Mutah, I am a muslim son of Ummal Momineen Sayadah Hz. Ayesha Siddika[ra] and I reject any inovation in Islam including this Missyar Marriage.

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Posted 25 December 2006 - 08:50 AM

we just have Lanat for such scholars and the person who is introducing it from any school of thought now do you have courrage to send lanat on your pop , pal , pundit or padries ?
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Posted 25 December 2006 - 08:56 AM

The companions practised mut'a, and it was never banned.

End of story.

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^You are a shia you accept universality of Zina Mutah,

So according to you,  http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image015.gif allowed zina, and the Prophet and companions committed zina?

You fool.

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Posted 25 December 2006 - 09:06 AM

View PostMuhammad_Bin_AbuBakr, on Dec 25 2006, 11:05 AM, said:

You do not want, ok then do whatever you want to do. Be open tell me how many unmarried men can avoid major sin of mensturation? There might be difference of period. Some might do it after one day. Some after three days or some after a week. But let us suppose one doesnot have a permanant wife then what he should do? Like the economic conditions in the world. There are many poor families who do not earn much to marry and afford a family what should they do? They should mensturate in your view i think. Place your hand on holy Quran and say that you never did mensturation or if you are married then you never did it when you were not married.

Menstruation is for women not men. And if you are talking about masturbation which is what I think you meant, than the solution for the unmarried is to fast rather to wanking it.

The economic condition of the Muslims? This is the reason for mutah? Islam already solved the problem of economic conditions in the necessity of paying zakah, if people are not paying zakah, than that does not mean you come with new solutions for the poor (like mutah). It means you go and force zakah out of the people who aren't willing to pay it as they are murtad.

You claimed that the mutah has numerous evidence from Qur'an and Ahadith, if so than bring it. The only ahadith that might support mut'ah would come from your sex-crazed Rawafid fabrications but not from the Sahih ahadeeth.

I said to Ibn 'Abbas, "During the battle of Khaibar the Prophet forbade (Nikah) Al-Mut'a and the eating of donkey's meat." (Sahih al Bukhari 7/62/50)

Narrated 'Ali:Allah's Apostle prohibited Al-Mut'a marriage and the eating of donkey's meat in the year of the Khaibar battle (7/67/432)




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Before raising hue and cry against legitimacy of Mutah marriage see your own peopl in Egypt, morocco and Saudi Arab who are doing Missyar marriage. That must also be a Zina before you. Why do not you register your self in http://www.missyar.com/

There is a difference between what the people do and what was commanded. If you want us to judge you by the visual alone, than there was a Rafidi Iranian here who tried to run people over in his car at a university after the Dutch cartoon controversy. Completely unrelated people for something done by the Dutch. And by this I can say you Rawafid do not know how to drive, but if I want to say something about Rawafid and use my brain than I wouldn't be quoting what the masses of Rawafid have done but rather what your scholars ordered you to do and what the ahadith you fabricate teach you to do.

And if some of the people who call themselves Ahlus Sunnah are doing this disgusting act than they are no better than you and just like you in that they have commited a biddah in a religon perfected. And no Muslim here would claim any association with these scum but perhaps you Rawafid will get along with them just fine.

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The companions practised mut'a, and it was never banned.

End of story.
So according to you,  http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image015.gif allowed zina, and the Prophet and companions committed zina?

You fool.


No, you're the fool. See the authentic narrations, it may have been allowed at a time but it later came to be prohibited. Not everything is done just at once, and the same was the case of alchoholic drinks which used to be permissable but came to be haram.

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Posted 25 December 2006 - 09:07 AM

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The companions practised mut'a, and it was never banned.

i am interested in the offspringer of Hazrat Ali r.z including their women why (purpose) and when (date and time )  they did mutah , especially from Imam Zainul ABedeeb , to Imam Hasan askari and prove it if last imam is not formed after the act of muta

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Posted 25 December 2006 - 09:27 AM

According to the shia historian Imam Baqir practised Mutah every year on the day of Khaibar as celebration of the occassion.

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Posted 25 December 2006 - 09:36 AM

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According to the shia historian Imam Baqir practised Mutah every year on the day of Khaibar as celebration of the occassion.

wow what a Nobel imam , did he had any kid from that blessed action ? and did he told and teach the same blessings to women of his family ?>
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Posted 25 December 2006 - 09:50 AM

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No, you're the fool. See the authentic narrations, it may have been allowed at a time but it later came to be prohibited. Not everything is done just at once, and the same was the case of alchoholic drinks which used to be permissable but came to be haram.

According to the sunni myths, the Prophet allowed mut'a, then forbade it (at Khaybar), then he allowed it (in Mecca) then forbade it.

Also, other narrations claim 'Hazrat Umar r.z forbade it, and that it was infact practised during the time of hazrat Abu Bakr r.z.

And furthermore, narrations state that Ibn 'Abbas r.z said mut'a was legal.

Was this the case with alcohol?

No, your analogy is useless little boy.

Edited by Umer Bin Alas, 26 December 2006 - 07:39 AM.

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Posted 25 December 2006 - 10:41 AM

View PostHusayn, on Dec 25 2006, 02:50 PM, said:

According to the sunni myths, the Prophet allowed mut'a, then forbade it (at Khaybar), then he allowed it (in Mecca) then forbade it.

Also, other narrations claim 'Umar forbade it, and that it was infact practised during the time of Abu Bakr.

And furthermore, narrations state that Ibn 'Abbas said mut'a was legal.

Was this the case with alcohol?

No, your analogy is useless little boy.

Ya Jahil I don't see how my age plays into the matter, when a message is sent out, all the Muslims don't receive it at once. And this was the case with the Qur'an itself as it had to be compiled by Uthman (ra) and Abu Bakr(ra) before him.

With alchohal the prohibition came directly from Al Qur'an and when the message is divine revelation it is expected to travel faster anyways. But when a message is limited to some Mujahideen heading off to Khaibar or heading away from Khaibar than the message would be expected to not make it as fast to some places as it did to others. We don't attribute super-natural qualities to men with a falacitious hope that they will one day intercede us, we have to look at what happened reasonablly.

As for a message not reaching everyone, there is such an example in the case of Abu Bakr Siddiq (ra) who had received the part of the message ("Anbiya do not leave inheritence") but he had not received the part of the message that it was not the case for grandmothers and so he still had to hand over inheritance to them when he was told of this narration by the other Sahabhi (ra). Clearly than the problem wasn't that mut'ah is or is not forbidden or wether inheritence is given at all or not at all, but it was a problem of communication that wouldn't be properlly solved until ahadith begun to be collected and written in bigger collections encompassing views from all over the Muslim world, or at least from qadis from entire areas.

Another similar case was when Ali (ra) burned the ghulat because he had not yet received the message forbidding burning people alive. This doesn't mean that the message didn't exist but that it had not reached certain people.

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Also, other narrations claim 'Umar forbade it, and that it was infact practised during the time of Abu Bakr.
Show them than. As for them being practiced during the time of Abu Bakr Siddiq (ra), he had opened the doors of jihad and launched it against 11 fronts. This doesn't allow a man to go from ta'if to medina and make sure that every tribe is properlly practicing shari'ah and in some towns they weren't even doing the prayer properlly and it's recounted that when Khalid Bin Walid (ra) led a prayer they criticized him though he had led it in the sunnah of rasulallah(saw).

Edited by deathpasser, 25 December 2006 - 10:42 AM.

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Posted 25 December 2006 - 10:50 AM

deathpasser, the above post is useless and irrelevant, and does not address any of the points I raised regarding your false analogy.

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Posted 25 December 2006 - 12:00 PM

View PostHusayn, on Dec 25 2006, 03:50 PM, said:

deathpasser, the above post is useless and irrelevant, and does not address any of the points I raised regarding your false analogy.

I wasn't responding about my analogy, which I accepted as being incorrect (otherwise I would've replied about it). I was responding to your baseless claim against the narrations as being "sunni myths" when the "myth" can be easily resolved as a matter of communication.

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Posted 25 December 2006 - 12:09 PM

Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 51:
Narrated Abu Jamra:
I heard Ibn Abbas (giving a verdict) when he was asked about the Mut'a with the women, and he permitted it (Nikah-al-Mut'a). On that a freed slave of his said to him, "That is only when it is very badly needed and women are scarce." On that, Ibn 'Abbas said, "Yes."

Muslim Book 008, Number 3248:
Ibn Uraij reported: 'Ati' reported that jibir b. Abdullah came to perform 'Umra, and we came to his abode, and the people asked him about different things, and then they made a mention of temporary marriage, whereupon he said: Yes, we had been benefiting ourselves by this temporary marriage during the lifetime of theHoly Prophet (may peace be upon him) and during the tinie of Abi! Bakr and 'Umar

Muslim Book 008, Number 3250:
Abu Nadra reported: While I was in the company of Jabir b. Abdullah, a person came to him and said that Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Zubair differed on the two types of Mut'as (Tamattu' of Hajj 1846 and Tamattu' with women), whereupon Jabir said: We used to do these two during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). Umar then forbade us to do them, and so we did not revert to them.

Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 43:
Narrated 'Imran bin Husain:
The Verse of Muta was revealed in Allah's Book, so we performed it with Allah's Apostle, and nothing was revealed in Qur'an to make it illegal, nor did the Prophet prohibit it till he died. But the man (who regarded it illegal) just expressed what his own mind suggested.

Edited by Sayyed Ali, 25 December 2006 - 12:21 PM.

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Posted 25 December 2006 - 07:30 PM

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Posted 26 December 2006 - 07:41 AM

i am looking for the answer of mine question why shia dont answer me ? @ lol
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Posted 26 December 2006 - 07:49 AM

View PostSayyed Ali, on Dec 25 2006, 05:09 PM, said:



I don't think you would bother reading it if I did indeed reply, but the answer to  the narrations you posted is for the most part answered in the link given by akhi Fatah Momin so for that reason it would be more wasteful of my time (and I wouldn't be learning anything new since I do not think you Rawafid have any reply on top of the answer already given by Fatah's link).

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