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Posted 19 February 2008 - 08:50 PM

I want to open a topic about asool kafi ,that what is the position of it in the eyes of shia ulmas.

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Posted 19 February 2008 - 08:57 PM

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 12:56 AM

It is an important book (if not the most important book of hadith). However, it is not Sahih as sunnis consider Bukhari or Muslim. It has many false, illogical hadith. You may ask the question why this book was compiled when there are so many hadith in it that are so wrong. The reason is the book was compiled for scholars and not the lay person. It is used to illustrate why certain hadith are incorrect, trailing through isnad's, arabic dialectic changes between different hadith etc etc. There are a lot of hadith in there attributed to ghulats and lot of anti-shia's pick on these hadith saying this is what Shia's believe when we do not. Do not consider Usool e Kafi as Sahih like Sunni's believe some of their collection of hadith. The only Book that is perfect and free from error is The Holy Quran

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 02:00 AM

what are some hadith books for the laymen?

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 02:21 AM

There are lots but usually in collections highlighting certain aspects of Islam. If you want to be sure of something Shia's believe in then if it is written by a marja I would accept that. I suppose on of the most famous cotemporary hadith is by Ayatollh Khomeini (ra). I cannot put links here but his book is online at the al-islam site. Also on the alqaim.info site there are lots of hadith.

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Posted 21 February 2008 - 07:58 AM

Brother - they do have a collection called as Sahih al kaafi but you can't expect these laymen to know their religion (that is why many ulema limit takfir to their ulema only and judge the individual differently).

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Posted 22 February 2008 - 07:37 AM

وقال الأمام الحجة المنتظر «عج»: «الكافى كاف لشيعتنا» وهو من اول الكتب الأساس الاربعة
http:// www.ahl-ul-bait.org /arabic/ nokhbegan/ koleini.htm
"And imam hujjatul muntazir (aka 12 imam) looked to the book and said: "al Kafi enough for our shias", and this is the first book from the "arba" (Al Kafi, Man la yahduruhul fakih, Istibsar, Tahzib)"

Some Shi'ites scholars believe it was presented to al-Qa'im (al-Mahdi) [as] who liked it and said: It suffices our Shi'ites" al-Tharee'ah ela Tasaneef al-Shi'a: Agha Buzurg al-Tahraani; vol.17, p.245

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 12:02 AM

QUOTE (Fatah-Momin @ Feb 22 2008, 07:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Asalaamu 'Alaikum

I also remember coming across a hadith of theres (from Bihar I believe) in which they attributed a similar thing to an angel, do you know this hadith and can you post the source for it (JazakAllahKhair).

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 01:40 AM

AOA...Thanks for all the comments uptill now,I want some more info about the book ,coz when u quote some thing from the book shia just deny the authenticity of the book...If somebody can give their scholars quotes about it....can any shia tell what is the criteria of the right or wrong ....and if a book has so many lies in it why dont they throw it ,or it least they should publish a suplement of asool kafi whom they should name LIES OF KAFI...and also give the reason why so many narrations became wrong after so many years.....OR IT IS JUST A TAQQIYA...I mean they believe on those narrations but as a taqqiya just denies them to conceal their Kufria believes like tehreef quran....But i have a good suggestion that if shia believes in quran they should send a LANAT on those who denied the Authenticity of quran more than any body else, coz it is the biggest sin...

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 08:18 AM

There is a chapter of Muta in Al Kafi, and Imam Sadiq (as) says that muta is allowed and even our daughters do it (naozobillah)..

The problem with the 4 main shia hadith books of the 12r is that there is not much information about the narrators. All the 12rs do is imply that that the extreme hadith are by extreme shias.

For Sunni hadith we don't have this problem. If the hadith has a problem we at least have information about the narrators aqeeda. In fact we even have Rafidi narrators inputs like Abbad bin Yaqoob Rawajni who are found in Bukhari's and Muslim narration. Bukhari and Muslim can qualify shias to be placed under sahih authenticity but the 12rs couldn't even bring gather one sahih hadith in their books.

Imam Ali (as) Addresses the People of Kufa

O subjects of Allah, what has come of you, (that) when I order you to mobilize for the course of Allah on a course to Allah you show a gravity towards the Earth; you are tied down to your worldly interests? Are you satisfied with this worldly life in exchange for the ultimate or other worldly life? Are you satisfied with humiliation and degradation in lieu of glory and honor as a manner in your social life? Why is it that every time I order you to Jihad, your eyes begin to turn in your heads as if you are in the throes of death and as if you have stony hearts? At times of non-combat social life, you appear to be lions but when you are called to warfare and the clash of arms then you are like canny foxes.

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 08:21 AM

QUOTE (MohammadMufti @ Feb 23 2008, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Bihar is a compilation of Mullah Baqir al majlisi the biggest scholar of the 12rs. Yes the 12rs never want to discuss his works with us. Where is answering ansaar when the comes to mullah baqir's extreme statement ?

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 12:01 PM

At this point, I have a question that do shias have a book which is half(50%) authentic...Can any body please answer me...

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Posted 09 March 2008 - 11:20 AM

I read some where ,Acording to Shia books,. That hazrat Fatima(rA)became upset on hazrat Hussain(RA) birth.And bcoz of this Hazrat hussain was also angry to his mother, CAN ANY BODY PROVIDE ME THE EXACT REFERENCE .

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 01:57 AM

QUOTE (Abdaal @ Feb 26 2008, 08:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Imam Muhammad Al Baqir (as) told his student Jaabir Al Ja'fee: "O Jaabir, I know that some people in Iraq claim that they like us, but they try to undermine Abu Bakr (RA) and Umar (RA) claiming that I instructed them to do so. Tell them that indeed, I denounce them for the sake of Allah, and if I were in charge, by Him in whose hands is the soul of Muhammed, I would slaughter them and shed their blood in order to get closer to Allah. May the intercession of Muhammed not cover me if I do not ask Allah to forgive both Abu Bakr and Umar and give them both His mercy. Allah's enemies are absent minded and neglectful of them."

Imam Zayd ash Shaheed (as) said regarding Syedna Abu Bakr (ra) and Syedna Umar (ra) “I have never heard any of my family dissociate from them, and I have nothing but good to say about them

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