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death_is_not_far said:

Is mozo ko shoro karty huy jo baat sab sy pehly aati hai wo asal main wo khadess hai jisy "khadees lanoras" ka naam bi diya gya hai .... ye khadess Abu Bakr( ra) ..... (main khar shahs ka akhtarm mukhalif kay nazriyee ka mutabik karon ga) ....... Jab Hazrat Fatima(ra) ny aap kay samny Fadak ka matalba kiya to Abu Bkar(ra) ny jawab diya kay NAbi(saw) ki khadees mubarik hai kay "Kham grohe Ambiya na meeras leety hain na hi meeras choorty hain" ....

YAhi wo ikhtalaf hai jo Musalmano ko do garohon main bant deeta hai...

Pehli baat ye ke ye koi itna bara issue nahi hai aur na hi wo "main" waja hai jiski waja se musalmanon mai tafreeq hoti hai balkay iss issue ko, aur is jaise hi chotay motay doosray issues ko bari kahani bana ke aap logon ne apna religion ki bunyaad banai hai. Humary liye ye issue bohot sarsari hai.

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KHmara nazriya hai kay Amnbiya kay waris hooty hain... aur Abu Bakr(ra) ny jo khadees pesh ki wo ghalt thi....

Ye hai Wo baat jis par bakhs ka ghaaz ho ga ... main ye sabit karny ki koshish karon ga kay peghanmabr Maal ko wirsy main deety hain aur leety hain.......

Sab se pehli baat ye ke hum bhi maantay hain ke Ambiya (as) ke waris hotay hain magar woh Maal o Dolat ke waris nahi hotay balkay Ilm-e-Deen ya Nabuwwat ke Waris hotay hain. Doosri baat ye ke ye hadees sirf humari kitaboon mai nahi hai balkay aapki kitaboon se bhi sahi sabit hai isliye aap Hadhrat Abu bakar (ra) pe ye ilzam nahi laga saktay ke unhonay jhooti ya ghalat hadees pesh ki thi.

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Ye hai Wo baat jis par bakhs ka ghaaz ho ga ... main ye sabit karny ki koshish karon ga kay peghanmabr Maal ko wirsy main deety hain aur leety hain.......

Mairy Dalail....

Daleel No: 1
Agar Anmbiya meeras na leety hain aur na choorty hain to Quran main Hazrat DAood aur Sulimaan ki wirasat sy moorad kiya hai 
Quran aik aur maqam par surat Maryam ki pehli ayaat main waziha irshaad farmata hai kay zakriya (ra) Allah tala sy aik waris ka mutaba kar rahy hain .... Shahid aap ka jawab ye ho kay wo Ilm kay liyee waris maang rahy thy to ayat is baat ko jutla rahi hai kyon k ayat main waziha hai kay unhein apny Jahil rishty daron sy dar tha.... Zahri baat hai ye dar maal ka hi ho sakta hai na kay Ilm ka..

Sab se pehlay mai Surah Mariam ki Ayatoon ka tarjuma type karoonga takay sab ke liye clear ho jaye.  Uske baad aapke dalael par comments donga.

19:1 Kaf. Ha. Ya. 'Ain. Sad
19:02: Ye tumharay Rub ki meherbani ka zikr hai, jo usne apne banday Zakariya (as) par ki thi.
19:03: Jab Zakariya ne apne Rub ko aahista aahista pukara
19:04: Kaha! aye meray Rub, meri haddiyan burhapay ke sabab kamzor ho gai hain, aur sar mai safaidi phel gai hai, aur aye meray Rub! aap se mang kar kabhi mehroom nahi raha
19:05: Aur main apne peechay apne rishtaydaaron se khauf khata hoon, aur meri biwi baanjh hai, tu mujhe apne paas se aik waris aa'ta farma
19:06: Jo mera aur Yaqoob (as) ka Waris banay, aur aye meray Rub, usko khush atwar bana

Ab aapki ye daleel ke hadhrat Zakariya (as) ne Allah swt se waris Maal o Daulaat ki rakhwali ke liye manga tha bilkul baudi hai keunke:
1. Koi bhi naik insaan jisay Allah aur uske deen se muhabbat ho woh duniyavi cheezon ke parwa nahi karta balkay usay Zikr-e-Allah se hi fursat nahi milti to aisa kaisay ho sakta hai ke woh Maal o daulaat ki parwa karay? Jab koi aam sa naik aadmi Maal o daulaat ki parwa nahi karta to phir Zakariya (as) to nabi thay aur unke liye aisa samajhna ke unhai deen ke bajaye dunyavi zarooriyat ki hifazat ke liye waris chahiye tha to ye aik tarhan ki insult ho gai Nabi ki.  
Sheikh Mujahid, Qatadah aur As-Suddi sab is baat par muttafiq hain ke Hadhrat Zakariya (as) ko apne rishtaydaaron se jo dar tha woh ye tha ke woh aur unke bachay aur aanay wali generations Kharab aur fasid hogi isliye unhonay Allah swt se dua mangi thi ke Allah unko aik betay se nawazain jo ke naik aur Saleh hoon aur unke logon ke liye hidayat ka rasta hoon.  Unhai maal o daulaat ka dar nahi tha keunke aik nabi ka ruta bohot bara hota hai aur woh duniyavi cheezon ki parwa nahi kartay.
2. Doosra point ye ke Hadhrat Zakariya (as) ka pesha Carpentary tha aur amooman is qisam ka kaam karnay walay loag zyada daulaat mand nahi huwa kartay balkay tamam Ambiya (as) ka ye shuar raha hai ke woh bohot saa'da zindagi guzara kartay thay aur unke pas jo maal o daulaat hota bhi tha to usko bhi doosroon mai bant diya kartay thay.  To aap bataiye ke hadhrat Zakariya (as) ke pas kahan se jaidaad aa gai thi jiske liye woh aik waris chahtay thay?
3. Teesra point ye ke Arabi zabaan ka lafz al-irth (inheritance) ka sirf duniyavi cheezon ki wirasat se matlab nahi hai balkay iska aik istemaal Ilm, Nabuwat, aur Hukoomat ke bhi hain.  Misal ke taur pe Surah Fatir ki Ayat # 34 main Allah swt farmatay hain ke: Phir humne un logon ko Kitab ka Waris banaya jinko apne bandon mein se bargazeeda kiya... Aur iske elawa Surah Mominoon ki Ayat # 9-11 mai Allah tala farmatay hain ke: Aur jo apni namazon ki pabandi kartay hain to aisay loag �waris� honay walay hain jo jannat-ul-firdaus ke waris hongay.

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Daleel No: 2

Agar Anmbiya meeras leety hi nahin to mujy ye batyee kay Hazrat Um-e-Eman jo NAbi(saw) ki loondi thein aur RAsool(saw) kay Aba sy Rasool(saw) ki meeras main ayein thein ... Unhein NAbi(saw) ny meeras main kyon liyaa 

Mujhe aapki baat samajh nahi aai.  Pehlay to is cheez ka hawala dijiye uske baad bataye ke is baat ka Nabi ke �jaidaad� ke waris chorne se kya taluq hai?

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DAleel No:3

Agar waqi Amnbiya na meeras leety hain aur na deety hain to mujy ye batya jay kay Nabi(saw) ki biwiyan jin gharon main mukeem thein wo ghar Kis kay Thay  Khar Koi Janta hai kay wo Ghar Nabi(saw) kay hi thy to kiya aap batein gay kay jab Fatima (ra) sy FAdk cheen liya gya to Biwiyon sy kyon na cheena gya kiya aysaa karny sy kahein un ki apni hi beetiyon sy gharon kay chin jany ki baat to samny nahin thi  Kiya is sy Apny uqraba sy mukhabt aur Akhly Beet sy kholoo adawat jahir nahin hooti

Nabi saws ki biviyoon ko who ghar �wirsay� mai nahi milay thay balkay who wahan rehti thin keunke who unke ghar thay aur nabi saws ki wafat ke baad bhi wohi unka thikana raha tha.  Aapki bongi daleel se hargiz bhi Ahle bait ke liye kisi ki adaawat sabit nahi hoti keunke jo baat hadhrat Abu baker (ra) ne hadhrat Fatima (ra) ko sunai thi woh �Nabi� ki hadees sunai thi apna qol nahi!

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[B]Daleel No:4

RAsool(saw) kay paas jo ghooro thy jis main sy aik ka naam murtajas bi tha wo tak Imaam Husain (as) kay paas tha wo kysaa un tak pohancha

Aapki is baat ka hawala kya hai?

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             [COLOR=blue][SIZE=7]Shukriya brother jawab deeny ka main jald hi aap ki baat ko aagy baraty huy mozo ko aagy baraon ga..... Plz w8.....
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(A.Salam)
          
                 Sab sy pehly to mazrat kay main jawab buhat dair sy kar raha hon bas kuch wajohaat ki bana par late hua mazrat qabool kijiyee ga.
            
           Ab aata hon asal mozo ki tarf  aur us baat ko aggy barata hon jo chal rahi thi....  Janab sab sy pehly to main Surat Maryam ki ayat number 5 ki tarf aap ki tawajo doobara karana pasand karon ga.  Aap ny us ayat ka hawala zaroor diya nagar aik cheez aap miss kar gay . Wo ye kay us ayat main Allah Subhana Tala irshad farma rahy hain kay Hazrat Yahya(as) ny dua karty huy ye bi kaha tha kay mujy apny jahil rishty daron sy dar lagta hai.......  Main yahan pochny ka khaq rakhta hon kay aik lamhy kay liyee agar ye baat tasleem bi kar li jay kay Anmbiya mali wirasat nahin chooraty aur wo ilm ko hi warsy main deety hain to mujy ye batayee kay Ilm to aysee doolat hai jo na choori ho sakti hai na gum to phir In Nabi (as) ko kyon dar tha aur kis baat ka? Ho sakta hai kay aap ye kahein kay wo ilm kay waris kay liyee dua kar rahy thy kyon kay wo buhat keemati doolat hai aur jahil loogon sy us ka dar laga rahta hai... Magar tab maira sawal ye ho ga kay Yahya (as) aik aysee cheez kay liyee kyon dua kar rahy thy kay jo Allah apni marzi sy beejta hai (yani rasool) aur jis ka rab ny khud wada kiya hai to phir wo dua (?) kiya mani(?)

            Ye to baat thi kay peghmbar apna nali wirsa choorty hain ya na aur umeed hai kay aap mairy is sawal ka  jawab day dein gay isi liyee main mazeed mozo ko aagy barata hon aur bakhs ka rukh Fatima(as) ki tarf moorta hon.
                    
                       Pehly main apni tarf sy dalail deeny ki bajay wo khutba peesh karna chahta hon jo bibi Fatima(as) ny Abu Bakr kay darbaar main peesh kiya aur us kay baad kuch sawalt othaon ga.
        
                   Khutba:

      
                                    Khawala-e- Kutab:


                                                        (Sahi bukhari jild 3,  Sahi Mulim jild 2 bab qool-e- nabi , Masnad ahmed bin hanmbal jild 1 , Tzkira Alkhawas alumaah sabat ibne Jozi , Bila ghat tun nar abu fazal Johar bin tahir , tafseer kabeer (fakhr-ui-deen razi) jild 3, tfseer neesha poori jild 3 , Riyaaz nasara mukhib -u- deen tibri , sawaiq mukharqa ibne Khjar makki  ,  Shata lamhat fi Shara Mashkawa Sha Abul Khaq  Mukhadas Dakhliwi jild 3 , NAiq ul Lughaat Allama Zimhashri , Nahayat ul halool Ibni Ashar Jrazi , marooj ul dahab Masoosi , kitab ul saqeefa wal Fidak Abu BAkr Ahmed Bin Abdulazeez johri.   )                          
                             Agar aap kay dil main waqai ahly bait ki mukhabat hai to dekhty hain kay Bibi Fatima(as) ny jo khutba diya kiya us ny sab pool khool kar na rakh diyee (?)  aur sab chery aashkara na ho gay (?)
                        
                                 Hazrat Ftima(as) apny sar par chadar aur kar apni kaneezon kay hamra Abu Bakr kay darbar main hazir hoein. Abu Bakr mukhajreen aur ansaar kay aik groh kay saath beethy huy thay. Aik pardy kay peechy Fatima(as) ko beetha diya gya aur unhon ny wahan jo khutba diya to loog roony pary. Jon hi wo chup huy to aap ny allah ki tareef biyaan ki aur Nabi(saw) kay akhkaam yaad dalay.Aur ummat par Nabi(saw) kay ahsanat ka zikar kiya. Phir farmaya kay Allah ny Nbi(saw) ko dunya sy otha liya aur un kay othny kay bad hi tum loogon main dushmani aur nafaq zahir ho gya. deen ki chadar booseeda ho gai gumrahon ki zuban khul gai aur gumnam zaleel loog obar gay aur batil parasti arooj par pohanch gai. Sheetan ny apny goshy sy sar neekala aur tumein awazein dein aur apni awaz par tumhein labeek kahta paya tum ny izaat-e-dunya ki tmana ki aur tumhein kaha kay  otho aur tum buhat jald  khary ho gay tum ko akhly khaq par ghasbnaak kiya aur deekha kay tum ghazbnak ho. Pas tum ny doosry kay oonth par apni mailkiyat ka dagh kiya aur doosry ko oonth ko zabardasti apny ghar main lay gay halakay tumsy NAbi(saw) kay akhdo peeman ka waqt kareeb tha aur un ka zaham hara tha aur rasool(saw) dafan tak na huy thy kay sheetani kamoon ki tarf tum ny ye bahana kar kay sabqat ki kay kham loog fitnay kay dar sy dary magar aien fitny main giry.
                          
                                 Aga ho jao kay jahanm kafron ko geerany wali hai milat kay kaam tum sy kis tara drust hon gay kyon kay tum main tadbeer ki kami hai . Sheetna tum ko kis tarf lay kar ja raha hai halan kay Allah ki kitab tum main moojod hai. Is kay akhkam rooshan hain aur is ki nishaniyan waziha hain. Aysee kitab ko tum pas-e-pusht daal rahy ho aur is nafrat kar kay is sy peeth phiraty ho aur  khabar dar ho jao kay zalimon kay liyee zulam ka buhat bora badla hai. Khasrat hai un loogon par jinhon ny Khilafat ko risaalat ki bunyad aur rohul ameen ki manzal aur deen aur dunya doono kay amoor sy waqaf aur ba khabar shahs sy khata kar kahan rakh diya ... Bilashuba ye buhat bara gatha hai akhir Ali(as) par is kism ka aatab kyon?
            
                        Un ka ye ataab makhz un ki talwar ki waja sy  hai aur dard naak saza deeny aur Allah kay mamly main bila rayat kaam leeny ki waja sy hai . Allah ki kasam agar ye sab loog Ali(as) kay halka akhbaab main aa jaty to wo unhein baand kay rakhty aur buhat aasan aur sahal chaal sy lay kar chaltay aur na to unhein koi aziyat hooty aur na koi takleef ka samna hotta aur Ali(as) unhein sherein aur chmakty huy chashmy par lay kar chaly jaty jis kay doono kinaray chalkty huy hain aur  sair aur sarab bana kar paltaty aur zahir aur batin un kay khair kahwa rahty. Phir tum ny itny bi taheer bi na ki kay fitnay ka hjaan kam ho jay aur is par kabo pana aasan ho jay balky tum ny aaag ko aur taiz kar diya aur is ki chingariyan barkany lagy Sheetan ki awaz par labaik kahny deen kay noor ko boojany aur nabi(saw) ki sunton ko makhw karny main lag pary tum chahty ho kay labas-e-deendar main shariyat ko poosgeeda kar kay jahliyat ki bidton ko sahya karo . Bazahir tum ny Islam kabool kar rakha hai magar batan main naffaq hi naffaq hai . Rasool (saw) aur un kay akhly bait kay khalaf tum ny gunjaan jariyon main chaal chalna shoro ki aur kham is par sabr karty hain. Kiya muj ko apny walid kay tarkay main koi khaq khasil nahin hai? Kiya tum jahliyat kay akhkam pasand karty ho? Kiya tum mairi khaqeeqat ko nahin janty ya jaan booj kar is sy ahzaar kar rahy ho???

                 Ab ham kisi alim kay dalail nahin biyaan karty balky usi shasiyat Fatima(as) kay dlail biyaan karty hain ta kay pata chal saky kay khaqeeqat kiya thi...
            
                           Fatima (as) ny jo dlail diya un par aik nazar farma li jiyee.......                                                Musalmano kiya tum is baat par razi ho kay mairi meersa cheen li jay aur tum un ki mawnat karo. (?)  Ay abo kahafay kay beety kiya ye baat kitaby Huda main hai kay tum to Apny walid ki meeras pao aur main is sy mahoom rahon tum ny ye kiya buri baat pesh ki hai kiya tum ny jaan booj kar Allah ki kitab ko choor diya hai aur isy pase pusht daal diya hai jab kay is main zikar hai kay janab Suleeman apny baap dada kay waris  bany aur janab yahya ye dua karty hain may mujy apny paas sy aik waris ata kar jo waris bany mara aur alle yaqoob ka . Allah ny ayat-e-meeras kay saath tum ko makhsoos aur tum ko aur  makhsoos aur muj ko aur mariy baap ko is sy mustashna kiya hai??? Ya ye kahty ho kay mairy aur tumhary baap ka mazhab aik nahin tha is liyee main un ki meeras nahin pa sakti hon  (?)  ya tum loog mairy baap sy aur ibne aam sy ziyada quran kay janny walo ho (?)       (Jab un loogn ny koi jawab na diya to Fatima(as) ny khutbay ko is tara jari rakha....)
                      
                 Acha aaj fidak ko apny kabzy main kar lo ta kay roz-e- mahshar tum sy swal ho. Pas Allah Tala bahter khukam karny wala hai. aur Hazrat( saw) hamary zamin aur kafeel hon gay. Pas ay abu Bakr mairi aur tumhari wada ga razo-e-makhshar hai jis rooz batil parast gathy main rahein gay aur us rooz ki nidamat tumhein kuch faeida na pohanchay gi. HAr amar kay liyee aik waqt hai aur  anqareeb tum jaan lo gay kay wo shas kune hai jis ki tarf khawar aur zaleel karny wala azab nazil ho ga. (Is kay bad Syda ny ansaar ki tarf matwajo ho kar farmaya......)
          
                               Ay grohe-shajat tum apny aap ko yawray millat janty ho pas mairy khaq main ye kysee susti hai aur jo zulam muj par ho raha hai is sy ye kiya taghafal hai? Kiya nabi(saw) ye nahin farmaty thy kay kisi shahs ki khifazat us ki oolad ki khifazat sy khooty hai? Kis kaqar jald tum deen ki bad anwaniyon main dakhil ho gay aur nabi(saw) ki millat ki madad sy haath ootha liyaa
Nami(saw) ny intikaal farmaya jis ki waja sy  bargazeeda bandy us kay gham main maghmoom hain. Is mooseebat main paharon kay dil bi aab aab ho rahy hain aur koi moseebat is sy azeem tar nahin hoi magar ye ammar is baat ka bais nahin ho sakta kay tum loog deen-e-khaq sy phir jao.....Khuramty Nbi(saw) zaiya ka di gai aaur akhly-bait ki mukhabat loogon kay dilon sy oth gai. pas ye buhat bari mooseebat hai. Ay ansaar-e-nabi(saw) mairy baap  ki meeras main zulam kiya jay jab kay tum amiri akhon kay samny hoaur main tumhari awaz sun sakti hon aur tum sab mairy khaq sy waqif ho magr tum labaik nahin kahty tumhary paas faryaad ki awaz aa rahi hai magar tum faryaad rasi nahin karty halaan kay tum julam sy mukably ki istadad rakhty ho . Bad is kay Aap(as) ny wo ayat pari jis ka makhfoom ye hai kay us groh sy jang nahin karty jis ny akhad toor diya ur deen sy phir gay. aur nabi(saw) ko kharij karna chaha aur awal in hi loogon ny tum sy jang ki ibtida ki.ya us sy darty ho pas Allah is ka ziyada khaq dar hai kay us sy dara jay.
      
       Jab fatima (as) ny deekha kay is kalam ka bi koi asar na hua to aap ny farmaya kay pas aga ho jao ko jo kuch main nay kaha hai wo us tarqy nusrat ko janty huy kaha hai jis ko tumhary dilon ny chupa rakha hai. Yani main janti hon kay tum mairi faryaad par labaik nahin kaho gay. aur makar karo gay  magr jo dard mairy seeny main bara hua tha wo mian ny biyaan kar diya hai. aur chaha kay tum par hujaat tamam kar don ta kay tum kiyamat ko koi ozar peesh na kar sako.Allah un chhezon ko deekhta aur janta hia jo tum karty ho.Aur jin loogon ny zulam kiya wo buhat jald aga hon gay kay un ki baazgasht kitny bori hai. Main us ki dukhtar hon jo tum ko azaab shadeed sy darata tha tum jo chaho karo .Tum bi intizaar karo aur kham bi intizaar karty hain us din ka jis din khaq aurt batil zahir ho ga.
      
                 Fatima ki ye batein sun kar abu bakr ny jawab diya beshak aap apny kool main sachi hain lykin main ny nabi(saw) sy suna hai kay ham groh-e-ambiya na soona chandi ko warsy main chhorty hain aur na jaiddad ko aur jo kuch baqi bachta hai wo sadqa hoota hai aur wali amar ka akhtiyaar hai kay is kay mutalik apna khukm jaari kary aur is ko samany kharb aur jangi hathyaron kay liyee mahfooz kar diya hai. Fatima ny farmaya kay mariy Nabi(saw) na to kitabay khadatyat sy rogardan thy  aur na hi aur na hi is kay akhkam kay mukhalif. Jo makar karty ho us kay ssath hi mairi walid(saw) par bi iftra lagaty ho? aur kitaby khuda main waziha hai kay (....... wohi ayat surat maryam ki...)...... pas  Allah tala ny meeras ki khad aur is ki taqseem mukarar kar di hai. Bani adam kay mardon aur ouraton  ka jo khissa mukarar kiya hai is main wo cheez biyaan kar di gai hai jo batil paraston ki ghalt daleelon ko door kary aur aynda naslon kay shubhaat ko zail kary.  Beshal tumhary naghmon ny tumhary samny aik boory amar ko mustahsan aur hushnama bana kar peesh kiya hai pas mary liyee sabr aur jameel hi munasb hai aur jo batein tum aban rahy ho us par ab Allah sy madad talb karti hon u.
                      
         Is par Hazrat abu bakr ny jawab diya Allah bi sacha hai aur us kay Rasoo(saw) ki beeti bi. Tum aein hujaat ho main tumhari baton ko khaq sy door nahin rakhta aur tumhary kalam sy inkaar bi nahin karta lykin mairy tumhary darmiyan ye musalman hain jinhon ny ujy khakm banya hai aur main ny jo kuch tum sy cheen liya hai wo in hi musalmanon kay ittifaq sy hua hai is main main ny na hi hat darmi ki hai aur na hi tnha apni ray sy kaam liya hai ye loog is kay gawa hain.
            
              Ye sun kar Syda(as) ny farmaya ay insanon kay groh! jo batil ka koo; akhtiyaar karny main jaldi karny wala hai. Kiya tum loog quran Majeed main ghoor Fikar nahin karty kiya tumhary dilon par kafal lagy hain? Tum par affal bad ka rang chara hua hai.. Jo taweel tum ny ki hai bikul ghalt hai aur jo ashara tum ny kiya hai wo buhat bara shar hai. Kasam huda ki tum is kay bojj ko buhat bari aur moseebat naak pao gay. Jab tumahry rab ki tarf sy khaqaiq samny ayein gay jin ka tum gumaan nahin karty thy us waqat batal parast buhat gaaty main rahein gay . Janab Syda ye farma kar kabar -e- Nabi(saw) ki tarf matwajo huein aur farmaya Ay pidar buzargawar aap (saw) ki rikhalat kay baad buhat sy ashoob zahir huy aur buhat sy fitny peeda huy agar aap hooty to ye mooseebatein na partein . Ham aap (saw) kay gulistan by paran hain. Jis kay tamam paty aur phhol murja gay hai ...................
.............................................    JAb syda kay is dil hala deeny waly akhtajaj ka koi asar na hua to aap ny apny habaa kay aadra ko dukharya kay Rasool(saw) ny mujy habba kar diya tha aur mairi malk hai jis tum ny mairi qamzy sy zabat kar liya hai is par hazrat abo bakr ny shahdat talab ki aur jab Ali(as) aur hassan aur husain aur umee eeman ki gawahi peesh ki gai to isi na kably kabool karar day diya gya. Aur is daway ko harij kar diya to janab syda ny Abu bakr aur umar sy farmaya kay kiya main bi RAsool(saw) ki khadees biyaan karon to tum pehchano gay aur us par amal karo gay... phir janbe- syda nay farmya main tum ko kasam day kar pochti hon kau kiya tum doon ny Rasool(saw) ko kahty huy nahin suna kay  Ftima(as)  ki raza mairi raza hai aur us ka ghusaa maira ghusaa hai jis ny mairy baati sy mukhabat ki.........."  
       Main jab Rasool(saw) sy mulakat karon gi to zaroor tum donon ki shikayat karon gi wallah har naam main tumharay liyee baddua karon gi . Pas Abu Bak rooty huy nikly aur loog un kay paas jama ho gay aur Abu Bakr ny un sy kaha tum sab apny akhly -o- ayaal main masroof rho aur mujy is moosebat main akeela choor do    ...................

                             Maira doos aksar kahta hai kay ham ye nahin deekhein gay Ulma nay kiya dalail diyee hain bakly Syda(as) kay dlail sunein gay kyon kay mudai to wo thi na........   In dlail ka kiya jawab hai aap kay paas??? Apni kutab khool kar is ki tasdeqq kar li jiyee ga...

      Umeed hai  is dafa  aap ko khawala jaat na deeny ki shikayat nahin ho gi.


              Jawab ka intizaar rahy ga.
      
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                 [COLOR=blue][SIZE=7]Brutel sahab umeed hai jis tara aap ny mujy pehly mairy mail ka jawb diya tha ab bi dein gay kuch waqt nikal kar... agar koi aur is mail ka jawab day sakta hai to invite karta hon usy bi...Thanx.....

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Mohtaram death is not far sahab aap thora sa sabr kar lain Inshallah aap ko aapki baat ka jawab jald mil jayega.  Roman urdu parhnay aur phir type karne mai zara time lagta hai isliye mai thori dair kar raha hoon.  Please be patient as patience is a virtue?

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o Brutal ph-aleez dont tell me Fatah duznt know Urdu...

Yahan Fatah ka zikr kahan se aa gaya?

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Lieing is the most common virtue found in Sunni's so you may say that, i wont be surprised at ALL!

You are forgetting something very important mr. idiot.  Taqiyyah is 9/10 of YOUR deen not ours, so quit this idiocy and shut up because you do not have anything useful to say or contribute here.  Do not try to change the topic of this thread.

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death_is_not_far, on Mar 25 2005, 09:39 AM, said:

Ab aata hon asal mozo ki tarf  aur us baat ko aggy barata hon jo chal rahi thi....  Janab sab sy pehly to main Surat Maryam ki ayat number 5 ki tarf aap ki tawajo doobara karana pasand karon ga.  Aap ny us ayat ka hawala zaroor diya nagar aik cheez aap miss kar gay . Wo ye kay us ayat main Allah Subhana Tala irshad farma rahy hain kay Hazrat Yahya(as) ny dua karty huy ye bi kaha tha kay mujy apny jahil rishty daron sy dar lagta hai.......  Main yahan pochny ka khaq rakhta hon kay aik lamhy kay liyee agar ye baat tasleem bi kar li jay kay Anmbiya mali wirasat nahin chooraty aur wo ilm ko hi warsy main deety hain to mujy ye batayee kay Ilm to aysee doolat hai jo na choori ho sakti hai na gum to phir In Nabi (as) ko kyon dar tha aur kis baat ka?
Ho sakta hai kay aap ye kahein kay wo ilm kay waris kay liyee dua kar rahy thy kyon kay wo buhat keemati doolat hai aur jahil loogon sy us ka dar laga rahta hai... Magar tab maira sawal ye ho ga kay Yahya (as) aik aysee cheez kay liyee kyon dua kar rahy thy kay jo Allah apni marzi sy beejta hai (yani rasool) aur jis ka rab ny khud wada kiya hai to phir wo dua http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image001.gif kiya mani(?)

Lagta hai aap ne meri koi bhi baat nahi parhi jo mainay likhi thi.  Khair mai phir se type kar deta hoon umeed hai is dafa aap poori baat parh ke hi jawab likhaingay.  Sab se pehlay aap nabi ka naam ghalat le rahay hain, hadhrat Yahya nahi balkay Hadhrat Zakariya (as) ki baat ho rahi hai yahan.  Doosri cheez ye ke Ambiya Ilm ki daulat Allah swt ke farman ko apnay baad aanay wali nasloon tak pohanchatay hain aur ye daulat *chori* to beshak nahi ho sakti magar *gum* zaroor ho sakti hai AGAR ke poori ummat GUMRAH niklay.  Aur issi liye hadhrat Zakariya (as) ko apne rishtaydaaron se darr tha ke woh loag GUMRAH kar dainay waloon mai se thay, hidayat ke rastay se hatanay waloon mai se.  Aur isliye hadhrat Zakariya (as) chahtay thay ke unki Aulaad mai koi aisa ho jo logon ko Allah ke rastay pe chalanay wala ho aur gumrahiyoon se bachanay wala, is waja se woh aik waris chahtay thay.  

Ab iske baad mera aap se sawal hai ke Hadhrat Zakariya (as) ke paas kitna maal o daulaat tha uski tafseel aap bataiye takay pata chalay ke unhai kis cheez ko bachanay ke liye aik "waris" chahiye tha!
                    
                      

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Pehly main apni tarf sy dalail deeny ki bajay wo khutba peesh karna chahta hon jo bibi Fatima(as) ny Abu Bakr kay darbaar main peesh kiya aur us kay baad kuch sawalt othaon ga.
        
                   Khutba:

      
                                    Khawala-e- Kutab:


                                                        (Sahi bukhari jild 3,  Sahi Mulim jild 2 bab qool-e- nabi , Masnad ahmed bin hanmbal jild 1 , Tzkira Alkhawas alumaah sabat ibne Jozi , Bila ghat tun nar abu fazal Johar bin tahir , tafseer kabeer (fakhr-ui-deen razi) jild 3, tfseer neesha poori jild 3 , Riyaaz nasara mukhib -u- deen tibri , sawaiq mukharqa ibne Khjar makki  ,  Shata lamhat fi Shara Mashkawa Sha Abul Khaq  Mukhadas Dakhliwi jild 3 , NAiq ul Lughaat Allama Zimhashri , Nahayat ul halool Ibni Ashar Jrazi , marooj ul dahab Masoosi , kitab ul saqeefa wal Fidak Abu BAkr Ahmed Bin Abdulazeez johri.   )                          
                             Agar aap kay dil main waqai ahly bait ki mukhabat hai to dekhty hain kay Bibi Fatima(as) ny jo khutba diya kiya us ny sab pool khool kar na rakh diyee http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image001.gif  aur sab chery aashkara na ho gay http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image001.gif

Mujhe aapko kisi qisam ka koi proof denay ki zaroorat nahi hai ke mai Ahle bait se kitni mohabbat karta hoon keunke beher haal mai shiaon ko is qabil nahi samajhta.  Khair.. aap ke in references mai se mujhe aap sirf Sahi Bukhari ya Sahi Muslim ka aik reference de dain, magar Mukammal reference dain.  Ye jo aapne likha haina " Sahi bukhari jild 3"  ye koi reference na huwa. aap kitaab ka naam hadees number ye sab kuch dein tab hoga woh sahi reference.  Issi tarhan sahi muslim mai kisi baab ka naam "qool-e-nabi" nahi hai.  Aur shayad aapko pata nahi hai magar Hadees ka matlab hi "qol-e-nabi" hai.  Khair mukhtasir si baat ye ke aap proper reference dain uske baad mai parhoonga bhi zaroor ke kya likha hai khutbay mai... us se pehlay mai isay shia ki taraf se toar maroor ke ki gai aik jhooti saazish hi samjhoonga.  Umeed hai baat aapki samajh mai aa gai hogi.

Aur aik aakhri baat.  Sahi bukhari aur Muslim dono online mojood hain English mai.  Aap agar chahain to apne kisi dost se madad le saktay hain woh "khutba" dhoondne mai jo aapne yahan par pesh kya tha.

Edited by brutal_33, 28 March 2005 - 05:12 PM.

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                                     Sab sy pehly to sab members sy guzarish karon ga ka plz. main ny shoroo main hi kah diya tha kay is thread main larai jagra nahin ho ga balka knowledge hasil karny ki koshish ki jay gi .... doobara guzarish hai kay aap aysaa karny sy akhtaraz karein....
          
                     Rahi baat brutel sahab main ny aap ko sab khawaly baary waziha batay hain aur main ny ye bi waziha kiya hai kay ye khutba kisi aik kitab sy nahin liya gya balky mukhtalif kitabon sy liya gya hai... rahi baat ye kay main ny saath likha nhain kay ye kune sy number ki khadees hai to janab maira paas jo book hain wahan numbering nahin di gai balky pages hi hain...  Kiya aap difay sahaba kay liyee thoori si makhnat nahin kar sakty?

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death_is_not_far, on Mar 29 2005, 08:40 AM, said:

Rahi baat brutel sahab main ny aap ko sab khawaly baary waziha batay hain aur main ny ye bi waziha kiya hai kay ye khutba kisi aik kitab sy nahin liya gya balky mukhtalif kitabon sy liya gya hai... rahi baat ye kay main ny saath likha nhain kay ye kune sy number ki khadees hai to janab maira paas jo book hain wahan numbering nahin di gai balky pages hi hain...  Kiya aap difay sahaba kay liyee thoori si makhnat nahin kar sakty?

LOL... Mohtaram mujhe achi tarhan pata hai ke aap taqiyye se kaam le rahay hain.. aap ye sab kuch kisi Pamphlet ya phir kisi website se daikh kar likh rahay thay.  Aap ke hawalay intehai Naqis hain.  Main aap ko challenge karta hoon ke aap ne jo hawalay Sahi Bukhari aur Muslim se diye hain, aap unko Sabit karke dikhain.  Doosri kitaboon ki zaroorat nahi hai keunke dono Saha Sitta humari Mustanad tareen kitabain hain.  

Agar aapne kabhi Sahi muslim o bukhari ki shakal dekhi hoti to aap ko pata chal jata ke aap kitna bara jhoot bol rahay hain ke ye khutba aise hi likha hai.  Keunke saari ahadees aik tarteeb ke saath likhi hain jinmai ye cheezain honi zaroori hain.

1. Hadees ki kitab = Sahi Bukhari or Muslim
2. Baab                 = Ahle bait ki fazilaat? ya phir kuch aur
3. Kitab number     = 5?
4. Jild number        = 2?
5. Hadees number   = 784?

Ye sirf aik misaal hai.  Ye 5 ya agar jild number na bhi ho toh at least 4 cheezain hona must hain.

Ab agar aap sach bol rahay hain jo ke mujhe maloom hai ke aap nahi bol rahay, to aap sahi bukhari ka cover page aur ye page jahan aapko ye khutba mila hai woh dono scan karain warna aap jhootay sabit ho jaingay aur aap se guftugu aagay barhanay ka koi faida nahi keunke mujhe jhootay kazib logon se baat karne ka koi shoq nahi.

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^ Is saari bakwas ka humaray topic se kya wasta hai?

[Irenic]

Ghair Muhtaram Maut Door Nahein hai

Ap ke chore gai batoon ka jawab to brutal bhai ne taqreeban de he dia hai magar ap main na manoon walee baat ker rahe hain jo keh ap logon ke pehchan e khas hai.

Farz ke lein keh FADAK H.Fatima http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image009.gif  ka tha......

Farz ker lein keh pehlee 3 khulafa http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image009.gif  ne unhein un ka hissa nahein dia....

Agar Fadak Fatima http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image009.gif  ka tha to is mein un ke wirasat chalne chahyee

the....yane keh un ke wurasa mein taqseem ker dia jata.....

Magar khud un ke shohar aur khalifa tul muslemeen h.Ali http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image009.gif  ne bhe un ka haq

nahein pehchana.....balke ab te yeh un ka aur unke aulad ka haq tha.......kia ap

ne fadak ke wirasat fatima ra ke aulad mein jaree ke......

kion nahein jaree ke.... http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image001.gif



Mazeed yeh keh Fatah bhae ne ap ka munh kholne se pehle he band ker dia tha

jis ke taraf ap ne tawajjah shareef nahein ke......Ap ke 4 adad kitaboon se sabit

kia tha keh aurat zameen ke waris nahein hotee....

bhai fatah aj kal apne kisi kam mein masroof hain.......Ap hum jaisee ghareeboon

per he guzara ker lein.....

Abhe ap ke bachgana harkatein is qabil nahein hoin keh Fatah,Umar ya dosrey

muazziz mods apna waqt zaya karein.

Ap ke jawab ka muntazir.....muntazir qaim ale Muhammad.....lol

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charismaticute, on Mar 30 2005, 05:30 PM, said:

asalmaolikum..
brother irenic..it seems u r here to fight or sumthing..hazrat fatima (a.s)...ki wirasat unn ko hazrat abu bakar ko daini chahiye thi na....akalmand insaan..aur hazrat ali(a.s)..puray 35 yrs baad wirasat daitay ...wah kia bat ki app nay...where is ur brain...pechlay khlifa kia kar rahay thay..

I'm not here 2 fight brainless people....

main ne kaha tha keh ferz ker leen un  http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image021.gif  ne Haq (so called) na dia ........to kia ziada arsa guzr gaee to haqdar ko us ka haq he na dia jaee http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image001.gif

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..jab rasool ki baiti ko khialfat nahi deee....agay kia insaaf kartay...

mere cute se cheez bibi  http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image009.gif  khilafat ke ummedwaar he nahein thein.......lol

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...aur may be bibi fatima(a.s)..kay bachon nay mana kar dia ho keh humain hissa nahi laina

mere cute....jab 1 bar mana kerne per bini  http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image009.gif  bhe chup ho gain...........un ke shohar ne bhe  chup sadh le.......abba http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image009.gif  ke khilafat mein bachhon ne bhe inkar ker dia.........abba hazoor http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image009.gif  ne bhe zaberdastee dene ke koshish nahein ke.......................to aj ap ko kia takleef ho rahe hai......ap bhe chup sadh lein.............ya her bar koi keera tang kerta hai aap logon ko..........

is ko urdu mein kehte hain Muddaee sust gawah chust......

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ya koi aur bhe waris tha http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image001.gif

ap ke kitaboon mein kion likha hai keh aurat zameen ke waris nahein hotee http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image001.gif

mutazir shareeef......

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charismaticute, on Mar 30 2005, 06:13 PM, said:

wa salam..my dear brother first of all i m not cute si cheez...i m a human not CHEEZ....khair..secondly..humari books mein one third hisa hota hai wirasat ka..agar app smajh askain meri bat ko....irenic brother...sada khush rahain sub..
Allah hafiz..
ur cute si friend Syeda..

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Women don�t inherit anything from Land and they can�t be heir of Lands, said Imam Jafar Sadiq.

Shea Ref,

1-Faru Kafee Vol-7, Page 127
2-ManLa Yahzurul Faqih Vol-4, Page 347
3-Al Istebsar Vol-4, Page 152
4-Tahzeebul Ahkam Vol-(I Forgot) Page 298


Imam Jafar Sadiq  farmatay hain kay Auraat ko na zameen wirasate main mil sakty hai or na wo is ki waris ho sak ti hien.

kahan tak jhoot ka sahara loo ge CUTE si SYEDA...

http://islamic-forum...tyle_emoticons/default/image015.gif  Ham sab ko khush rakhe asal khushee to tab ho ge jab Aqal ke andhee jahil sheoon ko Allah hidayat de ga...khair......Allah jise chahta hai hidayat deta hai....

mere last post ke kuch sawalat baqe hain Muhtarma.....waise hamare Multan mein hum loog Sayed zadion (Genuin) ko BIBI kehte hain....