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[Y. AH.]

>I want to know sunni version of Abu Lolo Feroz, especially from Fatah Momin>

All Shia fellows here want a piece of brother Fatah now. Just wait in the line like everyone else. [joke]

>Who was this guy?>

First his name is Abu Lulu Firoz not abu Lolo feroz. Abu Lulu is a misrepresentation of his name in Arabic Abu Lu'lu'a أبو لؤلؤة .

He was a slave working as a carpenter, painter and black-smith.

>Did he killed Hazrat Umar [ra]??>

Yes, he stabbed him with a dagger when he was leading the prayer in a mosque, leaving him with six cuts that lead to his death.

>If yes then what was the reason behind it?>

Stories reported about this incident suggest that there is a connection between Hz Umar's [ra] murder and the insatisfaction of this slave of a ruling that the Caliph gave about a matter that concerned him. Just the day before of the killing, Abu Lu'lu'a was complaining about the tax that his master took from him i.e. two dirhams per day. Hz Umar [ra] asked him about the kind of work he did and when he find out that he was working as a carpenter etc., he judged that he can pay the tax easily and still have plenty of money. Early next morning, Abu Lu'lu'a hid in a corner waiting for the Caliph [ra], slip into the mosque, stabbed Hz Umar [ra] in a treacherous act. After being overpowered by worshipers, the assassin slew himself with the same dagger.

>and why dont sunnis curse Abu Lu'Lu'a as he was killer of ur beloved 2nd Caliph?>

Abu Lu'Lu'a was not Muslim. He was a non-believer, a Kafir (being a magian). Allah [swt] has already cursed in the noble Quran people like him and promised them the fires of hell. That's enough for us.

Now, your turn.

I read on some unorthodox (not sunni) websites that the Killer of Hz Umar [ra] was named Pirouz Nahavandi, an enslaved Persian soldier who slaughtered Hz Umar [ra] to avenge the honor of the Persian Empire. He is portrayed on those websites as a national hero (!!!!!).

Your comment?

Edited by Y. AH., 26 May 2008 - 10:29 AM.

[Inkaari]

JOGI
Y U PEOPLE WORSHIP ABU LULU...........???

[nays]

mufti-e-azam, on May 27 2008, 02:25 AM, said:

who worship ?? no body worship abu lulu

Ahh maybe you don't alhamdullilah, but many Shiia's in Iran used to, and still do, but recently his shrine was closed down.

[Y. AH.]

>I will soon challenge ur fellow Fatah on one to one debate with me.... U will see>

Don't blow your horns too much or else they'll become useless.

>but now i will just stick to the topic>

You've already deviated from it.

>Good Story
You haven't provide any single reference from where u have pasted this story...>

Amazing ... how it's easy for people to accuse the others wrongfully!!!!

Obviously, you don't have an academic background about making argumentation or else you wouldn't have said that.

First, you have to prove that I have pasted the text or else you would be accusing me unjustly. Anyhow I don't think that you care about being fair or not since you have already labeled me as your enemy without having knowledge about my kind of writing. (I don't care if you do anyhow).

Second, when you accuse someone of misreporting an information, you MUST present the correct information. Until then, the information remains accurate.

But, I should have known better, I try to have constructive debates with Shias but no Shia comes here without a rifle in his hand. Isn't a Shia Fasik better than a good sunni according to your scholars?

Hostility generates hostility and you are served.

>you urself had admitted that what u r writing is only a story>

Wrong there. Don't twist my words. I only used the word story once with the meaning of a report about the incident. The articles you read in newspapers are called news stories. Does this mean that they are fabricated? No. If you say yes ... then prove it.

>Brother i want authentic book and authentic tradition.... no stories>

The source of my answer is an audio lecture by Sheikh Abdallah Alhamad Al-Rassy ... It lists all the references (if you were more sympathetic, I would have translated them in English but it's not worth the bother. Listen to it in Arabic and enjoy it. I've checked it with several other reliable articles in Arabic, my mother tongue. If you want, you can check it easily. Make your own research and prove me wrong.

audio.islamweb.net/audio/index.php?page=audioinfo&audioid=24424 - 50k

>And i m very much astonished that Abu Lulu murdered Hazrat Omar just for 2 Dirhams... amazing>


I am very careful about my words. I used the word "suggest" NOT ASSERT because I made a personal inference.

Now since you have such a great knowledge and an insight to know the other person's intentions, report the incident in your own words. I can give plenty of references and manage to translate them but obviously, you know everything so you don't need answers from anyone.

Bon travail mon pote!

Edited by Y. AH., 26 May 2008 - 06:03 PM.

[Y. AH.]

Look who's talking! The guy who disrespects the English forum's rules! What a good example you are!

Well unlike you son, I don't shelter myself behind words when I know that the other person doesn't understand me. I assumed that everyone knew that there are plenty of words and expressions used in English from different origins namely French and Italian. I was wrong!

"Bon travail mon pote" means "good work dude"!

[Y. AH.]

Ohhh, really? You are more accurate than dictionaries for idiomatic expressions from foreign origin?

Ok, I'll take your word for it since you are an expert in English.

By the way, it seems that you like to misrepresent everything. You post 100% in urdu in English forums. You don't use  a word or two. Anyway, say what you want go ahead the platform is ALL yours.

[Fatah-Momin]

Jogi, on May 25 2008, 08:59 PM, said:

I want to know sunni version of Abu Lolo Feroz.......


specially from Fatah Momin

Only short and brief answer

Muslim history records that firoz lolo was a majoosie/zorastrian slave who was captured during the wars for persia, he was zorastrian by faith and he died on the same faith, as he did kill Ameerul Momineen Hz. Umar Al-Farooq[ra] shia has made imam of this fireworshipper and feel blessed when visiting his grave and naming their children after him.
If you want detail we can go into that too, it will be futile, now tell us what is your reason for raising this issue.

Edited by Fatah-Momin, 27 May 2008 - 03:17 AM.

[Y. AH.]

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i just want to know that are these words used in english ever ?? sunni users can do everything...

Yes they are. These words are used in English. Told you before don't accuse someone wrongfully unless you can backup your claims. You're wrong again.

Follow the links to get the definition froman online English dictionary:

 http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bon; http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/travail; http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pote

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come on son don,t cry..it,s biddat in your religion.

ha ha funny to hear this from you... I thought that your sect graduates professional weepers.

Now, if you want more hel pin idiomatic expressions open a new thread, don't spam this one.

Edited by Y. AH., 27 May 2008 - 05:30 AM.

[Muhammad_Bin_AbuBakr]

I also read somewhere that Umer drank Khumr ( a type of alcohol) when he received a dagger blow?

[Inkaari]

nays, on May 26 2008, 09:40 PM, said:

Ahh maybe you don't alhamdullilah, but many Shiia's in Iran used to, and still do, but recently his shrine was closed down.

nay i lost the movie of lolo's ziarat accidently  can any one provide me plz

[_AK47_]

Jogi Shias are having false believes. If u want to challenge. Im alone to answer and distract u. Come, if u have enough knowledge and courage.

[Dihyah_Kalbi]

Alas we see shias coming out of the cocoon and defending a Majoosi, hey jogi left taqqiya? Shiasm is Crypto Judaism or Crypto Zorastrian still wondering. have fun

[Jamal Amir]

Abu lulu firoze was a Parsi slave who assassinated Omar(RAA) it was an Iranian plot By hurmu2an,an Iranian general ,who thought that is Omar RaA was removed from the scene the Islam would fall like a house of cards But by the grace of Allah (SWT), it survived the calamity.






Source:the tragedy of Karbala