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[Muhammad_Bin_AbuBakr]

Asslamoalaikum,

What is Wahabi view about Tawassul. Is it shirk?

[haq-mil-gaya]

Wa Alikum us Salaam!!

I want to jut ask the question of Bro Muhammad in other words that:

Whether the Tawassul with Prohpets and saints allowed in their methology??

If NO so please with proofs??

[Muhammad_Bin_AbuBakr]

haq-mil-gaya, on Jun 14 2008, 05:24 PM, said:

Wa Alikum us Salaam!!

I want to jut ask the question of Bro Muhammad in other words that:

Whether the Tawassul with Prohpets and saints allowed in their methology??

If NO so please with proofs??

haq-mil-gaya brother amazingly, there is hell of difference among Sunnis in this regard. Even Wahabis/Salafis call Brailvees Kafir and Bidatti on the basis of believing in Tawassul. I do not know whether any Brailvee Sunni is here or not.

[haq-mil-gaya]

Muhammad_Bin_AbuBakr, on Jun 14 2008, 05:31 PM, said:

haq-mil-gaya brother amazingly, there is hell of difference among Sunnis in this regard. Even Wahabis/Salafis call Brailvees Kafir and Bidatti on the basis of believing in Tawassul. I do not know whether any Brailvee Sunni is here or not.

Yeah thats why I ask...Since Brelwis and Sufi Sunnis believe Tawassul like we believe but the Deobandies/Salafis have totally different idea since they don't believe in this kind of Tawassul since according to them one can only do tawassul through their deeds!!!

[sunni]

I know about Rafida tawassul only. salients are as under:-

1. In white horse mourning processions during ashura, Rafida take out their cubs and touch them against forehead of the animal to seek barakah.

2. Rafida women pass through Rafida puppies under the belly of their god in the fond hope that their puppies would be blessed with longer life and prosperity.

3. The issueless Rafida women don't hesitate touching the organ of their god, expecting that the blessed act will result in pregnency.

4. The unique example of tawassul is done in the form of mutah, at the holiest city of QoM, where the pimps of aytrolls are seen running after Rafida women to sign tawassul contract forms, in order to please their naked 12th Imam (w/o nappies) and zuljinah.

[Muhammad_Bin_AbuBakr]

^^ This is extreme of foolishness and ignorance. IGNORANT SUNNI .

[haq-mil-gaya]

sunni, on Jun 14 2008, 10:13 PM, said:

I know about Rafida tawassul only. salients are as under:-

1. In white horse mourning processions during ashura, Rafida take out their cubs and touch them against forehead of the animal to seek barakah.

Lol....A typical Nasibi reply

U would understand this since for U Azadari Is Biddat but interesting to note is that Ummul Momineen use to seek help from "Prohpet's shirt" and we totally concur and agree with the Ummul Momineen's behaviour since the shirt of the Prohpet(saww) was related to Prohpet(Saww) which we call "Nisbat" so therefore by the same token we can seek Barakah from them since these horses have Nisbah with Imam Hussain(AS)'s horse!!!

In order to elucidate in more easier way I give u an example "If there are blank pages u would not give them high homage but if on the same blank pages u write an Quranic verse so then the page becomes very "Holy"...The major reason is the Nisbah...First it was a blank page and then it was associated with Quran therefore we would be start respecting it"

First answer these logical examples then I would give u some textual example.

sunni, on Jun 14 2008, 10:13 PM, said:

2. Rafida women pass through Rafida puppies under the belly of their god in the fond hope that their puppies would be blessed with longer life and prosperity.

3. The issueless Rafida women don't hesitate touching the organ of their god, expecting that the blessed act will result in pregnency.

Wrongly accuse! We don't believe in such type of acts...Try to prove this thorugh any esteem source??

If some ignorant people do these type of acts so it does not mean that We Shia believe in it..Since the sect is not determine by their people but by their knowledge!!!

sunni, on Jun 14 2008, 10:13 PM, said:

4. The unique example of tawassul is done in the form of mutah, at the holiest city of QoM, where the pimps of aytrolls are seen running after Rafida women to sign tawassul contract forms, in order to please their naked 12th Imam (w/o nappies) and zuljinah.

Control your language!!!

Debate on facts not the fantacies!!!

I think the case is vice versa your esteem scholar like Nanotawi and Gangohi use to take a lot of joy through each other which we call "Homo sexuality" and I have scan page from your own book regarding this...


Mode take notice of it how reviling language is he using??

[sunni]

I forgot to mention another unique occasion of Rafida tawassul, when they celebrate shaam e ghariban (evening of the poor) when their horse mourning procession reaches Rafida church. During the ceremony of shaam e ghariban, all type of activties concerning Rafida tawassul are conducted.

But I don't understand, why Rafida put off lights during this tawassul ceremony????????????????

May be some Rafida is able to put us wise on the subject.......

[haq-mil-gaya]

sunni, on Jun 15 2008, 02:30 PM, said:

I forgot to mention another unique occasion of Rafida tawassul, when they celebrate shaam e ghariban (evening of the poor) when their horse mourning procession reaches Rafida church. During the ceremony of shaam e ghariban, all type of activties concerning Rafida tawassul are conducted.

But I don't understand, why Rafida put off lights during this tawassul ceremony????????????????

May be some Rafida is able to put us wise on the subject.......

Well Sunni-Nasibi First mind your language...

This is not your house where you are talking to your parents....

Come to Imam Bargah on Shaame Gareebah in which lights are off just to create the envoirnment of what could happen in Karbala....

Because When the day of Ashura finished and night appeared so it was the most miserable night for the Lovers and family of Hussain(as) so thats why just to recount that we dirge in such manner...


Well this post is totally irrelevant to the topic..I request to post accordingly...and reply to my above post!!!


Request to Mods:-Please tell your brother Sunni to debate properly since I think that these type of assault without proofs is not allowed here...

[sunni]

haq-mil-gaya, on Jun 15 2008, 02:37 PM, said:

Because When the day of Ashura finished and night appeared so it was the most miserable night for the Lovers and family of Hussain(as) so thats why just to recount that we dirge in such manner...

Why crying over spilt milk????????????

Rafida of Kufa were the ones to deceive, cheat and show cowardice to Hussain (RA) by turning their faces despite writing him over 12,000 letters.

So why to weep over what your forefathers did with ahle bayt throughout the history????

You didn't tell us why Rafida tawassul activities are performed in the best manner in complete darkness, lolz.

[haq-mil-gaya]

sunni, on Jun 15 2008, 02:51 PM, said:

Why crying over spilt milk????????????

Rafida of Kufa were the ones to deceive, cheat and show cowardice to Hussain (RA) by turning their faces despite writing him over 12,000 letters.

So why to weep over what your forefathers did with ahle bayt throughout the history????

You didn't tell us why Rafida tawassul activities are performed in the best manner in complete darkness, lolz.

The thing is that you are bringing new topics time and again and I just answer of mine in the post that I posted which is bit long and here I refuted your points so do some homework and go and answer it first...

Come on!!!If u want to discuss regarding the killers of Imam Hussain(as) so you are most welcomed to make a separate topic for it!

[sunni]

I am not in the habit of humiliating Rafida un-necessarily. I believe that enough is being done with them in the form of divine punishment from Allah Almighty with more to come, may be, till the day of judegment.

Whatever has been narrated above concerning Rafida tawassul activities during ashura is based on facts, not on hearsay. If you don't know about Rafida religion and its fundamentals, better don't reprsent 12er belief on the subject.

Ignorance about Rafida tawassul is your problem, not ours.

[haq-mil-gaya]

sunni, on Jun 15 2008, 03:17 PM, said:

I am not in the habit of humiliating Rafida un-necessarily. I believe that enough is being done with them in the form of divine punishment from Allah Almighty with more to come, may be, till the day of judegment.

Whatever has been narrated above concerning Rafida tawassul activities during ashura is based on facts, not on hearsay. If you don't know about Rafida religion and its fundamentals, better don't reprsent 12er belief on the subject.

Ignorance about Rafida tawassul is your problem, not ours.

Lolz so why have u joined this forum??

It would be better that u acquit yourself from it since as per u "Allah has given us punishment" so therefore u should not even say a single word against us as u yourself concur about it in your post that u don't want to humilate us since Allah humilates us as per u so just go and take a sleep since it is useless for u to topic as per your argument...


Ok for the sake of argument I am ignorant and I don't know about Tawassul so please u elucidate it through Quran and Prohpetic(saww) saws...


Come on Ya Sunnis!!!

Your First player's wicket has been gone now who is the second player to come for bat against us...

[sunni]

haq-mil-gaya, on Jun 15 2008, 03:42 PM, said:

Lolz so why have u joined this forum??

Ok for the sake of argument I am ignorant and I don't know about Tawassul so please u elucidate it through Quran and Prohpetic(saww) saws...

I explained rafida tawassul only, since Rafida religion starts from the clay of Karbala and ends at rafida church, accompanied by bridal horse, lolz.

Which Quran, the one having 17000 ayahs and containing the name of Pakistan, as was clamied by AA Guru, presently in the custody of that 4 years naked Imam, hiding himself due to fear of losing his life???????

Which prophet are you talking about, the same who is supposed to give bayah to that 4 years naked Imam on his appearance from the cave or the one who witnessed Ali (RA) standing on arsh during mirage and all the angels were worshipping him???????


Poor Rafidas, lolzzzzzz.

[Muhammad_Bin_AbuBakr]

^^ Sunni, this is not the way of dialogue. This is the complaint i have with you guys. You mix all the topics and no useful purpose is served. The topic is Tawassul but you started following things in the same thread:-

1. Shia's believe in Quran being complete or incomplete?

2. What Shias do in Shaam e Gharibaan?

3. Did Shia kill Imam Hussain a.s?

and lastly you disrespected twelfth Imam (as). Did i insult your leaders? Did i insult Abu Bakar (ra), Umer (ra) or Uthman (ra)? Please read Quran 16:106 to know how to preach.

[sunni]

With reference to disrespect to your 12th Imam, please tell me any single thing, which has been added from my own side.

1. This is your belief that he was 4 years old, when he went in hiding due to fear of losing his life.

2. This is your belief that he would appear naked.

So if we say naked 12th Imam (w/o nappies), what kind of disrespect have we shown towards your 12th god????????????

Regarding Rafida tawassul, again tell me, where did I include anything at my own? I only drew a picture of what Rafida demonstrate under the banner of tawassul on annual basis.

[haq-mil-gaya]

Look at post#7 No one has yet answered it...

Please Sunni stick to the topic!!!

[sunni]

haq-mil-gaya, on Jun 16 2008, 12:11 AM, said:

Look at post#7 No one has yet answered it...

Please Sunni stick to the topic!!!

I am already on the topic. Infact I was more interested in Rafida version of tawassul.

[haq-mil-gaya]

sunni, on Jun 16 2008, 01:09 AM, said:

I am already on the topic. Infact I was more interested in Rafida version of tawassul.

I have given u the elaboration of our way of Tawassul but prove your way of Tawassul thorugh Quran and Prohpetic(saww) sayings???

[sunni]

There is a difference of opinion on the issue.

1. Asking Allah for somethig for the sake of prophet (pbuh).

2. Asking someone directly other than Allah.

There is a difference amongst scholars on the first form of tawassul and therefore hasn't been declared shirk.

The second form is undoutedly shirk, as we can not ask anyone except Allah Almighty.

Since Rafida ask directly from their Imams, considering them superhumans with extraordinary powers, this is shirk in unambiguous terms, like Rafida famous poem Naad e Ali is nothing but shirk.