Jhangvi, on Jul 11 2008, 10:34 PM, said:
Bro Jhangvi, I have found something interesting.... Let me make the case here
Kahan ghaib ho gye khair talab ?
According to Muhammad bin Abu Bakar, th most reliable shia source is Al-Islam.org:
Now found something at this website that may interest u and others...
The most reliable and popular Shia website, Al-Islam.org, has a section for fatwas entitled "Aalim Network". These Shia Aalims refute Answering-Ansar, the Shia Encyclopedia, and Shia Chat by clearly stating that Ali ibn Abi Talib did in fact marry his daughter to Umar ibn al-Khattab. Shaykh Mohammed Soleiman-Peneh of the "Aalim Network" stated:
So, Shaykh Mohammed Soleiman-Peneh's only explanation is that surely that "Imam [Ali] must have had good reasons for agreeing to the marriage." (What those reasons are is unclear, but surely, they must have been "good reasons.") And he also states that Ali at first rejected Umar's proposal, but then later accepted it out of force. Again, the Shia scholars portray a very cowardly image of Ali, saying that he was bullied into marrying his own daughter to a supposed murderer (i.e. the man whom the Shia claim killed Ali's wife and unborn child). If a Sunni were to kill a Shia man's wife and unborn child, then demanded that he be married to his daughter, how many Shia men today would accept this? Even a man with the least bit of courage and integrity would not allow this, so why would anyone accept this of the Lion of Allah, namely Ali ibn Abi Talib?
It may be that some Shia propagandists and youths will refuse to accept that Al-Islam.org, the Aalim Network, and such a respectable Shia Aalim, all accept this marriage as a fact. They might protest to the words "I believe it is also wrong" which were used in the fatwa. It should be noted that the Aalim is saying that he believes using this event to prove something is wrong, not that this event didn't take place. Indeed, a follow-up question was asked to the same scholar, as follows:
Shaykh Mohammad Soleiman-Panah clearly states that the "the most distinguished contemporary Shia historian" (Dr. Sayyed Ja'far Shahidi) said that the marriage between Umm Kulthoom bint Ali and Umar ibn al-Khattab did in fact take place. Although he admits that the Shia Encyclopedia is generally a good tool, in this case it is wrong, and that the more reliable opinion amongst the Shia scholarship is that the marriage did indeed take place. Shaykh Mohammed Soleiman-Panah also states that the Shia historian, Dr. Sayyed Ja'far Shahidi, is so reliable that "no contemporary Shia historian [is believed] to be more reliable than him." Is this not in contradiction to what the Shia polemecist sites have claimed, namely that the marriage is only "Nasibi propaganda"?
It should be noted that the Aalim Network of Al-Islam.org is one of the most authoratative fatwa sites on the internet, comparable to Islam-QA, Ask-Imam, or Sunni Path for Sunnis. Now it is upto the Shia lay-person to either accept the authoratative word of his top scholars or to be fooled by the propagandists amongst the Shia youth who themselves are lay-persons and change their faith if only to strengthen their polemical stance.
A well-respected Shia scholar, Shaykh Mohammed Soleiman-Panah, answered this question. Perhaps the Shia propagandists will try to question his authority by quoting the scholar's own modesty on the issue, but it should be noted that Al-Islam.org itself calls him a "Shaykh" as well as an "Aalim", such as here:
It is therefore an established fact, by both Sunni and Shia scholarship, that Ali married his daughter to Umar.
P.S: I have provided the link to orignal websites inspite of pasting the text from there as I believe its better to let readers read from orignal source. I have provided the commentry to the shia text on their website. Let me make it clear that I have gatherd this material from another website and pasted the text as I blieve they hav better explained the than I could have and obviously the intention is to make clear the truth...
Edited by Jhangvi, 14 July 2008 - 02:37 PM.
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