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#61 OFFLINE   Inkaari

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Posted 28 June 2008 - 03:35 AM

View PostMuhammad_Bin_AbuBakr, on Jun 24 2008, 06:42 PM, said:

Hamm Shia Hazrat Umer koe acha nahin samajhtae laikin itna bura bhee nahin samajhtae kae Hazrat Umer apnee baitee kee nawasi sae shadi ka izhar karain. Agar kabhee adventure ka jee karae toe bahir galee main guzartae howae kisee baba jee sae zara kahain kae "Baba jee aap apnee baitee kee nawasee sae shadi karain gae?" Uss kae baad woe aap kae saath joe karae ga woe main bata nahin sakta. Hoe sakta hai kae bhoora aap koe galiyaan dae laikin mohallae walae aap ko itna marain kae aap koe Hospital main hee hosh ayae. LO.

Aaj taq aisa experience nahin howa. Pakistan main agar koee baba jee apnee baitee sae kahain kae "Baitee main tumharee nawasii sae shadi karna chahta hoon" toe Babae kee baitee kahae gee "Abba jee aap ka damagh theek hai joe aap mairee nawasee sae shadi karnae ka soch rahae hoe" Aaj taq kissee qabilae main aisa nahin suna main nae. Kya Pakistan kee baitee Hazrat Hafsa sae afzal hai kae. Hazrat Umer apnee baitee Hazrat Hafsa kee nawasi sae shadi kee khawaish karain orr Hazrat Hafsa kuch na karain.

Baqiooon koe choro khud socho agar aap kee walida kae nana abbu aap kee sister sae shadi karnae kee khawaish karain toe kaisa lagae ga aap koe.

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. HAZRAT UMER KEE IZZAT BARHAO KAM NA KARO BACHO

AGAR AISA HAY TO YEH BATAO K HAZRAT ALI RA HAZRAT FATIMA RA K KIA LAGTAY HAIN RISHTAY MAIN?????????????????????????????????????KIA CHACHA KI BHATEEJI SAY SHADI JAIZ HAY TUMHARAY HAAAAN???????

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Posted 28 June 2008 - 08:30 AM


Salam,

Rasool saaw aur hz. ali a.s cousin thay.
and cousin ki beti sey shadi najaiz hai kaisay ye ap proof kar kaay btao.

wassalam

khuda wand! jo duhsman e ahle bait hain agar qabil hidayat hain tu unhai hidayat dey warna neest o nabood farma.

humey aur mazboot kar.

humaray ullema ka saya hum par hameesha rahey.

jo hujjat hai 12 teri us ka zahoor jald fama

humay syed u shuda ki tarhan shaheed honay ki taufeeq dey

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Posted 28 June 2008 - 08:58 AM

View Postkhair talab, on Jun 28 2008, 01:30 PM, said:


Salam,

Rasool saaw aur hz. ali a.s cousin thay.
and cousin ki beti sey shadi najaiz hai kaisay ye ap proof kar kaay btao.

wassalam


O meray bhai kisi nai nahi kaha na jaiz hay, yeah wo jo aik aqal mand yahan phirta hay us ko aqal dilanay k liay Bhai Inkari aur mai na kuch examples dee theen wo un say dum daba kay bhaga hay, us nay nawasi ka rishta banaya tha phir yahan tu das rishtay aur nikal aaye hain... Ab wo aur jaga say aa raha hay... Isher say tu chuti ho gaye hay us ke.... Khair bhai, bilkul na jaiz nahi hay, bilkul theek hay, maqsad sirf us aqal mand ko batana tha....

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Posted 28 June 2008 - 09:06 AM

^^ Ajeeb misalain daitae hoe tum log bhee. Hazrat Ali (as) kee Umerr Mubarik uss waqt 25 Years orr Hazrat Fatima (as) kee Umerrr mubarik 10 Years kae kareeb thee. Abb jiss bai jor orr Izzat main kamee karnae walee (Nauzbillah) Shadii kee baat tum logg kar rahae hoe uss kae mutabiq Hazrat Umer kee Umerr 66 years orr Hazrat Umm e Kulthoom kee 7 Years kee kahee gayee hai. Ooper sae rishta bhee kya kae Umer kee baitee kee Nawasee sae Umer Sahib kee shadi (La hol wala quwat). Aaj kal koee aisa karnae koe kahae toe agla kahta hai ohh baba jee aap kee toe tangain Qabar main latkee howee hain. Kya pata kal hoe na hoe lol.

Agar aisa hoe toe herr Subah Hazrat Hafsa kya kahkae Hazrat Umm e Kulthoom (as) koe bulayain gee "Asslamoaliaka ya binta bintee wa ummee" (Asslamoalaikum daughter of my daughter and my mother). Orr Hazrat Umm e Kulthoom (as) kahtee hoon gee "Asslamoalaikum ya Umma ummee wa bintee" (Asslamoalaikum mother of my mother and my daughter). . lol Simply Non-sense.
عدة من أصحابنا، عن أحمد بن محمد، عن ابن فضال، عن علي بن عقبة، عن أبيه قال: سمعت أبا عبدالله عليه السلام يقول: اجعلوا أمركم لله، ولا تجعلوه للناس فإنه ما كان لله فهو لله، وما كان للناس فلا يصعد إلى الله، ولا تخاصموا الناس لدينكم فإن المخاصمة ممرضة للقلب، إن الله تعالى قال لنبيه صلى الله عليه وآله: " إنك لا تهدي من أحببت ولكن الله يهدي من يشاء " وقال: " أفأنت تكره الناس حتى يكونوا مؤمنين " ذروا الناس فإن الناس أخذوا عن الناس وإنكم أخذتم عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله، إني سمعت أبي عليه السلام يقول: إن الله عزوجل إذا كتب على عبد أن يدخل في هذا الامر كان أسرع إليه من الطير إلى وكره.

A number of our companions from Ahmad b. Muhammad from ibn Faddal from Ali b. ‘Uqba from his father. He said: I heard Abu ‘Abdallah (عليه السلام) saying: Make your affair for Allah and do not make it for the people. Whatever is for Allah then it is for Allah. And whatever is for people will not ascend to Allah. Do not quarrel with the people about your religion because quarreling sickens the heart. Allah عزوجل said to His Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله “Verily you do not guide whomever you love, but Allah guides whomever He wants” (28:56). “Would you compel the people until they be believers?" (10:99). Leave the people alone because the people have taken from people and you have taken from the Messenger of Allahصلى الله عليه وآله . I heard my father (عليه السلام) saying, "When Allah عزوجل writes for a servant to enter in this affair he will be faster to it than the bird to its nest." (al-Kafi)

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Posted 28 June 2008 - 09:09 AM

Nawasi ka rishta nahin chand "Baitee kee Nawasee" ka rishta banta hai. Mairae Sohnae iss sae Hazrat Umer kee bhee bae Izatee kartae hoe tum orr Hazrat Ali (as) kee shaan main bhee gustakhi kartae hoe.

Yae tumharee ghalat fehmee hae kae iss sae Hazrat Umer kae rutbae main koee izzafa hoe raha hai. Aissee baat unn kae liyae EDITED hai.
عدة من أصحابنا، عن أحمد بن محمد، عن ابن فضال، عن علي بن عقبة، عن أبيه قال: سمعت أبا عبدالله عليه السلام يقول: اجعلوا أمركم لله، ولا تجعلوه للناس فإنه ما كان لله فهو لله، وما كان للناس فلا يصعد إلى الله، ولا تخاصموا الناس لدينكم فإن المخاصمة ممرضة للقلب، إن الله تعالى قال لنبيه صلى الله عليه وآله: " إنك لا تهدي من أحببت ولكن الله يهدي من يشاء " وقال: " أفأنت تكره الناس حتى يكونوا مؤمنين " ذروا الناس فإن الناس أخذوا عن الناس وإنكم أخذتم عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله، إني سمعت أبي عليه السلام يقول: إن الله عزوجل إذا كتب على عبد أن يدخل في هذا الامر كان أسرع إليه من الطير إلى وكره.

A number of our companions from Ahmad b. Muhammad from ibn Faddal from Ali b. ‘Uqba from his father. He said: I heard Abu ‘Abdallah (عليه السلام) saying: Make your affair for Allah and do not make it for the people. Whatever is for Allah then it is for Allah. And whatever is for people will not ascend to Allah. Do not quarrel with the people about your religion because quarreling sickens the heart. Allah عزوجل said to His Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله “Verily you do not guide whomever you love, but Allah guides whomever He wants” (28:56). “Would you compel the people until they be believers?" (10:99). Leave the people alone because the people have taken from people and you have taken from the Messenger of Allahصلى الله عليه وآله . I heard my father (عليه السلام) saying, "When Allah عزوجل writes for a servant to enter in this affair he will be faster to it than the bird to its nest." (al-Kafi)

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Posted 28 June 2008 - 04:08 PM


salam

i think we should leave the debate on nawasi and chacha
if any one has any strong thing to prove then we should continue this

wassalam


khuda wand! jo duhsman e ahle bait hain agar qabil hidayat hain tu unhai hidayat dey warna neest o nabood farma.

humey aur mazboot kar.

humaray ullema ka saya hum par hameesha rahey.

jo hujjat hai 12 teri us ka zahoor jald fama

humay syed u shuda ki tarhan shaheed honay ki taufeeq dey

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Posted 01 July 2008 - 12:20 PM

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if any one has any strong thing to prove then we should continue this

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Is post mein "Muhammad_Bin_AbuBakr" k sawal ka bhi tafseeli jawab mojood hai.


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Posted 01 July 2008 - 12:20 PM

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Posted 01 July 2008 - 12:21 PM

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Posted 01 July 2008 - 12:21 PM

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And when it is said unto them (Kuffars): Believe as these people [Sahabah {R.A}] believe; they say: "Shall we believe as these foolish believe? Alert! they (Kuffars) are the foolish but they know not. {Surah Al-Baqarah, Ayah#13}


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Posted 01 July 2008 - 12:22 PM

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 07:02 AM



salam

please i have already told you that in pakistan it is blocked.
is waja sey mujhay aik aik link ko anonymouse par kholna parta hai jo kay ziada time leta hai
is liye app 1 -1 point likhey jao mai bhi 1-1 point ka answer deta jaun ga
kyu k ab urdu forum par mai akela shia hun
aur metay pas time nahi hota

wassalam



khuda wand! jo duhsman e ahle bait hain agar qabil hidayat hain tu unhai hidayat dey warna neest o nabood farma.

humey aur mazboot kar.

humaray ullema ka saya hum par hameesha rahey.

jo hujjat hai 12 teri us ka zahoor jald fama

humay syed u shuda ki tarhan shaheed honay ki taufeeq dey

(Tehreek e Hezbollah Pakistan)


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Posted 02 July 2008 - 12:11 PM

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please i have already told you that in pakistan it is blocked.
is waja sey mujhay aik aik link ko anonymouse par kholna parta hai jo kay ziada time leta hai
is liye app 1 -1 point likhey jao mai bhi 1-1 point ka answer deta jaun ga
kyu k ab urdu forum par mai akela shia hun
aur metay pas time nahi hota

Haqeeqat ko daikhnay k liye to apko thori mehnat bhi karni paray gi aur time bhi sarf karna paray ga, warna agar ham isay likhein to phir ap mantay nahi.

And when it is said unto them (Kuffars): Believe as these people [Sahabah {R.A}] believe; they say: "Shall we believe as these foolish believe? Alert! they (Kuffars) are the foolish but they know not. {Surah Al-Baqarah, Ayah#13}


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Posted 02 July 2008 - 01:04 PM


salam

agar ap 1-1 point par baat karna chao tu theek warna ap ki marzi

wassalam


khuda wand! jo duhsman e ahle bait hain agar qabil hidayat hain tu unhai hidayat dey warna neest o nabood farma.

humey aur mazboot kar.

humaray ullema ka saya hum par hameesha rahey.

jo hujjat hai 12 teri us ka zahoor jald fama

humay syed u shuda ki tarhan shaheed honay ki taufeeq dey

(Tehreek e Hezbollah Pakistan)


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Posted 02 July 2008 - 04:38 PM

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agar ap 1-1 point par baat karna chao tu theek warna ap ki marzi

Ap k paas time nahi hawala khol k dekhnay ka to mera kya kasur? Is tarha to ap get-set-go ja rahay ho topic se...

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 05:34 PM


Kahan ghaib ho gye khair talab ?

And when it is said unto them (Kuffars): Believe as these people [Sahabah {R.A}] believe; they say: "Shall we believe as these foolish believe? Alert! they (Kuffars) are the foolish but they know not. {Surah Al-Baqarah, Ayah#13}


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Posted 12 July 2008 - 04:17 PM

View PostJhangvi, on Jul 11 2008, 10:34 PM, said:


Kahan ghaib ho gye khair talab ?


Bro Jhangvi, I have found something interesting.... Let me make the case here

According to Muhammad bin Abu Bakar, th most reliable shia source is Al-Islam.org:


http://islamic-forum.net/index.php?s=&showtopic=7391&view=findpost&p=51839

Now found something at this website that may interest u and others...

The most reliable and popular Shia website, Al-Islam.org, has a section for fatwas entitled "Aalim Network". These Shia Aalims refute Answering-Ansar, the Shia Encyclopedia, and Shia Chat by clearly stating that Ali ibn Abi Talib did in fact marry his daughter to Umar ibn al-Khattab. Shaykh Mohammed Soleiman-Peneh of the "Aalim Network" stated:


http://www.al-islam.org/Organizations/Aalimnetwork/msg00166.html


So, Shaykh Mohammed Soleiman-Peneh's only explanation is that surely that "Imam [Ali] must have had good reasons for agreeing to the marriage." (What those reasons are is unclear, but surely, they must have been "good reasons.") And he also states that Ali at first rejected Umar's proposal, but then later accepted it out of force. Again, the Shia scholars portray a very cowardly image of Ali, saying that he was bullied into marrying his own daughter to a supposed murderer (i.e. the man whom the Shia claim killed Ali's wife and unborn child). If a Sunni were to kill a Shia man's wife and unborn child, then demanded that he be married to his daughter, how many Shia men today would accept this? Even a man with the least bit of courage and integrity would not allow this, so why would anyone accept this of the Lion of Allah, namely Ali ibn Abi Talib?

It may be that some Shia propagandists and youths will refuse to accept that Al-Islam.org, the Aalim Network, and such a respectable Shia Aalim, all accept this marriage as a fact. They might protest to the words "I believe it is also wrong" which were used in the fatwa. It should be noted that the Aalim is saying that he believes using this event to prove something is wrong, not that this event didn't take place. Indeed, a follow-up question was asked to the same scholar, as follows:


http://www.al-islam.org/organizations/AalimNetWork/msg00168.html

Shaykh Mohammad Soleiman-Panah clearly states that the "the most distinguished contemporary Shia historian" (Dr. Sayyed Ja'far Shahidi) said that the marriage between Umm Kulthoom bint Ali and Umar ibn al-Khattab did in fact take place. Although he admits that the Shia Encyclopedia is generally a good tool, in this case it is wrong, and that the more reliable opinion amongst the Shia scholarship is that the marriage did indeed take place. Shaykh Mohammed Soleiman-Panah also states that the Shia historian, Dr. Sayyed Ja'far Shahidi, is so reliable that "no contemporary Shia historian [is believed] to be more reliable than him." Is this not in contradiction to what the Shia polemecist sites have claimed, namely that the marriage is only "Nasibi propaganda"?

It should be noted that the Aalim Network of Al-Islam.org is one of the most authoratative fatwa sites on the internet, comparable to Islam-QA, Ask-Imam, or Sunni Path for Sunnis. Now it is upto the Shia lay-person to either accept the authoratative word of his top scholars or to be fooled by the propagandists amongst the Shia youth who themselves are lay-persons and change their faith if only to strengthen their polemical stance.

A well-respected Shia scholar, Shaykh Mohammed Soleiman-Panah, answered this question. Perhaps the Shia propagandists will try to question his authority by quoting the scholar's own modesty on the issue, but it should be noted that Al-Islam.org itself calls him a "Shaykh" as well as an "Aalim", such as here:


http://al-islam1.org/organizations/aalimnetwork/msg00063.html

It is therefore an established fact, by both Sunni and Shia scholarship, that Ali married his daughter to Umar.


P.S: I have provided the link to orignal websites inspite of pasting the text from there as I believe its better to let readers read from orignal source. I have provided the commentry to the shia text on their website. Let me make it clear that I have gatherd this material from another website and pasted the text as I blieve they hav better explained the than I could have and obviously the intention is to make clear the truth...

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Edited by Jhangvi, 14 July 2008 - 02:37 PM.
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Posted 12 July 2008 - 04:19 PM

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I don't know how to use the special features of this website. Please edit my above post to make it more clear and reader friendly and provide the feedback on above given post...

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 02:41 PM

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Jhangvi Bhai,

I don't know how to use the special features of this website. Please edit my above post to make it more clear and reader friendly and provide the feedback on above given post...

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SubhanAllah and MashAllah! What an exclusive post! Bravo!

Your sharp eye has identified the theif in the sleeve!

I hope Shia are speechless!

And when it is said unto them (Kuffars): Believe as these people [Sahabah {R.A}] believe; they say: "Shall we believe as these foolish believe? Alert! they (Kuffars) are the foolish but they know not. {Surah Al-Baqarah, Ayah#13}


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