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[Fatah-Momin]

Like I said before that shia will show his colours, he has started by anouncing 21st. ramadan as national Holiday.

[some1]

I donot understand on what basis you are saying yaha ali khan is sunni.......go read wiki he was a shia not sunni.

[Fatah-Momin]

Yaali:"Islam zinda hota hai har karbala k baad."
When did Islam die?

Yaali:"This holiday was started in the previous goverenment By the Musharraf"
Musharraf is a marzai

Yaali:"Hazrat Ali(a.s) ne Sabar kia jab un ki Wife (Hazrat Fatima(a.s)) ko shaheed kia"
Prove that she was Killed? and I will prove it from shia source that she died her own death.

Yaali: " (ummal Momineen Syeda Hz.) aisha (ra) k marne per holiday to durr ki baat bht se log to jante hi nahi hai k kab mare."
You shia are not muslims that is why you do not know the date of our mother's death it was 17th of Ramadan yr 58 AH.

[Abdaal]

Fatah-Momin, on Sep 20 2008, 02:44 PM, said:

[i]Yaali:"Hazrat Ali(a.s) ne Sabar kia jab un ki Wife (Hazrat Fatima(a.s)) ko shaheed kia"

What this the will of God that caused Ali to allow his wife to be killed ? Or was it the imam's own free will ?

12r Shias are so stupid at times. They just more and more holidays where they can go in their cultural centers mourn, and beat themselves.

[some1]

My friend i didn't asked you to give a emotional speech only thing i asked was to give a prove if you are truthful......well when you start saying that all culprit of Pakistan were a Sunni and every good person was a Shia you still expect Shia Sunni unity?? I condemn shia sunni fights too...I am not here fighting with them.....fights are never started over difference in aqeedah fights are always started when someone disrespects honourble personalities of other faith.....do you know when this inter sectarian fights started in pakistan??? When the followers of kheomani had a argue to start a shia revolution in pakistan like iran before that there was no sectarian fights in pakistan.....and i donot see shia sunni differences to be a very big issue really everyone knows that it has got to do with agencies rather in common people.

You said Moulana Fazlur Rehman,Qazi Hussain etc. are sunni what have they done for pakistan nothing Except criticizing on the Government..Moulana Fazlur Rehman,Qazi Hussain etc keep protesting...their whole life have spent in protesting ....They are sunni and they didn't do anything for Pakistan.

I ask what has zardari given to pakistan?? corruption?? Who is Dr.Khan a sunni or shia??  You still have not answered why quiad-e-azam wanted a sunni alim to say his funeral when he was staucnh shia??? Assuming bhutto a shia u know he played a vital in the separation of east pakistan?? If you say that bhutto was founder of atomic program i ask who were people who completed that program?? who did atomic experiments??

What about sikander mirza? the corrupt ruler and descendant of traitor mir jafar?? sunni or shia?

Lastly i ask you to bring prove for yahya khan being a sunni.And answer why quaid-e-azam asked a sunni to pray his funeral.

[Ali Muaawiah]

^^^ Bro some1 I rarely understand what this guy YA ALI is saying... His thoughts and personality seems to be more obsessed with Zakirs, I believe. He comes and dlivers an emotional content and My God, his information is seriously flawed or may be he doing Taqiyya and he knows what truth is, don't know whats the matter with him...

Regarding Yousaf Raza being sunni, I wrote him this in another thread... H e just said it in the air without knowing that someone from the home town of Yousaf Raza may be present :-)

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So do u mean that son of Syed Alamdaar Hussain Shah Gillani (Syed Yousaf Raza Gillani) converted to mainstream muslim, as his father was staunch Shia... Perhaps even better a shia than u are... He has many IMAM BARAY on his name there in Multan.... Now here comes u claiming that his son is Sunni, I don't know when yousaf Raza became Musim, but to me he was a shia uptill now taking forward his father's legacy....

I don't know what will be answer now, may be another Blah Blah Blah or somethings as out of context as Islam zinda hota hay har karbala k baad :-)

Wassalam

[some1]

Very true Bro Ali Muawiyah his father was surely a shia i heard his interview on ptv,i dont think he is doing taqiyah friend seems to be seriouly ill-informed.

Edited by some1, 21 September 2008 - 02:43 PM.

[tRUEMOMIN]

yaali, on Sep 21 2008, 11:30 AM, said:

Salaam
No He was sunni,Like Syed Yousaf Raza gilani .
Moulana Fazlur Rehman,Qazi Hussain etc. are sunni what have they done for pakistan nothing Except criticizing on the Government..Moulana Fazlur Rehman,Qazi Hussain etc keep protesting...their whole life have spent in protesting ....They are sunni and they didn't do anything for Pakistan.
Shia does everything for the country....Zulfiqar agreed that he be Executed but he didn't listen to Zia ul Haq .....
Listen One thing whoever government will come that government will have to obey America (it's a bitter truth ) ....Because Pakistani Mulla Has brought these days that they just kept talking about America ....and they criticized on Pakistani government.
Do u know that Talibans are not pakistani.
suicide bombing keeps occuring in the country but 95% are killed muslim....An only 5% are nonmuslim....What kind of jihad is this ?????????????? it shows that taliban just hates Pakistani ....
When America is ready to attack on Pakistan he will make us fight.
this is not a jihad to kill ur own people.....
We must think about the Pakistan ....Stop thinking negative ....Pakistan already has many problem Please don't increase the Porblem of the Pakistan....Pakistan is in the hot Water....Support Pakistan ......Think about it that if Zardari is shia then Gillani is sunni and many members of the PPP are sunni ......
Don't Create Panic.America gets the most of dispute bw Sunni and Shia.
I don't come here to fight .i come here for reconciliation.Everyone has to answer by himself on judgementday.
Can't We be together in the name of Allah and Mohammad(s.a.w.a.s)..
If it were the teachings of the Islam that kill every non-muslim then Swear of God That In the Life of the Hazrat Mohammad(s.a.w.a.s) there wouldn't have been any non muslim .....
Hazrat Mohammad(s.a.w.a.s) Is the Blessing of the God(rehmattulilalameen).....follow the teachings of Hazrat Mohammad(s.a.w.a.s).
Help Pakistan! and Strong Pakistan by adding ur prosperity

So manny false let me point few, is qazi hussain sunni, he is follows of Modoodeee. go to haqcharyaar website you will they consider him as fitna.

How many sucide attack in taliban goverment and how many people died and compare with them.

Let me tell you one thing and all people on forum there are 44 country forces in aftanistan and even afghan govt is aganist them and still none can able to finish them they are still in power and arms forces fear them. This is true sign from Allah that Allah is with them.



Last thing have you noticed yali keep pumping to work together means shia sunni. and pakistan has so many problems. This is a t hing that they keep showing and our inncoceent sunni momin brothers comes and trap and they keep using abusing about shabaaba. Why you not burn all books which your auther written about shahabab then we can think of you together.

[Fatah-Momin]

yaali never responded to my response to his earlier post. why?

[some1]

yaali, on Sep 22 2008, 07:24 AM, said:

Salaam
Actually it's been ur habit to say shia to him who supports shia little bit like if a governor gives holiday on 21th Ramazan or 10th Muharram then u say Shia to him .....
Zardari Already had been sentenced 11 years ....But Ur Nawaz shareef is still buming around ???
Millions dollars, Nazwaz looted in the name of policy "karza utaro mulk sawaro"
Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto started Nuclear program ...He was a staunch supporter for getting Nuclear TEchnology because when India tested Atomic Bomb Then Bhutto felt that we must test it as soon as possible....Listen the Statement Of the Zulfiqar ALi Bhutto About Nuclear Technology
"we will eat grass but we will test atom bomb"
This shows that Zulfiqar was the biggest Staunch supporter of the Nuclear Technology
And and and one thing more
Without Missile Technology Atom Bomb Is useless
Shaheed Benazir bhutto got Missile technology ......
Who starts anything Credit goes to him .Like Allama Iqbal just thought About Pakistan But he is our National poet.
Like Quaid-e-azam was the leader Of the Muslim league but it is taught in the Schools and colleges that Pakistan is made by Mohammad Ali Jinnah but there were many members in the Muslim League but their names don't come as much as Quaid's.
This is love for shia from the Pakistani people ....why don't ur people elect u???
PPP is Liked by Pakistani People .Zulfiqar is liked by Pakistani People But ur own people curse Zia ul haq.
Now tell me What Zia ul haq, Qazi and Fazlur Rehman did ....
Zia ul haq just destroyed the Pakistan by bringing Talibans To the country.These Talibans are destroying pakistan ....They kill Innocent Pakistan ,they kill 95% muslim and they say that this is Jihad......Wow what a loyality
Actually ,According to ur dogma u all don't have right to say anything to the Prime Minister and President AS Well
Quran:
"Ittat karo Allah ki, ittat Karo Rasool(s.a.w.a.s) ki or olul amr ki"
"Obey The God ,Obey the Prophet (s.a.w.a.s) and Governor(huqmaraan)"
U take olul amr as the governor (huqmaraan)....so don't commit sin Boss:p
This is not allowed for u to say anything to ur governor this is sinful act for u
Many theologians leaded funeral prayers of the Mohammad Ali Jinnah whether this is sunni or shia except one theologian who was a qadyani he said that i couldn't lead any Kafir's Funeral prayer.....
Allah Haffiz

I asked the proof for yaha khan being sunni? Nawaz shareef suffered exile he couldnt attend the funeral of his father.Javid hashmi suffered jail like zardari.Bhutto was the one who said at the time of 1971 that "you there and we here" he was so power hungry that he refused the majority of bengali's.This was one of the main causes east pakistan got separated.So the two main character of separation of pakistan were shia.

Quaid-e-azam was not founder of muslim league rather the one who gave it glory.Same way Dr khan if not the founder of atomic program still he was a one who gave his everyhing to make atom bomb.

Today shia leaders like zardari and ysuf raza gilani dont have dare to speak agiasnt america.It was a sunni general kiyani who first spoke.Same way nawaz sharif didnot accepted bribery from america and did atomic experiments.Nawaz sharif preffered to give his goverment.But bhutto didnot if he had then maybe east pakistan hadnot separated.

You support benazir but i thought in shia relegion a women cant be Imam?? Do you know that It was benazir who first supported taliban???

Zial ul haq saved pakistan from a mighty power like russia who intented to conquer pakistan.

I ask what iskander mirza did? He was the reason first martial law was imposed on pakistan.

Why only quote half ayah? The next ayah says if there is a disagreement follow Allah(swt) and his Prophet(saw).So we have all right to disagree with those who are away from Quran and sunnah whether it be anyone.While you say that this ayah is for Imams i wonder how Imam and Quran sunnah could disagree when Imams are infallible.

I ask who was the one quaid-e-azam nominated? Any naqvi?? No it was Shabbir Usmani whom quadi-e-azam in his will wrote that he will say his funeral.

Edited by some1, 22 September 2008 - 01:01 PM.