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#1 OFFLINE   Efendi

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 06:26 PM

While I was browsing through "Amaali al-Sadooq" by Ibn Babawaih al-Qummi, I stumbled with the following narration, which is extremely interesting.

The Shi'a argue that Iftaar (breaking of fasting) must be done when it is night. That the sign for knowing it is night, is the interlacing of stars.

Interestingly, their Imams say they seek refuge in Allah and disown anyone who breaks his fast when stars interlace with each others.

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Council 62
Tuesday, last day of Rabie' II, 368 h.
1- Reported to us the celebrity Muhaddith & Jurist Abu Ja'far Muhammad b. Ali b. al-Hussain b. Musa b. Babawaih al-Qummi, he said: Narrated to us my father, saying: Narrated to us Muhammad b. Yahya al-'Attar saying: Narrated to us Sahl b. Ziyad al-Adamy, from Haroon b. Muslim from Muhammad b. Abi Umair, from Ali b. Ismael saying: I was told by Abu Usamah al-Shah-haam saying: I heard Abu Abdullah [as] saying: Whoever delays Maghrib until stars interlace with each others for no good reason, I disown him before Allah.


Interesting isn't it?

PS. by respected brother al-Hajjaj


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Posted 18 February 2009 - 07:15 PM

View PostEfendi, on Feb 18 2009, 11:26 PM, said:

While I was browsing through "Amaali al-Sadooq" by Ibn Babawaih al-Qummi, I stumbled with the following narration, which is extremely interesting.

The Shi'a argue that Iftaar (breaking of fasting) must be done when it is night. That the sign for knowing it is night, is the interlacing of stars.

Interestingly, their Imams say they seek refuge in Allah and disown anyone who breaks his fast when stars interlace with each others.

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Council 62
Tuesday, last day of Rabie' II, 368 h.
1- Reported to us the celebrity Muhaddith & Jurist Abu Ja'far Muhammad b. Ali b. al-Hussain b. Musa b. Babawaih al-Qummi, he said: Narrated to us my father, saying: Narrated to us Muhammad b. Yahya al-'Attar saying: Narrated to us Sahl b. Ziyad al-Adamy, from Haroon b. Muslim from Muhammad b. Abi Umair, from Ali b. Ismael saying: I was told by Abu Usamah al-Shah-haam saying: I heard Abu Abdullah [as] saying: Whoever delays Maghrib until stars interlace with each others for no good reason, I disown him before Allah.


Interesting isn't it?

PS. by respected brother al-Hajjaj

May Allah curse that man who created Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V lolz
the word in the narration written min ghair ila
this has no relation to what Mr said ,for example a person watching tv and not offering prayer this could be one direction to the narration

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 02:27 AM

Chain also seems to be weak because of Sehal ibne Ziyad.

As for matan then obviously if Maghrib time has appeared then it is necessary to pray first because it carries more importance then anything else.

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 09:08 AM

View PostQANBAR, on Feb 19 2009, 06:15 AM, said:

May Allah curse that man who created Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V lolz

You guys just curse everyone and anyone don't you?

View PostVsd, on Feb 19 2009, 01:27 PM, said:

Chain also seems to be weak because of Sehal ibne Ziyad.

haha no surprise by mr VSD "Daeef!". I swear sometimes I think that VSD will declare every hadith Da'eef until he's thrown away every single shiia hadith.

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 12:39 PM

View Post1path, on Feb 19 2009, 02:08 PM, said:

You guys just curse everyone and anyone don't you?



haha no surprise by mr VSD "Daeef!". I swear sometimes I think that VSD will declare every hadith Da'eef until he's thrown away every single shiia hadith.

we curse people for their wrong deeds need to eleborate

2: Shia religon only believe Quran as sahih and after that every thing has to be testified on basis of quran also need some explaination. we do not believe sahih bemari

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 02:51 PM

View Post1path, on Feb 19 2009, 02:08 PM, said:

haha no surprise by mr VSD "Daeef!". I swear sometimes I think that VSD will declare every hadith Da'eef until he's thrown away every single shiia hadith.

Lolz.


We don't believe that everything is strong just because it is narrated unless it is authentic as per Sanad.

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 04:35 PM

View PostQANBAR, on Feb 19 2009, 11:39 PM, said:

we curse people for their wrong deeds need to eleborate


lol the man that invented copy and paste deserves to be cursed? lol we don't even know him!

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 05:45 PM

View Post1path, on Feb 19 2009, 02:08 PM, said:

You guys just curse everyone and anyone don't you?



haha no surprise by mr VSD "Daeef!". I swear sometimes I think that VSD will declare every hadith Da'eef until he's thrown away every single shiia hadith.



LOL
VSD is a weird bird.I have never come accros a rafidhi throwing away his own book and giving a impression that those rafidhanarrators were sinful lying disbelievers worst of mankind.

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 06:05 PM

@Nawasibs are Kafir


I was expecting such foolish replies from your party.

U people are simply fond of citing weak sources so that is not my problem.

Come up with authentic proofs. A narrator when is Majhool then his narrations are likely to be Dhaeef. This is the simple rule as said by Dhabbi too.

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 06:07 PM

View PostVsd, on Feb 19 2009, 11:05 PM, said:

@Nawasibs are Kafir


I was expecting such foolish replies from your party.

U people are simply fond of citing weak sources so that is not my problem.

Come up with authentic proofs. A narrator when is Majhool then his narrations are likely to be Dhaeef. This is the simple rule as said by Dhabbi too.


Rafidhidisbeliever,

Conclusion: most of shia books are fairytales, and 99% of shia narrators were liars.

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Posted 20 February 2009 - 03:02 PM

Umar being a moderator of this forum, u need to show some guts as well as respecting the rules.

I hope that irrelevant discussions are not allowed in a topic so I request u to delete all unnecessary posts.

Thank u.

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Posted 20 February 2009 - 03:10 PM

As per your request they are deleted including my own post now if there is any let me know
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Posted 20 February 2009 - 03:18 PM

Thanks. Hoping for a sound reply from any member.





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