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Abdullah Bin Sabah Sannani Yahoudi (Father of Rafadies)

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Existence of Abdullah ibn Saba is both accepted by Sunnis, Shias and the Westener historians. Today some Shias try their best to even deny his existence, let alone the role he played in the foundation of Shiaism. He is to Shiaism, what Saint Paul is to Christianity.

1. It says in Anwaar-ul-Na'umania, a Shia book:

Abdullah Ibn-e-Saba was the first who declared the faith in Imamat and that Hazrat Ali [r.a] is the true God [Na

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Indeed interesting. How reliable are the narrations though?

And as you probably know, orientalists don't examine narrations in a way acceptable according to Islamic standards.

Do you have an reference for that which you quote Ibn Khaldun?

"Abdullah bin Saba, who was popularly known as Ibn Sauda, was a Jew. He had left his country during the tenure of Hadhrat Uthman but he had not embraced Islam from the core of his heart. When he was honked out of Basra, he left for Kufa from where he made a bee - line for Syria. The Syrians also whipped him out of their country and he left for Egypt. He made Hadhrat Uthman [r.a] the special butt of his critical remarks and secretly invited people to institute the Khilafat of the Ahl-i-Bait. He pressed upon people to launch the campaign and he spared no opportunity to criticize the rulers. Some of the people openly sided with him. They had come from different cities and therefore they kept up their links through correspondence. Khalid bin Maljim, Saudan bin Hamran and Kinana bin Basher supported the campaign launched by Abdullah bin Saba. They had also persuaded Ammar not to return to Madina. Ammar was one of those people who had openly lambasted Hadhrat Uthman[r.a] for first turning Hadhrat Abu Zar [r.a] out of Syria into Madina and then for pushing him out of Madina towards Abzah, though, under the circumstances, the action of Hadhrat Uthman [r.a] was justified. Hadhrat Abu Zar[r.a] , out of the intensity of his piety and austerity, used to force people to lead their lives on similar lines and to learn to face the hardships of life. He persuaded people to stock for themselves not more than a day's ration. He also illustrate ed with reasoning the undesirability of hoarding gold and silver. Ibn Saba used to instigate Hadhrat Abu Zar [r.a] against Hadhrat Muawiyah by stressing that he supported the distribution of goods among the people. Hadhrat Abu Zar [r.a] started condemning Hadhrat Muawiyah[r.a] . Hadhrat Muawiyah [r.a] coaxed him a little and told him : I'll also harp on the same turn that all goods belong to Allah."

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A. I have only quoted few orientalists, but also shown it from authentic Shia and Sunni books, the role of Abdullah ibn Saba. Usually the orientalists favour Shiaism and if Abdullah ibn Saba was a fairy tale, so many of the orientalists would not have mentioned him. Even a blind person can't deny the role ibn Saba played in the origions of Shiaism.

B. The qoute of Allamah ibn Khuldoon was taken from Shia's and Shiaism, there Genesis and Evolution, by Allamah Ehsan Elahi Zaheer shaheed. He was the author of many books on Shias and their history, and later on he was killed by the Shias and was burried in Medina. Also its mentioned in Abdullah ibn Saba, Tareekh kay Aiyne Main , by Hakeem Faiz Alam Siddiqui. Hazrat Shah Abdul Aziz Dehlvi [r.h] has also written in details about ibn Saba in his magnum opus called Tuhfa Isna Ashariya.

And to add to the above list:

22. And it is narrated from Imam Abu Hanifa [r.a]:

"Abdullah ibn Saba was a Jewish and he [supposedly] accepted Islam during the time of Hazrat Usman [r.a] and he urged the people of Egypt to kill Hazrat Usman [r.a] and he would show musch love for Hazrat Ali [r.a]. He was a khabees from inside and his only mission was to create fitna among the Muslims."

عبد اللّه بن سبا كان يهوديا فاسلم ايام عثمان وهوالذى

حمل اهل مصر على قتل عثمان واظهر

الميل الى على وكان خبيث الباطن غرض الفساد بين المسلمين

[Musnad Imam-e-Azam page 158]

23. Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jailani [r.h] says:

"Sabain sect are attributed towards Abdullah ibn Saba and they said Hazrat Ali [r.a] is alive and will come back before Qiyamat."

واما لسبائية فمنسوبة الى عبداللّه بن سبا من دعوهم ان عليا لم يمت وانه يرجع قبل يوم القيامة

[Ghunyat al-Talibeen]

and more can be provided.

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24. Famous Shia scholar Allamah Kashi narrates in his book from one of the Shia Imam Abu Abdullah [r.h]:

"May Allah curse Abdullah ibn Saba, he said that Hazrat Ali [r.a] is God. But Hazrat Ali [r.a] was a servant of Allah."

لعن اللّه عبداللّه بن سبا انه ادعو الربوية فى امير المؤمنين عبدا طالباً

[Rijaal-e-Kashi, page 100]

[Qamoos al-Rijaal, vol 5 page 46]

25. Allamah Sharastani [r.h] writes:

"Abdullah ibn Saba...was the first person who said that Imamat of Hazrat Ali [r.a] is proven from nas."

اصحاب عبداللّه بن سبا٠٠٠ وهو اول من اظهر القول بالنص بامامة على كرم اللّه وجهه

[Al-Milal wa al-Nahal, vol 1 page 174]

26. Saad Bin Abdullah Al Ash'ari Alqummi said:

"Sabians are companions of Abdullah Ibn saba,

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http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?t=4756&highlight=saba

these scans are worth reading since they refute one of the most strongest argument of shia for denial of abdullah ibn saba.

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further exposing the lies of the nawasib in detail:

http://www.[not allowed]/encyclopedia/chapter10/1.html
http://www.[not allowed]/encyclopedia/chapter10/2.html
http://www.[not allowed]/encyclopedia/chapter10/3.html
http://www.[not allowed]/encyclopedia/chapter10/4.html
http://www.[not allowed]/encyclopedia/chapter10/5.html

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http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?t=4756&highlight=saba

this link destroys the whole base of arguments of shian e dajjal. And their scholar murtuza askari.

Moreover even this is intresting:

Jewish Encyclopedia: Abdullah ibn Saba, Founder of Shi

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Salam

LOL SOS he is gonna b destroyed on multaqa LOL...

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Ibn Sabah is a myth. Also the Rafidis did even exist in the time of Imam Ali (as) and his sons.

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Ibn Sabah is a myth. Also the Rafidis did even exist in the time of Imam Ali (as) and his sons.

your knowledge is very poor about history........

go read some books dont be mislead by the rafidi propoganda.

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No abdullah ibn saba is not a myth but he was a mushrik and an exaggerator and he was cursed by every shia scholar that mentioned his name

here's the view of our ulama about him:

sheikh tusi said:

عبد الله بن سبأ الذي رجع إلى الكفر وأظهر الغلو

abdullah ibn saba he went back to disbelief( kofr) and showed exaggeration

ref: rijel al-toosi page 80

allama al-hilli :

عبد الله بن سبأ غالٍ ملعون، حرَّقه أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام بالنار، كان يزعم أن عليًّا عليه السلام إله، وأنه نبي

abdullah ibn saba and exaggerator and a cursed person , was burned with fire by amerr al-momineen (as), he used to claim that ali(as) is god and that he (ibn saba) was a prophet

ref: allam al-hilli in khulasa page 237

al-kishi said :

كان يدَّعي النبوة وأن عليًّا عليه السلام هو الله، فاستتابه عليه السلام ثلاثة أيام فلم يرجع، فأحرقه في النار في جملة سبعين رجلاً ادَّعوا فيه ذلك

he used to claim prophethood and that ali (as) is allah ( astaghfirollah) so imam ali gave him three days to repent but he refused so he burned him with fire with seventy more men who claimed this also

ref: rijel ibn dawood

and the list goes on and on and on ...

so i ask the ignorant alijan and other scum: why do shia curse ibn saba if he was the founder of their faith??? and who from amongst the shia imamyyah hold such view of ibn saba that ali (as) is allah(astghfirollah) or that ibn saba is a prophet??

i say lanatollah alalkadhibeen

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i dont have time to answer the post of wasil since its late night here.

anyways its worth reading:

The Origin of Shiaism

http://www.kr-hcy.com/statichtml/files/104148273026464.shtml

Shiaism and Sabai

http://www.kr-hcy.com/statichtml/files/104148265272363.shtml

Shia's Allegations

http://www.kr-hcy.com/statichtml/files/104148254551063.shtml

The Sabai's Period

http://www.kr-hcy.com/statichtml/files/104148244482944.shtml

Shia Sects

http://www.kr-hcy.com/statichtml/files/104148240468934.shtml

Shia's of Ithna-e-Ashriyya

http://www.kr-hcy.com/statichtml/files/104148220734619.shtml

Ithna-e-Ashriyya and Sabai's Belief

http://www.kr-hcy.com/statichtml/files/104148209358778.shtml
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No abdullah ibn saba is not a myth but he was a mushrik and an exaggerator and he was cursed by every shia scholar that mentioned his name

Whatever the case is ! We have dealt with this alijan on forum of islam too. You should not take him seriously.

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Whatever the case is ! We have dealt with this alijan on forum of islam too. You should not take him seriously.

when u didnt knew the basic how you dealt with anyone based on those misconceptions? :)

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