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kya koi shia, imamat ko Quran se proof kr sakta he?

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Are bhai koi shia to imamat ko prove karo Quran se..

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Most sunnis who debate shias will often ask to prove imamat from quran without using any Ahadeeth or tafseer of quran.In closer inspection you only need 2 ayas of the holy quran to refute them:

1.O you who believe, obey Allah and obey His Messenger and those amongst you who are given supreme authority (by Allah). (4:59)

they will say this aya could be talking about , khalifa, scholar , Jihad commander etc (even though they need tafseer or hadeeth to back that up) but Quran tells them quite the opposite

2. Therefore wait patiently for the command of your Lord, and obey not from among them a sinner or an ungrateful one.76:24 (Quran)

So now its clear The quran says to follow those given supreme authority and they have to be masoom(sinless) those can only be the Imams(as) unless the sunnis say the khulafa,Ulema and others were sinless.

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great joke......SUPREME AUTHORITY...

according to shia first imam and then rest of the all imams were robbed off of their supreme authority by Muslims KHULAFA(NauzubILLAH)......

If some one is not able to maintain his khilafat and get his right(ACCORDING TO SHIA)....then what kind of SUPREME AUTHRITY he is having.....?????

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Qadyanis are not muslims as they don't consider Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) to be the last messanger of Allah.

As for Jews and Christians, at least they took half of the verse, you people have changed the entire book of Hadith. Your favorite Sahaba paid people people to make hadiths in their favor but their actions were totally against it. I've posted many questions for you but you didn't reply to any of them but in fact you're trying to ignore them.

When I quote you any hadith or event from Prophet's life, you call it Alif Laila Khani. We've been proving you WRONG from centuries and INSHALLAH we'll continue to do so. You call your own books and scholars as immature such as Maudidi, Tahir Qadri, etc. You refuse to accept the truth. But it does not mean I'll stop. I'll continue to fight. I'll continue my Matam because my hand on my chest is a slap on EVER YAZIDI's face. If I do matam, if I cry on Hussain, then why do you feel pain?

You guys are worst than jews and christains. Every religion gave a high status to their Prophet, Esa is a son of God for Christians but you Wahabis think Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is a normal person like you.

Karbala Agar Jung Hai Do Shezado Ke

Qalam main Dam hai to likh HUSSAIN har geya

Bus YA HUSSAIN

zara apni kitaabon may bhi jhank lo hz. hussain ra or allah aik hai, yaqeen nahi aata "apna tv ki majlis sun lo tumharay zakir kiya kharaha hai, kabi 14 persons allah hotay hain or kabhi allah 14 persons hota hai.

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salam.

bat sirf etne see ha kay imamat ko Quran se proof karo bas etne sa sawal ha bat kahan say kaha la kar ja rahy ho Kash H. Ali ® zinda hotay tu tum ko bhee aag ma daal daty jes Tarhan ibna saba ko jalaya thaa abb ya mat kahna iba saba thaa hee nahe aap ke apne books ma zikar ha ? khar ya topic dosa ho jaya ga bat sirf etne ha kay Quran say imamat proof karo bas,

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Umer bhai tuse gr8 ho apnay name ke tarhan ? or Fatha bahi ap bee bat ya ha kay Allah jes ko hedayat dana chahay da data ha . aap apna kam buhat acha or iman dare kay sath kar rahay han balkay tamam muslims bhaiyun ko Allah apne hefazat ma rakhy or elam de doulat say mala mal kary Ameen.

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Qadyanis are not muslims as they don't consider Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) to be the last messanger of Allah.

As for Jews and Christians, at least they took half of the verse, you people have changed the entire book of Hadith. Your favorite Sahaba paid people people to make hadiths in their favor but their actions were totally against it. I've posted many questions for you but you didn't reply to any of them but in fact you're trying to ignore them.

When I quote you any hadith or event from Prophet's life, you call it Alif Laila Khani. We've been proving you WRONG from centuries and INSHALLAH we'll continue to do so. You call your own books and scholars as immature such as Maudidi, Tahir Qadri, etc. You refuse to accept the truth. But it does not mean I'll stop. I'll continue to fight. I'll continue my Matam because my hand on my chest is a slap on EVER YAZIDI's face. If I do matam, if I cry on Hussain, then why do you feel pain?

You guys are worst than jews and christains. Every religion gave a high status to their Prophet, Esa is a son of God for Christians but you Wahabis think Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is a normal person like you.

Karbala Agar Jung Hai Do Shezado Ke

Qalam main Dam hai to likh HUSSAIN har geya

Bus YA HUSSAIN

ye aqeeda aap logon ka b hai , or aap b khatme nabuwwat k munkir ho, lekin baat sirf itni si hai k wo khul k bolte the, lekin tum logo ne har galat kam ko aik nam dai kar jayaz or ibadat qarar diya hai, bolo to sabit kar dun?

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Shiao se sirf ek ayat Quran ki chahiay jo yeh proof kr skre k imamat Quran se sabit he!!

QUOTE Murtada: Al-Shafi, vol 2 p. 128..

Famous shia scholar Sharif Murtada said:

انا لا ندعي علم الضرورة في النص ، لا لأنفسنا ولا على مخالفينا ، وما نعرف احدا من اصحابنا صرح بادعاء ذلك

Translation: We do not claim (existence of) essential knowledge in the nass (on the imamah), neither for ourselves nor against our opponents, and we do not know of any of our people who claim that"

And Prophet image008.gif says: Whoever angers Fatima (as), angers Me image008.gif.

[sahih Bukhari volume? 5, book 57, hadith 67]

Fatima (as) got angry and stopped speaking to ABU BAKRA till she died.

[sahih Bukhari volume 4, book 53, hadith 325]

Quran chapter 118: For he who makes you image008.gif angry, he will be cut off.

BAQI BATON KO TU CHOR PHLE TU YE BTA K TU MANTA HI UN KO HA JIN KO KHUDA AZZAB DNE VALA HA LOLLLZ

TU MJE YE BTA JO LOG 30 40 SAL KI UMR MA A KAR MUSULMAN HVE HAI JIN K KHATNAY B NAI HVE THAY LOLLLZZ BAAD MA VO SYED BAN GAE LOLLLZZ KOI KAFIR BHI BAAD MA SYED BAN SKTA HA LOLLLZ LANAT HA TM LOGO K AISAY DIMAGH PE JO YE SOCH NAI SKTA K SYED HOTA KIA HA lollllzzz

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And Prophet image008.gif says: Whoever angers Fatima (as), angers Me image008.gif.

[sahih Bukhari volume? 5, book 57, hadith 67]

Fatima (as) got angry and stopped speaking to ABU BAKRA till she died.

[sahih Bukhari volume 4, book 53, hadith 325]

Quran chapter 118: For he who makes you image008.gif angry, he will be cut off.

BAQI BATON KO TU CHOR PHLE TU YE BTA K TU MANTA HI UN KO HA JIN KO KHUDA AZZAB DNE VALA HA LOLLLZ

TU MJE YE BTA JO LOG 30 40 SAL KI UMR MA A KAR MUSULMAN HVE HAI JIN K KHATNAY B NAI HVE THAY LOLLLZZ BAAD MA VO SYED BAN GAE LOLLLZZ KOI KAFIR BHI BAAD MA SYED BAN SKTA HA LOLLLZ LANAT HA TM LOGO K AISAY DIMAGH PE JO YE SOCH NAI SKTA K SYED HOTA KIA HA lollllzzz

remember da day when we kall evry ppl wdh theri imam quran 17:71 ,.,.,.

and we made them imams who kall 2 da fire n on da day of resurrection they shall not b assisted n we caused a curse 2 follow them in ds world nd on da day of resurrection they shall b of those made 2 appear hideous quran 28:41 -42

and we made of them imams 2 guide by our commands when they wer patient n they were certain of aur comunication quran 32:24

as for those who beliv n do good surely are da best of creatures quran 98:7

hadeeesssss : ankh khol k parh annay lolzzzz

Prophet (S) sai 2 ALI A.S " its 4 u and ur shiah he further said i swear by da one who kntrls ma life that this man Ali a.s and his shiah shall secure deliverance on da day of resurection tafsir al dur al manthur (cairo) v 6 page 379 tafsir jani al bayan vol 33 p146 ibn asakir tarikh dimashq vol 42 p 333 parh andhay lolzzzz,.,.,.

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lolzzzzzzzzzzz syed "na " mtlab syed nai hai oy kam aqal k logo jo admi adhi zindagi kufr krta rhe aur alay Rasool Pe zulm kray aur MUHAMMAD S.a.w.w ka janaza tak chor day abi boooks pe tm logo k bht azeem imamo ne lollzz bra bra kr k in k karttot likhe hai date bi btai ha k kab musulman hve hai lollzz phr b unko syed khte ho sharam nai ati lollzzz ,.,.,. jawab de mje agar koi kafir ho maslan obama vo islam qabool kr lay to kia vo barak obama se syedna barak obama bn skta ha lolzzzz kam aqal ,,.,.,.,.

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lolllzzz quran ka zer zabar ka munkir kafir hota ha aur yha log puri aytein jo Ali a.s ki shan ma ai hai unko mannay se inkar krnay k bawjood apne apko musulman khti ha lollzzz wo 3 MOLA K JUTOON K BRABAR bi nai tmhari apni books aur hadees mai se mai unkay aisay aisay corupt kartoot btao k gairat ho to dhoob mar jao ZEHRA A.S K QATIL KO RAZI ALLAH LOLLLZZZZZ SHARAM KRO AUR YE PARO

And Prophet image008.gif says: Whoever angers Fatima (as), angers Me image008.gif.

[sahih Bukhari volume? 5, book 57, hadith 67]

Fatima (as) got angry and stopped speaking to ABU BAKRA till she died.

[sahih Bukhari volume 4, book 53, hadith 325]

Quran chapter 118: For he who makes you image008.gif angry, he will be cut off.

ya to quran ko manna chor do ya to apne un imamo ki ye bari bari tafseer ki kitabon ko jala do jin ma inke kartoot likhe hve hai ya to buk buk na kro hai koi mai ka lllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal awo maidan mai aur bhs karo dekhta hn kitni ghot ha baqi sab chor do sab kuch sirf aur sirf ye dekho k ALAY MUHAMMAD S.A.W.W ke qatilon se kitna ishq hai in sunni logo ko aray kafiron shia ka word to quran ma bhi aya ha suni kha ha btao dih do sunni ka naaam ma apna mazhab chr dn ga

bas rat lgai hvi ha kafir kafir shia kafir lollzz sach hi khte ho is naray ma kafir 3 bar ata ha aur ek bar shia so ALI A.S SHIA HEIN aur baqi 3 kafir lolzzzzz,.,.,.

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aur in wahabiyon ki to rat ma hi milawat ha ena da kasoor nai ina di maa da kasoor ha ay patri to lai hvi qoam hai lollzzz wahabis jo na kch bol skte hai na hi hamein ghalat proof kr skte hai aur na hi pane ap ko wrong lollzz lanat ho in yazeed ki nasal pe waqi ma wahabi yazeed ki team ha ala misal vo ha kamina zakir nalaiq lolzzzz,.,.,.

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bas baqi batein choro mre greeen pagon valay bhaio mre jhootay aur sarsari ASHIQ RASOOOL S,A,W,W BCZ sachay RASOOL S.A.W.W k al pe zulm krne walo se nafrat krta ha so unke karttoot paro apni boooks mai se ya to inka name jala do apne dil se ya to apni un kitabon aur imamo ko jala do aur bas dua karn ga k qiyamat k Din MUHAMMAD S,a,w,w ap logo ko maaf kre vse ummed to nai bcz tm log in 3 newly born syed na ko mante ho jo adhi zindagi kafir thein lollzzzzz,.,.,.

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tm logo ma itni hi himmat hoti to aj tmhari bolti band na hoti hmare alimon k samne maa ka dudh piya ha to aow samnay aue tv chanels pe baith k manazira kro halaq ma na a gai to baat krna khair jangay khaibar ma b yahi hva tha alam ko phraray lgva ke vaps aa jate thein lolzzzz koi aisi jang btao jis pe inho ne karnama sar anja m dia ho bas zewar aur mal hi loota ha inho ne puri zindagi ma lollzz lanat beshumaaaaaaaaaaar ,.,.,.

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@Jaffari

And Prophet image008.gif says: Whoever angers Fatima (as), angers Me image008.gif.

[sahih Bukhari volume? 5, book 57, hadith 67].

Above stated Hadees of Prophet Mohammad(pbuh) is highly authentic and agreed upon with Shia Traditions.

The reason why Prophet Mohammad(pbuh) has to say [Whoever angers Fatima (r.a), angers Me]

Here you go Promise you will not curse the person who has caused anger to Hazrat Fathima(r.a) and Prophet Mohammad(pbuh)

It is narrated on the authority of Abu Abdullah Jafar Al-Sadiq: A miserable of the miserables came to Fatima, the daughter of the Messenger of Allah, and said to her:

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@Jaffari.

Where are you fella?you have posted (7) posts in one day on 20th April 2010 on same day i have given reply to you.

Since then havnt seen you....................................Have you gone under CAVE as well? Missing you................lol

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