Ibne Abu Bakr

kya koi shia, imamat ko Quran se proof kr sakta he?

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Attachment ma Kahee Bhee Imamat ka zekar nahe ha Kud hee bol kar phans gaiya ho mare jan Ali Bhai Tum Ko Akhire Waqat Tak Janay Nahe Dana Gay. :) :)

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MAY NAY KUCH ATTACHMENTS LAGAI THEE WO CHECK KARLO TUMHARAJAWAB HAY USS MAY

Ok Sawali Sahab mera aik sawal hia kia sirf aik Ayat phuray Quran maay betian jo kaa Imamate Kia beharamay hoo.

Apni Attachment ko choro,Quran ki baath karthay hian maay bii appi comments wapas liatha hion,Bas Sahab jii Aik Ayat Dhkian tho main jain ka Shia jo kahathay hian thaeek hia.

Aik aur baath Puray Quran maay Kahi Nabiayon ka zakir aya hai,kahi Muqamaat ka,Zayd(r.) ka,Azaaz Muthahirat(r.a) ka,kahi Masjidoon ka,Jaab Ali saray Paghamburon saay Afzal hian,Nabi Barabar hian,Masoom Imam hian,Allah ki tharaf saay bejay hoiy Imam hian thoa Ali ka naam be zaroor hona chiaya Quran maay.Maa app saay ayaa pochata hion ka Imam Ali ka naam kion nahi aaya?

App ka jaab ka Barah hi maskoor hoin gaa.

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Mr. Ali shah..

mein ne upar aap ko wazay daleelein di Quran or aapki ahadees se phir bhi aap ka dil shaid kuch tasleem krnay ko nahi..

koi baat nahi..

chaleay ab aap se kehtay hein k aap Quran se proof karein ...

k Hazrat Abu Bakar pehlay khalifa thay..

aap Quran se proof karein abu sufiyan momin tha...

aap Quran mein batein kahan likha hai k amir muawiya ne hazart Ali alehi salam se jung ki phir bhi wo jannati hoa...

kijeay proof jo aap log mantay hein..

agar nahi kr saktay...

to poocheay ga bhi mt..

ITS TWO WAY TRAFFIC NOW..

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<br />Are bhai koi shia to imamat ko prove karo Quran se..<br />
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Bhai quraan sae ek prove?? bhai quran kia tumhari bukhari, muslim, ibn-e-maja or kaheen kitabo sae b kar sakta hun prove....... tum zara pehle hzrat abu Bakr ki khilaat to prove karo Quran sae....!

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<br />Mr. Ali shah..<br /><br />mein ne upar aap ko wazay daleelein di Quran or aapki ahadees se phir bhi aap ka dil shaid kuch tasleem krnay ko nahi..<br /><br />koi baat nahi..<br /><br />chaleay ab aap se kehtay hein k aap Quran se proof karein ...<br /><br /><b>k Hazrat Abu Bakar pehlay khalifa thay..<br /><br /><br />aap Quran se proof karein abu sufiyan momin tha...<br /><br />aap Quran mein batein kahan likha hai k amir muawiya ne hazart Ali alehi salam se jung ki phir bhi wo jannati hoa...<br /></b><br />kijeay proof jo aap log mantay hein..<br /><br />agar nahi kr saktay...<br /><br />to poocheay ga bhi mt..<br /><br /><b>ITS TWO WAY TRAFFIC NOW..</b><br />
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Murtaza Sahab.

Jo dalalian app na dii hian ais saay zayadah maboth dalialian maay datha hion.

Hazrat Abu Bakr Sadique(r.a) ko hum divinely Appointed Imam nahi kahtay...

Balkay App ko Shura ka zarya Khalifa chuna gaya.

Shura Quran saay sabaath hia.

(42:38) who obey their Lordand establish Prayer; who conduct their affairs by consultation, and spend out of what We have bestowed upon them.

(3:159) It was thanks to Allah's mercy that you were gentle to them. Had you been rough, hard-hearted, they would surely have scattered away from you. So pardon them, and pray for their forgiveness, and take counsel from them in matters of importance. And when you are resolved on a course of action place your trust in Allah; surely Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him).

Murtaza Sahab ya bohaat important part hai ais ayat pak ka (and take counsel from them in matters of importance)....

Thou Abu Bakr sadique(r.a) ko tamam Muslimanion basmoley Ali(r.a) ka khalifa muntakhab kia.

(110:2) and you see people entering Allah's religion in multitudes,

Murtaza this ayat proves Iman of Abu Sufiyan(r.a) and all who accepted Islam at the fall of Mecca.

Aur app ki ya baath (aap Quran mein batein kahan likha hai k amir muawiya ne hazart Ali alehi salam se jung ki phir bhi wo jannati hoa...

kijeay proof jo aap log mantay hein..)

Murtaza sahab in this war Ali(r.a) was right and Muawyia(r.a) ijtahad was wrong.This doesnt mean that it dismissed Mauwyia(r.a) Faith.

If Allah and His Messenger(pbuh) has accepted Abu Sufiyan and Muawyia all those who(may Allah be pleased with them all) accepted Islam after fall of Mecca then me or you cannot deny their faith,if we do we will put our own faith in danger.

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<br />Are bhai koi shia to imamat ko prove karo Quran se..<br />
<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Bhai quraan sae ek prove?? bhai quran kia tumhari bukhari, muslim, ibn-e-maja or kaheen kitabo sae b kar sakta hun prove....... tum zara pehle hzrat abu Bakr ki khilaat to prove karo Quran sae....!<br />
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Wiat mate dont jump like pop corns.....take a breath and read my reply to Murtaza at post number 50.

I am missing Deer,had he been here he would have given you good lesson to a person like you........lolz

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Hazrat Ali (as) KI wali ahdi holy Holi Quran Main <br /><br />Surai Maeda

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<br />Attachment ma Kahee Bhee Imamat ka zekar nahe ha Kud hee bol kar phans gaiya ho mare jan Ali Bhai Tum Ko Akhire Waqat Tak Janay Nahe Dana Gay. :) :)<br />
<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Hazrat Ali (as) KI wali ahdi holy Holi Quran Main <br /><br />Surai Maeda Ayat no 56 Allah Imandaron se kehta hai or <br /><br />kisi se nahi yani sirf or sirf Shieon se Kiya kehta hai----------<br /><br /> "Ay Imandaron tumhare malik serparast to bus yahi hain Allah Or Uska Rasool Edited by aeliya
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Hazrat Ali (as) KI wali ahdi holy Holi Quran Main

Surai Maeda Ayat no 56 Allah Imandaron se kehta hai or

kisi se nahi yani sirf or sirf Shieon se Kiya kehta hai----------

"Ay Imandaron tumhare malik serparast to bus yahi hain Allah Or Uska Rasool or woh momeneen jo pabandi se Namaz ada

karte hain Or halate Rooko mein zakaat dete hain or jis shaqs ne

Allah or Rasool image008.gif or onhi Imaandaron ko apna sarparast

bana liya to woh khuda k lashkar main shamil ho gaya.

Ye woh aayat hai jis se sabit hota hai k H.Z.Ali as hi imam

hain.Hai koe or jis ne Halate rooko mein zakat diya ho.

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Hazrat Ali (as) KI wali ahdi holy Holi Quran Main

Surai Maeda Ayat no 56 Allah Imandaron se kehta hai or

kisi se nahi yani sirf or sirf Shieon se Kiya kehta hai----------

"Ay Imandaron tumhare malik serparast to bus yahi hain Allah Or Uska Rasool or woh momeneen jo pabandi se Namaz ada

karte hain Or halate Rooko mein zakaat dete hain or jis shaqs ne

Allah or Rasool image008.gif or onhi Imaandaron ko apna sarparast

bana liya to woh khuda k lashkar main shamil ho gaya.

Ye woh aayat hai jis se sabit hota hai k H.Z.Ali as hi imam

hain.Hai koe or jis ne Halate rooko mein zakat diya ho.

Hum tou Ali kay ishq mein insaan ban gaye

Jesay kay Qambar-o-Meesam-o-Salman ban gaye

Yeh bugz-e-Ali jis ko virasat mein mila hey

Insaan kiya banay woh abu-sufiyaan ban gaye

Kuch log tou aisay thay Rasool-e-Khuda kay sath

Peyda huway kafir aur musalman ban gaye

Ab bhi Husainiyat ki hey dushman yazeediyat

Chehra badal liya aur Taliban ban gaye

Karun ga baat adab ki hudood kay undar

Kay Deen band hey jesay Durood kay undar

Ali kay naam kay naray wohi lagatay hain

Halaali khoon hey jis kay wajood kay undar

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<br />Hazrat Ali (as) KI wali ahdi holy Holi Quran Main <br /><br />Surai Maeda Ayat no 56 Allah Imandaron se kehta hai or <br /><br />kisi se nahi yani sirf or sirf Shieon se Kiya kehta hai----------<br /><br /> "Ay Imandaron tumhare malik serparast to bus yahi hain Allah Or Uska Rasool or woh momeneen jo pabandi se Namaz ada <br /><br />karte hain Or halate Rooko mein zakaat dete hain or jis shaqs ne <br /><br />Allah or Rasool <img src='http://islamic-forum.net/public/style_emoticons/default/image008.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='image008.gif' /> or onhi Imaandaron ko apna sarparast <br /><br />bana liya to woh khuda k lashkar main shamil ho gaya.<br /><br />Ye woh aayat hai jis se sabit hota hai k H.Z.Ali as hi imam <br /><br />hain.Hai koe or jis ne Halate rooko mein zakat diya ho. <br /><br /><br />Hum tou Ali kay ishq mein insaan ban gaye<br /><br />Jesay kay Qambar-o-Meesam-o-Salman ban gaye<br /><br />Yeh bugz-e-Ali jis ko virasat mein mila hey<br /><br />Insaan kiya banay woh abu-sufiyaan ban gaye<br /><br />Kuch log tou aisay thay Rasool-e-Khuda kay sath<br /><br />Peyda huway kafir aur musalman ban gaye<br /><br />Ab bhi Husainiyat ki hey dushman yazeediyat<br /><br />Chehra badal liya aur Taliban ban gaye <br /><br /><br />Karun ga baat adab ki hudood kay undar<br /><br />Kay Deen band hey jesay Durood kay undar<br /><br />Ali kay naam kay naray wohi lagatay hain<br /><br />Halaali khoon hey jis kay wajood kay undar<br />
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With due respect sister.

Muharam is far away so please keep these Noha for Muharam.........Black dress is forbidden............

Amir-ul-mu

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وَ اِذِ ابۡتَلٰۤی اِبۡرٰہٖمَ رَبُّہٗ بِکَلِمٰتٍ فَاَتَمَّہُنَّ ؕ قَالَ اِنِّیۡ جَاعِلُکَ لِلنَّاسِ اِمَامًا ؕ قَالَ وَ مِنۡ ذُرِّیَّتِیۡ ؕ قَالَ لَا یَنَالُ عَہۡدِی الظّٰلِمِیۡنَ ﴿۱۲۴﴾

اور جب آزمایا ابراہیم کو اسکے رب نے کئ باتوں میں [۱۷۷] پھر اسنے وہ پوری کیں تب فرمایا میں تجھ کو کروں گا سب لوگوں کا پیشوا [۱۷۸] بولا اور میری اولاد میں سے بھی فرمایا نہیں پہنچے گا میرا قرار ظالموں کو [۱۷۹]

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ye quran ki wo ayet ha jis se saf sabit ha k hazrat ibrahim ko imamat di gayi or unhon ne use apni olad me bhi manga kiun k nabi to wo pehle se the lakin Allah ne inam me unhe imamat di or imamat inam ha waqti zimedari nahi jo khatam ho jai gi jese naboowat o risalat jub us ki zaroorat na rahi to us ko khatam ker diya gaya imamat inam ha is liyea wo jub tuk jari rahe gi jub tuk olad e ibrahim me ibrahim a.s jesa koi ik bhi wali mojood rahe ga jaiea or dekhiea or dhoondiea k waqtan fawaqtan kon kon se imam aye or agar ap log nahi bata sakte ya nahi sabit ker sakte to phir is ka matlab ha k ap log is ayet ko jhutla rahe han or ye sabit kerna chah rahe han k Allah ka wada jhoota tha ya ye k nabi ki dua poori nahi hoi or agar nabi ki dua poori hoi ha to phir aj ke waqt ka imam kon ha kiun k ibrahim a.s ki olad agar mojood ha to imam ka hona bhi lazim ha or jaiea or dhoondiea us imam ko kiun k jis ne waqt ke imam ko na jana wo haram mot mara

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Shiao se sirf ek ayat Quran ki chahiay jo yeh proof kr skre k imamat Quran se sabit he!!

Ye video jawab nahi, sirf information ke liye hai:

قرآن اور عقیدہ امامت

Episode 053-055

http://www.youtube.com/p/496E37C491204BB1

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Shia ki sub say pahli or sub sai kamzoor daleel ye hay . jis say woh apni 12 immmamun ki imamat sabit kardaitay hain or hamain pta bhi nahi chalta hum dhondtay rah jatay hain LOL!!!!

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ وَأُولِي الْأَمْرِ مِنكُمْ سورة النساء 59

اے ایمان والو الله کی فرمانبرداری کرو اور رسول کی فرمانبرداری کرو اور ان لوگوں کی جو تم میں سے حاکم ہوں

Most sunnis who debate shias will often ask to prove imamat from quran without using any Ahadeeth or tafseer of quran. In closer inspection you only need 2 ayas of the holy quran to refute them:

1. O you who believe, obey Allah and obey His Messenger and those amongst you who are given supreme authority (by Allah). (4:59)

they will say this aya could be talking about , khalifa, scholar , Jihad commander etc (even though they need tafseer or hadeeth to back that up) but Quran tells them quite the opposite

2. Therefore wait patiently for the command of your Lord, and obey not from among them a sinner or an ungrateful one.76:24 (Quran)

So now its clear The quran says to follow those given supreme authority and they have to be masoom(sinless) those can only be the Imams(as) unless the sunnis say the khulafa,Ulema and others were sinless.

Ulil Amr kon hein, jawab hazir-e-khidmat hai:

قرآن ...سنت ...اُولِی الْاَمْرِ

Episode 010-011

http://www.youtube.com/p/8F732AFC22E24BF0

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