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Hazrat Fatima [ra] ki shahadat ya wafat ?

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Etne Jalde Kun Bhaga Daatao Ho Un Shia Ko Thore Daar Tou Ruknay Deya Karo KHANZ Etna Bol Raha Thaa Ub Pata Nahe Kahan Chala Gaya Mary Khayl Ma CAVE Ma Gaya Ho Gaa apny 12 Imam Kay Pass :)

Bhai bhagna to in ki aadat he , waha se bhi bhagay tay, yaha se bhi bhagay gay, pata nahi kaha kaha se bhagay gay.

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Bhai jaisa k yahan per kuch members aap ko jhooti tasalian de rahay hain k yeh sab jhoot hai aisa koi waqiya hua hi nahi,iss k liye phir mein aap ko ahl sunnah ki books k scan pages dikhata hoon jis mein yeh waqiya mojood hai...

http://referencelibarary.webs.com/apps/photos/album?albumid=7125371

http://referencelibarary.webs.com/apps/photos/album?albumid=6826845

Aur ab mein aap ko woh pages dikhaon ga jis mein likha hai k hazrat abu bakar ne aakhri waqt mein kaha k kash mein Hazrat Fatima a.s k ghar ka darwaza tornay ki ijazat na deta khua woh jang k liye hi kun na bund kiya hota...

http://referencelibarary.webs.com/apps/photos/album?albumid=7912387

Yeh loag kitni books ko jhoota kahein ge ?? aur kon kon se riwayat ko ghalat kahein ge ??

khanz ne jo hawalat ap ki books se diyea han un ke bare me bhi to kuch arz karen wese tahir ul qadri sahab se jo bongiyan mari han wo bhi laiq e tabasaum ha kabhi fursat se un ki ik ik daleel ka jawab doon gi

lakin ahle sunnat ki kitabon se wo jo references yahan diyea ja chuke han un ke jawab ke hum muntazir han pehle ap apni taraf ane wale daway ko clear kero phir hum pe jhoote ilzam laghana

Is baat ko rehnay do ke Tahir-ul-Qadri ne is ka radd kia hai aur ye ke aaj ham Tahir-ul-Qadri ki is video ko bator hujjat kiun paish kar rahay hain. Ap log chahay jo kehtay phiro k mushkil waqt main gahdhay ko bhi baap banana parta hai, is se hamain koi sarokar nahi. Ap chahay jalo ya kurro, magar is topic per Tahir-ul-Qadri ne jo baat ki hai, 100% durust ki hai, agar us ka ye radd ghalat sabit kar do to jo kaho qabul hai.

Aur ye bhi bata dain k ye Tahir-ul-Qadri ki koi khaas Heroism nahi hai, Alhamdulillah hamaray Ahle Sunnat Ulama arsay se apni kitabon main in baton ka raad kartay chalay aa rahay hain. Aur Tahir-ul-Qadri ke paas chun-ke Video Presentation setup tha, is liye us ne Ahle Sunnat Ulama ki tamam tehqeeq ko aik jaga jama kar ke isko TV Camera per aa k bata dia. Warna Ahle Sunnat Ulama ki in mozuaat per bayshumar kitabain mojoud hain. Namunay ke tor per chand aik ye hain:

TOHFA ITHNA ASHRIA

AZALATU KHAFA

AJOBA ARBAEEN

TOHFA IMAMIA

SAIF-E-ISLAM

ROHAMA BAYNAHUM

AL SHIA WAL TASHEE

IRSHAD USH SHIA

HIDAYAT USH SHIA

and many more etc...

Shia, aam sada loh Musalmanon ko to dhoka de sakte hain jo tehqeeq nahi katre ya jin k paas ilmi mawad nahi hota, magar Alhamdulillah, HCY Forum ke Members ya Mods ko nahi jin ka din raat waqt tehqeeq main guzarta hai, Allah isay qabool farmaye Ameen.

Ab atay hain mister "Khanz" k hawalon ki taraf. "Khanz" ne bator hawala kuch kitabon ka zikr kia hai aur us ke scans ka link dia hai. Bator daleel us ne 3 kitabon ka hawala dia hai:

1. Muruj-uz-Zahb by Mas'udi

Jawab: Mas'udi Shia Rafzi hai; woh Ahle Sunnat nahi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqGPu4Hl1yY

2. Al Milal Wal Nehl by Allama Shehristani

Jawab: Allama Shehristani ne is kitab mai Mu'tazila ke firqay Al Nazzamiyyah ko bayan kartay huay un ke batil aqaid ke tazkaray mai is waqiya ko zikr kia hai ke Al Nazzamiyyah firqay ka aqeedah aisa tha; jo Shia Rafzion ne Allama Shehristani per ilzam laga dia ke un ki kitab mai bhi ye waqiya aya hai.

3. Al Wafi Bil Wafayat by Allama Safadi

Jawab: Allama Safadi ne bhi is kitab mai Mu'tazila ke firqay Al Nazzamiyyah ko bayan kartay huay un ke batil aqaid ke tazkaray mai is waqiya ko zikr kia hai.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORdVQ8dPJ3A

4. Al Imamah Wal Siyasah by Ibn-e-Qaitaibah

Jawab: Ibn-e-Qaitaibah ne Al Imamah Wal Siyasah ke naam se koi kitab nahi likhi; kisi Shia Rafzi ne isay likh kar us ko Ibn-e-Qaitaibah ki taraf mansoob kar dia. Fehrist aur Rijaal ke Ulama ne aaj tak is kitab ko Ibn-e-Qaitaibah ki kutub mai shumar nahi kia balkay tehqeeq ke baad is kitab ko Ibn-e-Qaitaibah ki taraf jhoot mansoob karna shumar kia hai.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzk5na-5geE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3SlYPCNxoI

5. Al Farooq by Allama Shibli Naumani

Ref: http://referencelibarary.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=54257862

Jawab: Is kitab ke page# 66 ki line# 19 is ka jawab hai, agar riwayat ka koi saboot hi na ho to dirayat ki kia haisiat reh jati hai.

6. Mizan-ul-Aitedal by Allama Zahbi

7. Lisan-ul-Mizan by Ibn-e-Hajr Isqalani

Jawab: Is main darj waqiye ki riwayat ke kuch raavion ka haal ye hai:

Alwaan bin Daud Al Bajli - is ko Allama Zahbi ne, Ibn-e-Hajr Isqalani ne, Allama Uqaili ne, aur Imam Bukhari ne Munkir-e-Hadith sabit kia hai aur is ke Munkir-e-Hadith honay ke namunay ke tor per is kism ki riwayat ko bator daleel paish kia hai. Yehi raavi Alwaan bin Daud Al Bajli hi hai jis ne Hazrat Abu-Bakr Siddiq [R.A] per ye jhooti riwayat banai ke unhein apni wafat ke waqt is waqiye ka afsoos tha :tongue: . Isay bhi Allama Zahbi ne is raavi ke Munkir-e-Hadith honay ke namunay ke tor per bator daleel paish kia. Yehi baat Allama Haithami ne bhi bayan ki hai.

Abul Qasim Nasr bin Ahmad As-Susi - is ko Ibn-e-Asakir, Allama Zahbi aur Ibn-e-Hajr Isqalani ne Ghair-Siqah, Na-Qabil-e-Aitebar aur Munkir-e-Hadith qarar dia hai.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xO98aY22gE

Ji janab "Khanz" aur "huma2", ab ap ki kia raye hai ???

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Shia hazrat kehtey hain k Haaazret Fatima r.a ko Hazret Umer r.a ne shaheed kia tha iss main kitni haqeeqet ha or kitna jhoot ha plz prove wid Refrences

Bhai jaisa k yahan per kuch members aap ko jhooti tasalian de rahay hain k yeh sab jhoot hai aisa koi waqiya hua hi nahi,iss k liye phir mein aap ko ahl sunnah ki books k scan pages dikhata hoon jis mein yeh waqiya mojood hai...

http://referenceliba...albumid=7125371

http://referenceliba...albumid=6826845

Aur ab mein aap ko woh pages dikhaon ga jis mein likha hai k hazrat abu bakar ne aakhri waqt mein kaha k kash mein Hazrat Fatima a.s k ghar ka darwaza tornay ki ijazat na deta khua woh jang k liye hi kun na bund kiya hota...

http://referenceliba...albumid=7912387

Yeh loag kitni books ko jhoota kahein ge ?? aur kon kon se riwayat ko ghalat kahein ge ??

tUMARI HI kATIBION SAAY THUMARAY JOHATAY DHAWION KA JAWAB.................Molahaz ho.....wacko.gif

http://islamic-forum...showtopic=12792

wah wah deobundi tahir ul qadri pe kub se iman le ai kia ye references kisi deobundi alim ne apni taqreer me ya kitab me nahi likhe the jo ap ko dar e qadri pe jana par gaya lolzzzzzzz

Jais Din wo Shiaon ko choor gaaybiggrin.gif

Wasiay bhara Saheeh nasany maray hain Qadri Sahab naay....Yaahan London maay Shia Sambal nahi paa rahay......Pakistan maay tho Qadri Sahab naay Shian ko Bahria Arab maay daboh diya haay.........tongue.gif

Phelay tho Shia bi Qadri sahab ki barhi Tarafian kiaya karthay thaay.....Abb Bathay Qadri Sahab ka baray maay kia Raay Haay?unsure.gif

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By Khanz.....

Aray janab aap loagon ne kab se tahir ul qadri ko maanana shuru ker diya ?? aap ko aik muhawara sunata hoon Zaroorat K Waqt Gadhay Ko Bhi Baap Bunana Aaaj aap ne iss muhawara ko sach sabit ker diya kiun k kal tak aap iss ko tahir ul padri kehtay thay aur kafir kehtay thay aur aaj uss per hi yaqeen ker rahay hain aur dosri baat tahir ul qadri shia nahi hai jo aap mujhay uss ki baat bata rahay hain aur dosri baat kiya aap ne iss ki woh video,s sunein jo woh majlis mein baatein kerta hai ?? Agar aap woh sun lein to aap hairat se foar hi ho jaein Aur janab aap ne meray quote kiye huay ref. ka jawab nahi diya,fatwa hi de do k yeh sab jhoot h

Taqqiya Mazabi Zaroorat wo bhi sirf o sirf Johat/Munafiqat bhot buri bhaat

Tahir ul Qadri naay Shiaon ki Saheeh class li haay......Owlo naay bano ka ainkian baand karlo,Video sonoo aur appnay Shiayat ka janaza utao.unsure.gif

thuram references saway Johat dhokay dahi ka sawa kuch nahi jo kaay tumhara Mzab haay yani kaa Taqqiya......tongue.gif

Zaroorat K Waqt Gadhay Ko Bhi Baap Bunana ,,,,Zarorat ka waqat yani kuch lamhion ka liya ......Tum Logo naay tho Qadri ko paka/saka baap bin liya tha............................Kiasaaay?????Matam kar lo aur khob zuor saay

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Jais Din wo Shiaon ko choor gaaybiggrin.gif

Wasiay bhara Saheeh nasany maray hain Qadri Sahab naay....Yaahan London maay Shia Sambal nahi paa rahay......Pakistan maay tho Qadri Sahab naay Shian ko Bahria Arab maay daboh diya haay.........tongue.gif

Phelay tho Shia bi Qadri sahab ki barhi Tarafian kiaya karthay thaay.....Abb Bathay Qadri Sahab ka baray maay kia Raay Haay?unsure.gif

Shia ab jaan churane ke liye bohat araam se usko NUSERI keh dain ge :cool:

Watch this: :tongue::cool::laugh: specially from 00:56 onwards...

Shia Scholars Call Dr Tahir ul Qadri a Munafiq LIVE ON TV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP_5tY03KEk

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Brother many more to come......Tahir ul Qadri has crushed and dragged Shiaism to stone age.........Qadri Divorced Shias from Islam..............wink.gif

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@jhangvi you are right k ulma ne ye riwayat jo tahir ul qadri ne apni video me di he bht pehley bayan ker di hen.. but i think this tahir ul qadri speach has a huge impact on shia because wo tahil ul qadri ki bat per buhat yaqeen rakhtey they.. thats y....jis bandey se ap payar kertey ho jab wo hi aina dikhata he tab buhat mirche lagti hyen...or uska aser bhi buhat hota he.....

and thanks for the answering

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@jhangvi you are right k ulma ne ye riwayat jo tahir ul qadri ne apni video me di he bht pehley bayan ker di hen.. but i think this tahir ul qadri speach has a huge impact on shia because wo tahil ul qadri ki bat per buhat yaqeen rakhtey they.. thats y....jis bandey se ap payar kertey ho jab wo hi aina dikhata he tab buhat mirche lagti hyen...or uska aser bhi buhat hota he.....

and thanks for the answering

:tongue:

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Jais Din wo Shiaon ko choor gaaybiggrin.gif

Wasiay bhara Saheeh nasany maray hain Qadri Sahab naay....Yaahan London maay Shia Sambal nahi paa rahay......Pakistan maay tho Qadri Sahab naay Shian ko Bahria Arab maay daboh diya haay.........tongue.gif

Phelay tho Shia bi Qadri sahab ki barhi Tarafian kiaya karthay thaay.....Abb Bathay Qadri Sahab ka baray maay kia Raay Haay?unsure.gif

Shia ab jaan churane ke liye bohat araam se usko NUSERI keh dain ge :cool:

Watch this: :tongue::cool::laugh: specially from 00:56 onwards...

Shia Scholars Call Dr Tahir ul Qadri a Munafiq LIVE ON TV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP_5tY03KEk

27-MashaAllah.png Jhangvi Sahib Charoo Khany Cheet Ub Jawab Aap Dekhna... Shia Sirf Wo Kuch Hee Read Karty Han Jes Ma Un Kay Matlab Kee Baat Ho Bas Kes Na Lekhe Kab Lekhe .. Shia Thaa Ya Suni Thaa Ya Unko Fark Nahe Parhta ... Hum Ahly Sunat Ke Adat Ha Pahhly Quran. Pir Tafseer. Pir Hadit.Pir shia Books ...

Ya Loug Apne Books Bhee Nahe Parhtay Unko Matlab Ha Jo Bhee 17-RAAnhum.png Ko Bura Kahy Ga Woo Hee Theek Ha ....

Mary Khayl Saa Ub Ma Cave Ma Bhee Jaga Nahe Melay Ga Dakho Ub Kahan Bhagtay Han..

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27-MashaAllah.png Jhangvi Sahib Charoo Khany Cheet Ub Jawab Aap Dekhna... Shia Sirf Wo Kuch Hee Read Karty Han Jes Ma Un Kay Matlab Kee Baat Ho Bas Kes Na Lekhe Kab Lekhe .. Shia Thaa Ya Suni Thaa Ya Unko Fark Nahe Parhta ... Hum Ahly Sunat Ke Adat Ha Pahhly Quran. Pir Tafseer. Pir Hadit.Pir shia Books ...

Ya Loug Apne Books Bhee Nahe Parhtay Unko Matlab Ha Jo Bhee 17-RAAnhum.png Ko Bura Kahy Ga Woo Hee Theek Ha ....

Mary Khayl Saa Ub Ma Cave Ma Bhee Jaga Nahe Melay Ga Dakho Ub Kahan Bhagtay Han..

:cool:

deer bhai, Shia ab bhagain bhi to kahan bhagain??? :tongue:

is bar to band-gali mai phainka hai unko :laugh:

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janab hum pehle bhi tahir ul qadri ko sahi nahi samjhte the or ab bhi nahi samjhte ,wo is liyea kiun k hum us shaks ko sahi nahi samjhte jo haq or batil ko sath sath khara ker de bulke wahi insan sahi ha jo haq or batil ko amne samne khara kare ,kiun k haq or batil kabhi ik sath nahi ho sakte hamesha amne samne hi rahte han

ALLAH swt ki madad kiske saath hoti hai? haq ke saath ya baatil ke saath????? agar aapke mutabiq sirf chand sahaba(ra) ke alawa murtad hogaye the....tou ALLAH SWT ne unki madad kyon ki? jaao aur zara authentic history parh lo....pariyon ki kahaniyan mat suna kijiye......read ibne katheer history..

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27-MashaAllah.png Jhangvi Sahib Charoo Khany Cheet Ub Jawab Aap Dekhna... Shia Sirf Wo Kuch Hee Read Karty Han Jes Ma Un Kay Matlab Kee Baat Ho Bas Kes Na Lekhe Kab Lekhe .. Shia Thaa Ya Suni Thaa Ya Unko Fark Nahe Parhta ... Hum Ahly Sunat Ke Adat Ha Pahhly Quran. Pir Tafseer. Pir Hadit.Pir shia Books ...

Ya Loug Apne Books Bhee Nahe Parhtay Unko Matlab Ha Jo Bhee 17-RAAnhum.png Ko Bura Kahy Ga Woo Hee Theek Ha ....

Mary Khayl Saa Ub Ma Cave Ma Bhee Jaga Nahe Melay Ga Dakho Ub Kahan Bhagtay Han..

:Wassalam:

deer bhai, Shia ab bhagain bhi to kahan bhagain??? :InshaAllah:

is bar to band-gali mai phainka hai unko :JazakAllah:

Jhangvi Bhai Aap Ka Name Hee Etna Khatranak Ha Kay Aagya Dewar Hee Aa sakte Ha Rasty Tou Kab Kay Shaheed Jhangvi Na Pahlly Hee Baand Kar deya Thaa.....Bhai Aap Loug ... Ruknay Tou Deya Karo En Shiyatin Ohh Matlab Shiyaon kosmile.gif

Pahlly Hazrat Umar 17-RAAnhum.png Ko Dekh Kar Shatan Apna Rasta Badal Leya Karta Thaa...

Ya Hadit Muhammad e Mustufa(03-SAWW.png Ke Ha ...

Pir Shaheed Jhangvi Ko Dakh Kar Ya Shia Rasta Badal Laty Thaa..

Or Ub Es Froum Ma Aa kar En Ka Rasta Hee Baand Kar Deya 24-JazakAllah.png

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Mein 2/3 din online nahi aaya to mein samajh raha tha k yahan k fazil o aalim meray diye huay scan pages per baat ker rahay hon ge lakin aaj dekh ker hairat hui k kisi ne unn pages per baat kernay ki jurrat hi nahi ki aur kal tak jisay tahir ul padri kehtay thay aaj ussay shabash de rahay hain....kher janab itna uchalna to aap ko tab chahiye tha k tahir ul qadri shia hota aur yeh baat kerta magar woh sunni tha na k shia k humaray liye uss ki koi baat ahmiat rakhti ho...kher agar kabhi tahir ul qadri k pallu se moan nikalnay ki jurrat ho aap loagon ko to pls unn scan pages per bhi baat ker lijiye ga specially jhangvi sahab... :Muhammad[S.A.W.W]:

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Mein 2/3 din online nahi aaya to mein samajh raha tha k yahan k fazil o aalim meray diye huay scan pages per baat ker rahay hon ge lakin aaj dekh ker hairat hui k kisi ne unn pages per baat kernay ki jurrat hi nahi ki aur kal tak jisay tahir ul padri kehtay thay aaj ussay shabash de rahay hain....kher janab itna uchalna to aap ko tab chahiye tha k tahir ul qadri shia hota aur yeh baat kerta magar woh sunni tha na k shia k humaray liye uss ki koi baat ahmiat rakhti ho...kher agar kabhi tahir ul qadri k pallu se moan nikalnay ki jurrat ho aap loagon ko to pls unn scan pages per bhi baat ker lijiye ga specially jhangvi sahab... :Muhammad[S.A.W.W]:

Pahlly Es Baat Ka Jawab Tou Do Job Books Tahir Ul Qadri Na Cod Ke Han Wo Aap Ke Han Ya Nahe ????????????????Yes Or No

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Mein 2/3 din online nahi aaya to mein samajh raha tha k yahan k fazil o aalim meray diye huay scan pages per baat ker rahay hon ge lakin aaj dekh ker hairat hui k kisi ne unn pages per baat kernay ki jurrat hi nahi ki aur kal tak jisay tahir ul padri kehtay thay aaj ussay shabash de rahay hain....kher janab itna uchalna to aap ko tab chahiye tha k tahir ul qadri shia hota aur yeh baat kerta magar woh sunni tha na k shia k humaray liye uss ki koi baat ahmiat rakhti ho...kher agar kabhi tahir ul qadri k pallu se moan nikalnay ki jurrat ho aap loagon ko to pls unn scan pages per bhi baat ker lijiye ga specially jhangvi sahab... :Muhammad[S.A.W.W]:

nikamey tum ne jawab dekhey hen apni sacns k asal me tumko khud nahi pata k un scans pages me kia likha tha tahir ul qadri sb ne un sab ka jawab tumharey mu per mara he....or jab tahir ul qadri sb ghadeer khum ki hadees bayan kertey hen tab tum un ka pao chattey ho or jab unho ne tum ko aina dikhaya tu jalan hori he wah g wah.....beta pehle ja ker apne scans ja ker perho phir bat kerna.....hum tu samjhey they k tum apney scans k detail maloom kerney gaye hoo.....

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