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Ibnu Sirin believed al-Mahdi is better than Abu Bakar r.a and Umar r.a?

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Assalamualaikum, shia use the narration below




[b] حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو أُسَامَةَ عَنْ عَوْفٍ عَنْ مُحَمَّدٍ قَالَ يَكُونُ فِي هَذِهِ الأُمَّةِ خَلِيفَةٌ لاَ يُفَضَّلُ عَلَيْهِ أَبُو بَكْرٍ وَلاَ عُمَرُ[/b]
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[i]Rough translation: Narrated to us Abu Usamah from ‘Auf from Muhammad that he said “[Al Mahdi] is the Khalifah for this ummah, he cannot be matched by Abu Bakar and Umar [b][Al Mushannaf Ibnu Abi Syaibah 15/198 no 38805][/b][/i][/size][/font][/color][color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Georgia, sans-serif][size=3]
Shia said the narration is authenthic[/size][/font][/color][color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Georgia, sans-serif][size=3]
What is your opinion?[/size][/font][/color]
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The chain seems fine.

Al-Suyuti explains this narration to refer to the amount of [i]ajr[/i] that one gets for one's actions during the late times of [i]fitan[/i]. As you are aware, this includes Al-Dajjal. He also bases his reasoning on a narration that states that people during those later times receive multiples upon multiples of [i]ajr[/i] for their actions.
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[font=Book Antiqua]On other note, there is another narration that is mentioned in the Musanaf of Abu Shayba from – supposingly – Ibn Sireen: يكون في هذه الأمة خليفة لا يفضل عليه أبو بكر و لا عمر[/font]
[font=Book Antiqua]It is weak due to its discontinous chain of narrator and was transmitted through a thiqa but was shiaa!![/quote][/font]

Since when did pro-Mahdi hadiths in Sunni hadith become Imami related?
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Subhanallah such a munkar matn, even the reasoning is flawed.
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[i]Rough translation: Narrated to us Abu Usamah from ‘Auf from Muhammad that he said “[Al Mahdi] is the Khalifah for this ummah, he cannot be matched by Abu Bakar and Umar [b][Al Mushannaf Ibnu Abi Syaibah 15/198 no 38805].[/b][/i][/quote]


[size=3]So Al-Mahdi is the Khalifa of the Ummah, hence he cannot be matched by the Shaytkhayn? red-hot new: The Shaykhayn were the Khulafa' of this Ummah TOO![/size]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, Georgia, sans-serif][color=#333333][size=3]But there is a lesson for us to learn: Rafidah are ready to throw the Qur'an over board, just for the sake of giving victory to their Zandaqah religion and belief in their 12th demigods:[/size][/color][/font]

[b]They are ready to throw the Qur'an (the MAIN THAQL) over board (the very Qur'an that CLEARLY states that ALL the Prophet's have been favoured by Allah over ALL Mankind!)! Instead of throwing any narration against the wall that opposes the Qur'an (so called Rafidi principle) we see them (as usual) doing the exact opposite.[/b]
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Brother Ayman bin khaled was spot on......
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If he said that, good for him.
I believe personally that the Caliphate of Imam Abu Bakr siddiq, Imam Umar ibn al Khattab r.a, Imam Uthman ibn Affan r.a and Imam Ali ibn abi talib r.a were better than the caliphate of Imam Mahdi because of the following reasons:
1) they believed in the messenger of Allah swt when his tribe fought him
2) they made jihad against the polytheists
3) After the messenger of Allah pbuh died, they didnt leave the religion but spread it to else where, fought the persian polytheists and christian polytheists.


Tell me again what Imam Mahdi will do that is bigger than those?????
And if Sirin says Mahdi was better than them for the fact of fitnah and dajjal, then he should also say Isa pbuh is better than prophet Muhammad pbuh! Subhanallah
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I'd also like to add that there is an issue with the translation of the narration.

It says:




[b]حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو أُسَامَةَ عَنْ عَوْفٍ عَنْ مُحَمَّدٍ قَالَ يَكُونُ فِي هَذِهِ الأُمَّةِ خَلِيفَةٌ لاَ يُفَضَّلُ عَلَيْهِ أَبُو بَكْرٍ وَلاَ عُمَرُ[/b]

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Georgia, sans-serif][size=3][i]Rough translation: Narrated to us Abu Usamah from ‘Auf from Muhammad that he said “[Al Mahdi] is the Khalifah for this ummah, he cannot be matched by Abu Bakar and Umar [b][Al Mushannaf Ibnu Abi Syaibah 15/198 no 38805][/b][/i][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Georgia, sans-serif][size=3]It should be:[/size][/font][/color][color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, Georgia, sans-serif][size=3] In this Ummah will be a caliph and Abu Bakr and Omar will not be preferred over him. [/size][/font][/color]

I say (Farid): This doesn't necessarily mean that this is Ibn Sireen's view, but rather, that he believes that people will feel this way about this caliph. Edited by Farid
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Hey it's a point of view so what's the deal lol.

This same ibn Sireen believed that most of the narrations the people of Kufa attributed to `Ali (ra) are lies....
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[quote name='Hani' timestamp='1359660138' post='130726']
Hey it's a point of view so what's the deal lol.

This same ibn Sireen believed that most of the narrations the people of Kufa attributed to `Ali (ra) are lies....
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Assalamu Aleykum Hani,

Could you bring his belief about narrations from people of kufa please ? barak Allah feek
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Wallahi this is a major problem when you deal with the Rawafidh, their scholars and 'Awaam alike. They tell you Ibn Abbas hold on the validity of Nikah Al-Mut'a (even after it's abrogation), they tell you so-and-so Sahabi did this and so and so scholar said that ... They forgot that we are not the Shias and followers of the Sahaba (in every matter, especially in matters where their Ijtihad opposes clear-cut Nass/text), let alone of Ibn Sireen! Maybe Rafidha take their Deen from Ibn Sireen (Taqleed wise), we don't, especially not if man of much more weight stated the opposite (Ali, Ibn Omar etc. who all stated that Abu Bakr and Omar are the best of THIS UMMAH, the last Ummah until Qiyamah).
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