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Hazret Ameer Maviya (RTA) few questions abt him

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Asalam O Alikum .

i would like to ask few questions regarding Hazrat Ameer Maviya (RS)

1) Was he really a Kaatib e Wahi?

2) Did he really helped Yazeed to gain the Caliphate?

3) Did Hazret Ameer Maviya image020.gif really cursed and issue the orders of killing any muslims?

4) Why Shia muslims call him (Asfriru`ALLAH) Kaafir and biggest enemy of islam?

5) What was his biggest achivements during his Caliphate time?

6) What was his basic dispute with Hazret ALI (RS) and who the winner of the war?

7) Did Hazret Hassan image020.gif did Bait to Hazret Ameer Maviya image020.gif?

8)Did Yazeed really killed Hazret Hussein image020.gif and torture the family of Nabi e Kareem (PBH)?

9)Was Hazret Amer Maviya image020.gif right or wrong in asking quick qasas to Hazret ALI image020.gif?

10) What kind of a relationships Hazret Ameer Maviya image020.gif and Nabi e Kareem (PBH)?

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esp Q # 2

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You say you are Shia, yet say "Hazrat" in front of his name.

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i m on sunni.......cutter sunni site, i dont want to be banned......

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1) Was he really a Kaatib e Wahi?

Yes please look in sahih muslim I believe it can be found. AUTHENTIC narration

2) Did he really helped Yazeed to gain the Caliphate?

Yes Muawiyah radiallahu anhu was the FIRST king in islam and he made his son his sucessor.

3) Did Hazret Ameer Maviya really cursed and issue the orders of killing any muslims?

As far as him cursing Ali radiallahu anhu there is no authentic narration pointing to this.

4) Why Shia muslims call him (Asfriru`ALLAH) Kaafir and biggest enemy of islam?

Shia call many muslims to be disbelievers. If Muawiyah was a kaffir then it would have been haram for HASAN radiallahu anhu to GIVE the caliphate to muawiyah.

5) What was his biggest achivements during his Caliphate time?

He was a great leader and GREAT military leader mashAllah.. and he followed the sunnah and its clear he believed in Allah and in the nabi salalahu alayhi wa salam.

6) What was his basic dispute with Hazret ALI (RS) and who the winner of the war?

Muawiyah came out to get the killers of uthman radiallahu anhu. Ali did not want this for first he wanted a stable STATE. But Muawiyah found it better to get the killers first and its recorded that he told Ali that he would obey Ali if Ali would hand over the killers. This was his itjihad and surely his itjihad as most scholars say was wrong but he still gets one reward. The majority of scholars says Ali was right.

7) Did Hazret Hassan did Bait to Hazret Ameer Maviya ?

Yes he was the one who handed over caliphate. it would be IGNORANT to say Hasan gave caliphate to a kaffir.

8)Did Yazeed really killed Hazret Hussein and torture the family of Nabi e Kareem (PBH)?

Well according to the authentic narrations Yazeed sent an army to stop the revolution and did not wish for the death of hussein. The head of hussein radiallahu anhu was brought to Yazeed and he was disgusted and showed his disaproval for more information please see Ibnul jawzee al hanbali book (Talbees iblees)

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2) Did he really helped Yazeed to gain the Caliphate?

Yes Muawiyah radiallahu anhu was the FIRST king in islam and he made his son his sucessor.

Was this a good decision?

Salafi.no let me reply:

n give the truth:

2. Yes.

3. Yes, including banu hashim and especially the immediate family of imam ali.

4. because he sought to destroy islam.

5. opposing islam

6. he was jealous and wanted to destroy imam ali and islam. obviously imam ali retained teh caliphate, so he won.

7. no. never.

8. yes.

9. wrong. he was using it as a political ploy to gain power

10. the Prophet never trusted Muawiya, and made direct statemenst as such. He also made direct statements to never follow Bani Umayya.

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Yes, it was sunnah of your imam Hz.Ali[ra] that he followed, who appointed his son Hz. Hassan[ra] as his successor.

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Destroy islam? Thats odd wonder why so many people accepted islam during his rule.

when the adhan would be called he would listen and repeat and when the oneness of Allah was mentioned He would say indeed and when the nabi salalahu alayhi wa salam was mentioned he would say Indeed he was (messenger of Allah)

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This should kill the Shia argument:

Distrusting his Shia, Hasan (ra) made peace with Muawiyya and gave him the Caliphate. His Shia protested at this, and Hasan's reply is preserved in the most important of the Shia books of Hadith, Al-Kafi:

"By Allah, I handed over power to him for no reason other than the fact that I could not find any supporters. Had I found supporters I would have fought him day and night until Allah decides between us. But I know the people of Kufa. I have experience of them. The bad ones of them are no good to me. They have no loyalty, nor any integrity in word or deed. They are in disagreement. They claim that their hearts are with us, but their swords are drawn against us."

[al-Kulayn

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Raised for further benefits to viewers jazakAllah khairan akhee

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Yes, it was sunnah of your imam Hz.Ali[ra] that he followed, who appointed his son Hz. Hassan[ra] as his successor.

Ohhhhhhh So Hz Ali image019.gif n Moawiya are alike......Astaghfourallah.....

n Imam Hasan image019.gif n Yazid.....r alike............Astaghfourallah

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and lots of

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Yes so i think husayns sister now has her turn on the computer. Once again no evidence is brought and they do nothing but spam the board. If only they could contact their rabbis that perhaps the threads would be filled with better discussions.

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hahaha

1) Was he really a Kaatib e Wahi?

no he wrote some letters not Quran

infact he desecrated the quran in suffin one of his many "firsts " in Islam

2) Did he really helped Yazeed to gain the Caliphate?

he killed abdurrehman ibn khalid son of general khalid ibn walid to secure his succession

abdulreham ibn abubakr is on record saying that muawiyah tried to bribe him to secure yazid's place

3) Did Ameer Maviya really cursed and issue the orders of killing any muslims?

oh yeah read my signature words of a companion of the prophet who refused to curse Ali and was killed by muawiyah

4) Why Shia muslims call him Kaafir and biggest enemy of islam?

question is why dont sunnis hate him?

sunnis claim to love all sahaba .....right?

muawiyah is the killer of following sahaba

1-Amr ibn Hamiq

2-hashim ibn utbah

3-khuezymema ibn thabit

4-Ammar yasir

5-hujr ibn adi and his six tabaeen

all the above five were sahaba of rasulallah

6-uwais qurni(devottee of rasulallah)

and many more .......how can you respect a man who kills the sahaba?

5) What was his biggest achivements during his Caliphate time?

purely worldly perspective conquest of cyprus

6) What was his basic dispute with Hazret ALI (RS) and who the winner of the war?

"hand over killers of uthman" was the argument

while the biggest killer amr ibn as was leading muawiyah's army

who won? question is who won what?

muawiyah won the KINGSHP he desired true

Ali WON the martyrdom he sought, and the love and admiration of millions of followers in every generation since

regardibg battle of siffin

it was a draw syrians losing ~40,000 and Iraqis ~25,000

7) Did Hazret Hassan did Bait to Hazret Ameer Maviya ?

yes but under certain conditions ......search in www.[not allowed]

9)Was Amer Maviya right or wrong in asking quick qasas to Hazret ALI ?

Should I dignify this with a reply?....... you think Ali(as) and Ammar(ra) were wrong and a Taliq like muawiyah was right

I swear if even umar ibn khattab had been alive in siffin he would have helped Ali

and umar never had much of an opinion about his son abdullah whom he said " couldnt even divorce his wife"

10) What kind of a relationships Ameer Maviya and Nabi e Kareem (PBH)?

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suffice to say rasulallah said "if you see muawiyah on my pulpit kill him"

check this link and see the notes under abbad b.yaqub al-rawajini and abd al-razzaq al-sanani both of them are reliable narrators.

QUOTE

'Abbad b. Ya'qub al-Rawajini

(died 250 AH)

Sahih Bukhari [kitab al-tawhid]

Sahih al-Tirmidhi [kitab al-manaqib]

Sunan Ibn Majah [kitab ma ja' fi al-jana'iz]  He was a trustworthy Rafidi and his hadith is in (Sahih of) al-Bukhari.

[ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, under "'Abbad b. Ya'qub al-Rawajani"]

 Abu Hatim said: He was a shaykh, reliable. Ibn 'Adi said: He used to denounce the Salaf. In him was extremism of Shi'ism. Salih b. Muhammad said: He used to denounce 'Uthman. I heard him saying, "Allah is more just than that he would admit Talhah and al-Zubayr into heaven after they paid allegiance to 'Ali and then fought him." Ibn Hibban said: He was a Rafidi inviting (others to his belief). He narrated this hadith

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