Fatah-Momin

Is he a Muslim [Mirza]

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Who said we are looosing jihad i think you have closed your eyes, see Few Taliban in aFGistan and 44 nation army there.

See what Nato commandor recelty said to PResident of USA. "we are looosing War in Aftanistan".

Who said we are looosing jihad i think you have closed your eyes, see Few Taliban in aFGistan and 44 nation army there.

See what Nato commandor recelty said to PResident of USA. "we are looosing War in Aftanistan".

What do you know about Jehad ?

So called Jehad was faught against Soviet? All the arms and money came from USA !!! All the help from a Christian / jews came for Jehad ?

Can u tell me any Jeahd that Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) fought with the help of Non-Muslims ?

I have also seen when SOviet left and then Aghans started Jehad against each other. Now they are doing jehad against USA. When USA leave then they'll resume their so called Jehad against each other.

Jehad is result oriented. It does'nt last decades. It is the promise of the God that he'll give success (Fatah) when you faught Jehad.

There are other conditions when Jehad is compulsory. Do you know any of these conditions when Jehad is compulsory ?

Now your so called Jehad people are kiiling innocent Pakistanu Muslims, is this Jehad ? Then i think you should also do Jehad becuase Jehad is compulsory. If you dont go for this Jehad then it means either you are a coward or dont believe on what you say or dont believe on the teachings of Islam.

I want an answer from you when Jehad is compulsory and what other conditions are being mentioned in Holy Quran.

Now again u will run here and there.

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I have asked you many times but u cant answer. Give me any Quranic Verse acoording to which we are Non-Muslims ? (From Holy Quran)

Lets see now who runs away. Answer me.

Prove me that u belong to the sect that will be forgiven in the day of judgement. (From Holy Quran)

Lets see now who runs away. Answer me.

Prove to me that our beliefs are against the teaching of Islam. (From Holy Quran)

Lets see now who runs away. Answer me.

You said that we lost the battle in front of the whole world !!!

What happened on 1973 ??? Why the govt of Pakistan does not publish what was discussed in Assembly ??? Why any of the so called Ulema does'nt even said once that publish that report, rather they said that don't publish it.

Is there any example when the winner say's don't tell any one that how i have won ?????

Tell me any event when any of the Ulema said to publish that report !

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I am not running here and there nor we like fire on sky with bullent and without target. Rememebeer you already have lost the battle infornt of whole world.

answer above quote.

1. In the book "Jesus in India", according to Mirza Sahib, Hazrat Isa died in 120 AD.

This is also said by Hazrat Aisha (in one of her sayings).

2. In the book "Anjam-e-Atham", Mirza Sahib has clearly stated that the seeds of Trinity were not sown until 120 A.D.

Whats gron here ?

3. In the book "Anjam-e-Atham", Mirza Sahib has clearly said that St. Paul made Hazrat Isa God.

Its correct.

4. Paul died in 64 or 65 A.D. where as Hazrat Isa died in 120 A.D. Therefore Paul died at least 55 years before Hazrat Isa. (Jesus)

It is not the belief of Christians that Hazrat Eissa died ! They believed that Hazrat Eissa was taken alive in the Heaven (that Holy Quran contradicts on many verses that i have quoted to you but u still dont belive on it)

5. Since Paul must have given the doctrine of Trinity during his life time, this means the Hazrat Isa was made God at least 55 years before his own death. In other words, by 65 A.D. Hazrat Isa was made God/Son of God while he died 55 years later in 120

A.D.

It is true. What's wrong here ? Christains belived that Hazrat Eissa is being taken by GOD becuase they believed that Hazrat Eissa is the son of GOD. But Hazrat Eissa was saved by GOD and he left and survived crusification.

6. While he (Jesus) was alive in Kashmir, he was being worshipped as God in Palestine.

True.

7. Thus Mirza Sahib's commentary on the Holy Quran's verse 5:117 (Falamma Tawaffetenni) in his book "Anjam-e-Atham", that Christians made Hazrat Isa God after the death of Hazrat Isa in 120 A.D., becomes absolutely wrong.

This claim is not wrong if you undestand the meanings carefully. Here it is being said that Christains belived that Hazrat Eissa was take alive and they started worshipped him. They still do.

This is what Holy Quran says (solve the differences among you throught Holy Quran) and you are not intereseted to what this verse says !!!!

Actually Holy Quran does not support cruel and liers, that's why you cant find a single verse that supports you.

[2:213] Mankind were one community, then they differed among themselves, so Allah raised Prophets as bearers of good tidings and as warners, and sent down with them the Book containing the truth that He might judge between the people wherein they differed. But now they began to differ about the Book, and none differed about it except those to whom it was given, after clear Signs had come to them, out of envy towards one another. Now has Allah, by His command, guided the believers to the truth in regard to which they (the unbelievers) differed; and Allah guides whomsoever He pleases to the right path.

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Then what is the need for Hazrat Eissa to come back as a Nabi ?

And what is the need of Imam Mehdi ? Why they would come ?

Hello Shazad,

May Allah take you away from ignorance and misguidance to

the light of Islam, Amin!

What follows is a comprehensive over-view of your prophet's and his lovers' words. Please read the whole of what I have put here and then go and combe the books of your religion to see if what is been said is true or false. If you find any of to be incorrect then please say so else I pray that Allah guides you to the True Islam. Amin. (the images of the originals are attached to this reply)

Coming soon.....

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<br /><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fatah-Momin @ Aug 7 2009, 09:02 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=73142"></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Ahmedies/Qadyanies do not believe in khatmay nabouate. When Allah[swt] said He prefected the deen, after that there is no further need for any Nabi. That is the aya you do not believe in.</div><br /><br /><br />Then what is the need for Hazrat Eissa to come back as a Nabi ?<br />And what is the need of Imam Mehdi ? Why they would come ?<br />
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I want to add that in azala-e-oham,roohani khzain vol3,page 472,114, it is not written anywhere that prophets abused others. THIS IS A WHITE LIE.It is written on page 114 and 115

" Wo talkh alfaaz jo izhar-ehuq k liay zaruri hein aur apne sath saboot rakhte hein wo her aik mukhalif ko saaf saaf suna dena na sirf jaiz bulke wajbaat-e-waqt se hai............................Anhazrat SalAllaho aliahe wasallam ke waqt mein jis qadar mushrikeen ka keena tarqi ker gya tha uska asal baais wo sakht alfaaz hi thay jo un nadanon ne dushnam ki soorat per samajh liay thay."

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The Ahmadis just don't want to believe in the reality. The fact is their understanding of the Holy Quran is absolutely pathetic. Allah the Glorious guides those, who genuinely are looking for the truth. My message to Ahmadis is that please do yourself a favor, Check out the life of Mirza Ghulam. It is absolutely as clear as daylight that an average Muslims is a billion , trillion , gazillion times superior than Mirza Ghulam. I'd even say he is worst than an average non-Muslim too. For he did three stupid things, a) he was a non-Muslim b) he created a new Religion c) he made every possible attempt to molest the pure religion of Islam Dear Ahmadis, Mirza Ghulam has died, and he will be facing the scary fruit of his misadventures. Death is inevitable. You will die, and you will bear the fruit of what you choose. So please take pity on yourself and make the wise choice. Islam is the true religion, Hazrat Mohammad saw is the last and final messenger of Allah the Almighty, and anyone who claims prophethood after him is the biggest liar in this world. Come to Islam, come to the Real Ahmed saw, and free yourselves of the fake Mirza Ghulam. Your destiny is in your hands. Islam guarantees salvation. Qadianism will only lead you to eternal Hellfire. YaAllah inko hidayat de. Ameen!

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[quote name='Fatah-Momin' timestamp='1147486027' post='24645']
Ahmadiyya Awareness Campaign
29th March 1997

Praise be to Allah. His Love and Peace be upon Syedna Muhammad after whom there is no prophet & upon His Family & Companions

Is he a Muslim
Beliefs of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
by Dr. Syed Rashid Ali

Dear Brother /Sisters in Islam!
Assalamoalaikum wa Rehmatullah wa Barakatohu.

In 1974, Islamic Scholars from 124 countries of the world met in Makkah al-Mukarramah under the auspecies of Rabita al-Alam al-Islami. They passed a unanimous resolution declaring Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani and his followers (Ahmadiyya Movement/Qadianis/Ahmadis/Mirzais/Lahoris) APOSTATEs, KAFIRs and OUT of the FOLD of ISLAM. For the last 100 years all religious scholares of MAKKAH al- MUKARRAMAH, al MADINAH al MUNAWWARAH, EGYPT, INDO-PAKISTAN and all ARAB & MUSLIM COUNTRIES have been united in their stand in declaring them Apostates, Kafirs and out of the fold of Islam.

MODUS OPERANDI:
Followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad call themselves 'AHMADI MUSLIMs'. They especially go to remote areas where Muslims have never heard the name of Mirza Ghulam or Qadianism or Ahmadiyyah Movement. Pretending to be SUNNI MUSLIMs and using their vast resources, offering Financial and other Material Incentives, they have thus misguided the poor ignorant Muslims masses in various parts of the world especially in Central and Western Africa, Far Eastern Countries and Central Asian Muslim Republics. Muslims in these region mostly belong to the Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaah and have never heard of MIRZA GHULAM or AHMADI or AHMADIYYAH MOVEMENT and therefore they are unware that the entire Muslim Ummah has declare them KAFIR and out of the FOLD of ISLAM. Thus they turn a Sunni Muslim into AHMADI MUSLIM.
QUESTION: If AHMADIS ARE SUNNI MUSLIMS, WHY DO THEY CALL THEMSELVES AHMADI MUSLIMS?

WHO WAS MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD QADIANI
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was born in a Muslim family in the North Indian village of Qadian in 1839. He recieved some religious education at home. He suffered from a variety of physical and mental illnesses of various kind and had a habit of taking OPIUM and TONIC WINE. Under the influence of British Rulers of India he sold his faith for petty wordly gains. He claimed to be the Promised Messiah, Mahdi, Prophet and the Second Advent of Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him), who has come again in the from of Mirza to propagate Islam. He claimed that he recieve WAHI (Revelation) and named BRAHEEN-e-AHMADIYYAH as the BOOK of GOD. Britishers were facing difficulties in India because of the spirit of Jehad in Muslims and at their instigation, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad wrote books and pamphlets in which he ABROGATED JEHAD and made LOYALTY TO THE BRITISH RULERS AN ARTICLE OF FAITH. Mirza Ghulam formed the AHMADIYYAH MOVEMENT in 1889 and called his follwers AHMADI MUSLIMS. He labelled ALL THOSE WHO DID NOT ACCEPT HIM AND DID NOT ACCEPT HIS PROPHETHOOD as [AUTO EDITED]S (children of prostitutes). Mirza Ghulam Ahmad died in 1908 but Ahmadiyyah Movement has continued to flourish ever since; earlier under the patronage of British Masters and now the US and other anti-Muslim Governments.

UN-ISLAMIC BELIEFS OF MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD:
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad wrote 80 books during his life time, which provides an excellent insight into the mind of the man and how with passage of time his faith has evolved from Islam to Apostacy and Infedility. 'ROOHANI KHAZAIN' is the title for the collection of all the books by Mirza Ghulam, printed by the Ahmadiyya Movement Headquarter in London.

Mirza was born in a Muslim family. His early books therefore contained same beliefs as those of any other Sunni Muslim. But with the passage of time his beliefs underwent a dramatic change and his writings became more and more heretical and un-Islamic. However in an attempt to prove that Mirza Ghulam and Ahmadis are also Sunni Muslims, Ahmadiyyah Movement's propaganda literature usually give quotations from his earlier books. Ahmadis will mostly talk of Holy Quran and Hadith keeping Mirza Ghulam well in the background and usually presenting him as a Reformer or a Mujaddid or Mahdi Or Messiah, depending on which type of people they are preaching to. Mirza Ghulam's claims to Prophehood are not discussed.

Following are some extracts from the books of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad which provided the basis for Islamic Scholars to declare him and his followers Kafir, Apostate and out of the fold of Islam:

I. Mirza Ghulam says (Extracts from Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain, vol 3 pp.114-472):

Holy Prophet Mohammed(pbuh) did not understand the meaning of Surah AlZilzal.
Other Prophets have also made mistakes and lied. (Mirza trying to justify his false statements and unfulfilled prophecies - Author)

Hazrath Mohammad's Revelation also turned out to be wrong.
Revelation did not inform Hazrath Mohammad (pbuh) about Ibne Maryam, Dajjal, Khare Dajjal, Yajoog Majoog and Daabatul Ardh.
Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya is referred to as the Book of God in various other books by Mirza Ghulam eg. Roohani Khazain vol.22 p.502.
" 'Inna Anzalnaaho Qareeban min alQadian wa bil Haq anzalnaahu No doubt we have sent him (Mirza) near Qadian and with truth we have sent him'; . . . this revelation which has been published in Braheene Ahmadiyya as well, is clearly and loudly revealing that the name of Qadian is definitely mentioned in Quran or Hadith as a prophecy."
Names of Makkah, Madina and Qadian are mentioned with respect in Holy Quran.
Holy Quran is full of obscene words. {Mirza trying to justify his foul language that he used against his opponents

II. Mirza Ghulam claimed that :
He was the second advent of Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and better and superior than the first coming (Roohani Khazain vol 16 pp.272)
Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has come again in this world as Mirza Ghulam to propagate Islam. (Roohani Khazain vol.17 p.249)
Ahmadis should not differentiate between Mirza Ghulam and Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh) because "Anyone who differentiate between me and Mustafa (pbuh) has not seen me and not recognized me." (Roohani Khazain vol 16 pp.171).
Mirza's WAHI told him : "'Muhammadur Rasoolullah wallazeena ma'ahoo ashiddaohoo' ala alkuffar rohamao bainahum' in this Wahi God has named me Muhammad and Rasoolullah." (Roohani Khazain vol 18 pp.207)
Those who join Mirza's Jama'at becomes a SAHABI of Rasoolullah. (Roohani Khazain vol 16 pp.258-259)

Since Mirza Ghulam is none other than Holy Prophet Muhmmad (pbuh) himself, therefore when an Ahmadi recites KALIMA TAYYEBAH, by Muhammadur Rasoolullah he means Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani. (Kalimat al Fasl by Mirza Basheer Ahmad s/o Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani)

III. From Mirza s/o Chiragh Bibi to Jesus s/o Mary:
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was the son of Chiragh Bibi but he claimed that he is Eisa Ibne Maryam. He said that at first God converted him into Maryam for two years. After two years, God made him pregnant by blowing the soul of Eisa into him; he remained pregnant for 10 months, after whcih God converted him into Eisa. This is how he became Maryam as well as Eisa ibne Maryam. (Rooahni Khazain vol 19 pp. 87-89)

IV. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed that:
He was Maseel Maseeh that is he has certain qualities which resemled like Eisa ibne Maryam (Roohani Khazain vol 1 p. 593).
Hazrat Eisa (pbuh) was the son of Yousuf Najjar (Roohani Khazain vol 3 pp. 254).
Hazrat Eisa is dead and he will not come again. (Rooahni Khazain vol.3 p.402)
Jesus (Hazrat Eisa) was a habitual liar, had a habit of uttering obscenities, an alcoholic, gluttunous and a wicked person, neither a pious man nor a seeker of truth, he was a proud man and a self-conceited person who claimed divinity. (Roohani Khazain vol 9 p.387, vol.11 p.289).
"The fact is that Hazrat Eisa did not perform any miracles." (Roohani Khazain vol 11 p. 290-291)
"Three grandmothers of Hazrat Eisa were FORNICATORS and PROSTITUTES, from whose blood the body of Jesus came into being." (Roohani Khazain 11 p.291)
"Hazrat Eisa had become insane due to epilepsy." (Roohani Khazain vol 9 p. 417)
"I wish Hazrat Eisa had not come in this world." (Roohani Khazain vol 9 p. 417)
"I am better than Eisa ibne Maryam." (Roohani Khazain vol 1 p.593)
"I have certain qualities resembling Jesus .....my nature and the nature of Jesus resembles so much as if two pieces of the same atom or like two seeds of the same tree." (Roohani Khazain vol.1 p.593)

V. Mirza boasted that:
"Quran is God's Book and the words of my mouth." (Advertisment dated 15th March 1897, Roohani Khazain vol 22 p. 87)
"I believe in my WAHI as I believe in Quran and Torah." (Roohani Khazain vol.17 p.454)
"The basis for our claim is not Hadith but Quran and that WAHI which comes to us. Yes in support we also quote those Hadith which are according to Quran and DO NOT CONTRADICT MY WAHI. As for the REST OF THE HADITHs, I THROW THEM AWAY LIKE A WASTE PAPER." (Roohani Khazain vol 19 p.140)
Bait-ul-Zikr (Mosque adjacent to Bait-ul-Fikr, the room where Mirza Ghulam used to sit and write books) is like Haram-e-Ka'aba, 'Wa man dakhalahoo kaan amina' {and whosoever enters it, is in peace}." (Roohani Khazain vol. 1 p.666-667)
Verse [17:1] of Holy Quran: 'Praise be to Allah, who took His Servant on the Night Journey from Masjid Haram to Masjid Aqsa', its real and literal application is the Mosque built by father of Mirza Ghulam. (Collection of Advertisement vol.3 p.286)
[PS: According to Mirza Ghulam, Quran is the words of his mouth , his Mosque is like Haram-e-Kaba and Masjid -e-Aqsa is in Qadian and not in Jerushelm.]
VI. Mirza announced:

"I am Adam , I am Noah, I am Abraham, I am Isaac, I am Jacob, I am Ishmael, I am Moses, I am Jesus son of Mary, I am Mohammad SAAW. . ." (Roohani Khazain vol 22, p.521)
"True God is the one who has sent his Messenger in Qadian." (Roohani Khazain vol.18 p.231)

VII. Mirza declared that:
"Except for the Children of Prostitutes, whose hearts have been sealed by God, everyone else has accepted me and believes in my Prophethood." (Aina-e-Kamalate Islam, Roohani Khazain vol 5 p.547). . . . .

He, who does not believe on Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, is Disobedient to God and Prophet and will go to Hell." (Advertisement by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad dated 25th May 1900)

I am the "Self-implanted/Self-cultivated Seedling " of the British Government. "Government should take great care regarding this SELF-IMPLANTED SEEDLING . . . . .should instruct its officers to treat ME and MY JAMA'AT with special kindness and favours. Our family has never hesitated in shedding their blood in the way of British Rulers and did not stop from laying down their lives neither do they hesitate now." (Roohani Khazain vol.13 p.350)
"From my early age till now when I am 65 years of age, I have been engaged , with my pen and tongue, in an important task to turn the hearts of Muslims towards the true love & Goodwill & sympathy for the British Government and to obliterate the idea of Jehad from the hearts of stupid (Muslims). " (Kitab-ul-Bariyah, Roohani Khazain vol 13 p.350)
" . . . . for the sake of British Government, I have published & distributed 50,000 leaflets in this country (India) other Islamic countries(against jehad). . . . the result is that hundreds of thousands of people have given up their filthy ideas about Jihad." (Roohani Khazain vol 15 p.114)

Dear Brothers/Sisters in Islam!
These are the real beliefs of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani and his Ahmadiyya/Qadiani Jama'at, but the propaganda literature will only try to prove that they are Sunni Muslims. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims have lost their faith at the hands of Qadianis/Ahmadis because they had no knowledge about Mirza Ghulam or his Ahmadiyya Movement.

Western Powers are scared of the RESURGENCE OF ISLAM, the SPIRIT OF JEHAD of Muslims. They know that ANY MUSLIM WHO BECOMES A QADIANI/ AHMADI, is one Muslim less. Every Ahmadi must believe that JEHAD IS HARAM. Ahmadiyya Movement is therefore an agent of the Anti-Islamic Forces to take away our faith in the name of Islam.

MAY ALLAH PROTECT THE FAITH OF EVERY MUSLIM FROM ALL EVIL FORCES. AMEEN.

Wassalamoalikum wa Rehmatullahe wa Barakhatohoo
Your Brother in Islam

Dr Syed Rashid Ali

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To know the truth follow this link
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[color="#FF0000"][b]NO LINKS TO SITES OF DISBELIEVERS. [/b][/color] Edited by Efendi
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do not follow the propaganda against ahmadyia community. explore the true philosophy of ahmadyiat on www.[not allowed]. here is an introduction about ahmadya community.

[warning]Refrain from posting and adverting deviant material of Qadiani/Ahmadi websites here.[/warning] Edited by Jhangvi
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[quote name='Shahzad Salam Kasi' timestamp='1249634741' post='73145']
Then what is the need for Hazrat Eissa to come back as a Nabi ?
And what is the need of Imam Mehdi ? Why they would come ?[/quote]
Sayyidina Isa alaihissalam will not come back in the role as Nabi.
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"Khatm-e-nubuwwat" the messenger of Allah Hazrat Mohammad (sm) was last messenger. may [url="http://www.islamic.vg/allah/] Allah[/URL]"]Allah[/url] help us. Ahmadies is ahmadie, not other. thanks
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Hazrat ESA A.S come back as a ummati not as a nabi and imam mahdi just as a leader for us not more then at all....
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didn't know about that if i said any thing then this post make war ground :(
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[color=#ff0000]Stop spamming the forum with same post on every thread.[/color] Edited by UmarBinKhatab
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