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Shia always quote Hadith of the blessed prophet[saw] to the nearest meaning that "you are to me as Haroon was to Musa" we all know that Hz. Haroon[as] never succeeded Hz Musa[as] as he died during the life time of later, who succeeded Hz. Musa[as]?

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On 2/16/2007 at 0:51 PM, Fatah-Momin said:

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Shia always quote Hadith of the blessed prophet[saw] to the nearest meaning that "you are to me as Haroon was to Musa" we all know that Hz. Haroon[as] never succeeded Hz Musa[as] as he died during the life time of later, who succeeded Hz. Musa[as]?

Assalam u Alaikum brother

Hazrat Yusha bin Noon A.S succeeded Hazrat Musa A.S. The shias quote this hadith to say that the Holy Prophet SAW made Hazrat Ali his successor. Hazrat Haroon a.s was close to Hazrat Musa and he was made a deputy leader of Hazrat Musa a.s because Hazrat Musa a.s was not there for sometime as Holy Prophet SAW made Hazrat Ali the Deputy leader of Madina while he was on tabuk. So this is the logic behind this hadith. Shias can never prove their filthy religion.

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Assalam alaikum

Hadith al-Manzilah [A Sunni Perspective]

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The Shia propagandists oftentimes abuse the following Hadith in order to claim that the Prophet appointed Ali ibn Abi Talib as his successor:

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 700:

Allah’s Apostle set out for (the Battle of) Tabuk, appointing Ali as his deputy (in Medina). Ali said, “Do you want to leave me with the children and women?” The Prophet said, “Will you not be pleased that you will be to me like Haroon to Musa? But there will be no prophet after me.”

However, this Hadith is not evidence for the Caliphate of Ali after the death of the Prophet because the comparison made was between Ali and Prophet Haroon. It is well-known that Prophet Haroon died before Prophet Musa, and thus was never his successor after him.

The following is an explanation by Imam al-Qurtubi in his Tafseer:

There is no disagreement that Haroon died before Musa…and (Haroon) was not a successor after him (Musa), for the successor (to Musa) was Yusha bin Noon (i.e. Joshua), so if he (the Prophet) wanted by his saying (to grant Ali) the Caliphate, he would have said “you will be to me like Yusha was to Musa”, so when he didn’t say this it proved that he didn’t want that meaning, but he (simply) wanted that “you are my deputy over my family in my life and my absence from my family, like Haroon was deputy of Musa over his people when he left to speak to his Lord.”

Sayyid Mujtaba Musavi Lari, a Shia scholar, says
He (Allah) appointed Harun the helper, assistant, deputy and successor of Musa among his people, and even made him a prophet…Since Harun was the leader of all the Bani Isra’il, the situation of Ali, peace be upon him, was analogous.
source: Imamate And Leadership, http://home.swipnet.se/islam/books/imamate/lesson5.htm

This is simply incorrect: Prophet Haroon died before Prophet Musa, so it is impossible to claim that Haroon was the successor of Musa. The successor of Prophet Musa was Prophet Yusha (Joshua) and therefore if the Prophet had wanted to imply successorship, then surely he would have likened Ali to Prophet Yusha.

In Hadith al-Manzilah it is narrated that the Prophet left to go for war and he deputized Ali as the caretaker of his family in his absence. It was very routine at that time for a father to deputize his son as caretaker of the family in his absence; because the Prophet did not have a son, Ali was the most appropriate choice for this very noble task.

Sayyid Mujtaba Musavi Lari, a Shia scholar, says
To this we answer that whenever the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him and his family, left the Islamic capital, he would always appoint someone to act as his deputy. If by comparing Ali, peace be upon him, to Harun, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him and his family, had intended nothing more than the usual appointment of a deputy, restricted in his authority to Madinah for the period of the Prophet’s absence, why did he not use a similar expression for those other favored Companions he would appoint as deputy? Why did he not use the same or similar words to describe the services they rendered?
source: Imamate And Leadership, http://home.swipnet.se/islam/books/imamate/lesson5.htm

In order to respond to this, we must first understand the context in which this Hadith was said. Before the Battle of Tabuk, a band of the Munafiqoon (Hypocrites) began to spread anti-Islamic propaganda in order to dishearten the Muslims. One of the lies they spread was directed towards Ali ibn Abi Talib and it was because of this that the Prophet said what he said in the Hadith. We read:

Expedition to Tabuk

…The Munafiqoon were constantly in league with the Jews of al-Medinah and were holding regular consultations against the Muslims. A band of twelve Munafiqoon built their own separate mosque as a center for carrying out their hostile activities and anti-Islamic propaganda, and for creating a rift among the Muslims. When they saw the Muslims engaged in preparing for the impending battle, they started passing discouraging remarks…

Islamic Army’s Departure

The Messenger of Allah set out for Tabuk with an army of 30,000 men from al-Medinah…and he put Muhammad bin Maslamah Ansari in charge of al-Medinah…The Prophet had left behind Ali to look after his family. The Munafiqoon used this as an opportunity to spread false rumors about Ali. They implied that the Prophet gave little importance to Ali and therefore left him alone in al-Medinah. When his patience ran out, he (Ali) hurried from al-Medinah and–joining the Prophet at al-Jurf–asked: “The Munafiqoon are saying such-and-such about me and so I have come to you.” The Prophet of Allah said: “They are liars. I have left you behind to look after my household, so go back.” In order to soothe his feelings, the Prophet further added: “You are to me as Haroon was to Musa, except that there will be no Prophet after me.” Ali returned to al-Medinah pacified and satisfied.

(Tareekh al-Islam, Vol.1, p.232)

This context is understood by the Shia as well:

[not allowed] says

The Expedition of Tabuk

…The hypocrites in Medina seized this opportunity to plant disaffection in the minds of the neophytes in Islam. They not only did not take part in the campaign but also tried to dissuadeothers from doing so. In an attempt to undermine the will and purpose of the Muslims, they began to spread alarmist stories…

Nevertheless, many Muslims responded to the appeal of the Prophet, and took up arms to defend the faith. When a head-count was taken, there were found to be 30,000 volunteers. It was the largest force ever assembled in Arabia until then.

The Prophet appointed Ali ibn Abi Talib his viceroy in Medina during his own absence…For the hypocrites, there was nothing more disagreeable than to see Ali in authority over them. When the army left Medina, they began to whisper that the Apostle had left Ali in Medina because he wanted to get rid of him. Ali was mortified to hear that his master had found him a “burden.” He, therefore, immediately went after the army and overtook it at Jorf. The Apostle was surprised to see him but when he (Ali) explained why he came, he (the Apostle) said:

“These people are liars. I left you in Medina to represent me in my absence. Are you not content to be to me what Aaron was to Moses except that there will not be any prophet after me.”

source: Restatement of History of Islam, http://[not allowed]/restatement/34.htm
Sayyid Mujtaba Musavi Lari, a Shia scholar, says
…they (the Munafiqoon) began spreading idle rumors in the hope of weakening Ali’s position. They hinted that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him and his family, was angry with Ali, peace be upon him, and that it was for this reason that he had not been permitted to accompany him on a major military expedition.

Ali, peace be upon him, was greatly troubled and saddened by the circulation of these rumors, and he hastened to the presence of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him and his family, who had already left Madinah. He told him what had happened, and with a single historic sentence he clarified the special position of Ali, peace be upon him, once and for all:

“Are you not content that your relation to me shall be like the relation of Harun to Musa, excepting only that there shall be no prophet after me?”

source: Imamate And Leadership, http://home.swipnet.se/islam/books/imamate/lesson5.htm

Now we come back to the question of the Shia propagandist which was: “Why did he (the Prophet) not use the same or similar words to describe the services they (the other Sahabah) rendered (i.e. for similar tasks)?” The answer is obvious: the Munafiqoon did not spread this particular rumor except against Ali. It was this degrading rumor and Ali’s concern that caused the Prophet to say what he said in order to placate Ali. Had other Companions been similarly slandered, then perhaps they too would have refused to stay back in Medinah.

Because these other Sahabah did not feel dismayed with their deputyship and did not ask to go along with the Prophet instead of staying behind, there was thus no need for the Prophet to reassure them with such words as he used for Ali. On the other hand, when Ali was deputized by the Prophet to take care of his family, the Munafiqoon implied that this task was menial as it left Ali behind with women and children. This is the reason that Ali asked to go along with the Prophet instead. It was based on this specific concern of Ali’s (i.e. that the task was menial) that the Prophet spoke the words he did, in order to convey to Ali the extreme importance of taking care of his family in his absence.

Hadith al-Manzilah was said to Ali because of the circumstances, which were that Ali objected to staying behind with children and women as opposed to embarking on Jihad with the Prophet. By saying those words, the Prophet was explaining to Ali how he would be to him, by staying behind watching over women and children, like Haroon was to Musa when the latter left the former behind as a deputy over his people. The Prophet’s purpose in saying this was to reassure Ali that this deputyship was an honor and that he would not be any less than the ones who went to fight in battle.

[not allowed] says
The Prophet appointed Ali ibn Abi Talib his viceroy in Medina during his own absence. He selected Ali to be his viceroy for the following reasons: He wanted to show to the rest of the world that he considered Ali to be more qualified than anyone else to be the ruler of all Muslims, and to be the head of the Islamic State. He, therefore, appointed him as his representative in his capital.
source: Restatement of History of Islam, http://[not allowed]/restatement/34.htm

This is a very odd argument. This was the singular instance in which the Prophet left Ali as his deputy in Medinah, yet we know that there were many other battles in which the Prophet left other Sahabah behind as his deputy in Medinah. For example, the Prophet left behind Muhammad bin Maslamah Ansari as his deputy in Medinah; what if we told the Shia that this is a proof that the Prophet “wanted to show to the rest of the world that he considered Muhammad bin Maslamah Ansari to be more qualified than anyone else, to be the ruler of all Muslims, and to be the head of the Islamic state and the Prophet therefore appointed him as his representative in his capitol?”

To this, the Shia would say that this is a preposterous argument, yet suddenly they force this argument upon us in the one single instance in which the Prophet appointed Ali as his deputy. Therefore, we say to the Shia that their interpretation is just as preposterous as saying that the other Sahabah were appointed as Caliphs by the Prophet simply because he deputized them.

Shia says
The words “except there will be no prophet after me” indicates that Ali was being appointed for a task similar to Prophethood. Otherwise, there would have been no need to mention Prophethood at all.

One of the fundamental beliefs of Islam is that Prophet Muhammad was the final seal of the Prophets. Therefore, whenever Prophet Muhammad would liken anyone to a Prophet, he would make sure to clarify that this is only a comparison and does not mean there will be any Prophet after him. In a separate instance, the Prophet praises Umar as one who is very much inspired as Prophets were inspired, but he makes sure to clarify for the people that there would be no Prophet that would succeed him. These were clarifications that were necessary in order that people not be misguided on the matter later lest they take Ali or Umar as Prophets.

In any case, to end the discussion altogether, Prophet Haroon and his lineage were prohibited by the Law of Musa to take executive roles, but they were instead limited to religious, spiritual, and ceremonial roles. It was Prophet Yusha (Joshua) who became the Caliph (successor) of Musa, not Prophet Haroon nor his descendants. Throughout the Caliphate of the Shaykhayn and Uthman, Ali remained a spiritual guide for the people. Similar is the case with many of the Imams of the Shia, who secluded themselves from any temporal role and instead remained as spiritual guides.

The Hadith al-Manzilah does not at all help the Shia cause, but rather it is a strong proof against the Shia claims. Had the Prophet wished to imply that Ali was his successor, then he would have likened Ali to Prophet Yusha rather than Prophet Haroon. Instead, the Prophet likened Ali to Prophet Haroon whose role was not that of a temporal ruler but that of a spiritual guide.

Article Written By: Um Abdullah and Ibn al-Hashimi, www.ahlelbayt.com

Edited by Uthman Umar
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The following is a response to Shia article entitled: The Hadith of Manzila. The article was written as a refutation to Ibn Al-Hashimi’s article on the same subject.

The hadith that was eventually dubbed as “Hadith Al-Manzila” is significant to every Shi’ee since the beginning of tashayyu’. This narration, to them, stands as clear evidence that Ali was made successor by the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam). Even though the text has been interpreted by Sunni scholars to mean otherwise, the task has fallen upon us once again to reiterate this opinion while dealing with the supporting evidence brought by the Shia.

 

Section 1: The Meaning of Hadith Al-Manzila

Shia have done a good job of listing the relationship of Harun to Musa. They have successfully pointed out what was established in the Qur’an that he was a brother, a vizier, and his caliph to his people.
Truly, we find that these qualities can also be found in the relationship between Ali and the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam), even though Ali is not literally the brother of the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam).
However, none of these qualities are specific to Ali alone.
Firstly, we know that the believers were all given the status of brotherhood with one another. Allah (subhanabu wa ta’ala) says in His holy book:
إِنَّمَا الْمُؤْمِنُونَ إِخْوَةٌ

{The believers are but brothers}

Furthermore, the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam) had many viziers that he relied on and looked to for advice, in all matters, in times of war and peace. This was not specific to Ali in any way shape or form. Shia included weak disconnected narrations from Al-Dur Al-Manthoor and Al-Riyadh Al-Nadhira to establish that Ali was a vizier, even though there is no reason for them to provide evidence for a matter that is so widely accepted amongst all Muslims.
We also know that the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam) had many caliphs. These include Ibn Um Maktoom, Abu Lubaba, Abu Ruhm, Mohammad bin Maslama, Numaila bin Abdullah Al-Laythi, Uwaif bin Al-Adhbat, Siba’a bin Urfuta, and Ghalib bin Abdullah Al-Laythi. (Tareekh Khalifa, p. 48)
In this light, there is no doubt that these men were also in the same status. They were also in the position of Harun to Musa.

Most importantly though, there was another connection between Musa and Harun, which was that Harun attained the status of prophethood through the request made by Musa.
In order to dispel any confusion though, the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam) pointed out to Ali that he is the final prophet, and that there will not be any prophets after him.
However, one may ask: Why would the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam) liken his relationship with Ali to Musa’s and Harun? The answer can be found in the context of the events.
Ibn Al-Hashimi originally quoted Al-Thahabi:

The Messenger of Allah set out for Tabuk with an army of 30,000 men from al-Medinah…and he put Muhammad bin Maslamah Ansari in charge of al-Medinah…The Prophet had left behind Ali to look after his family. The Munafiqoon used this as an opportunity to spread false rumors about Ali. They implied that the Prophet gave little importance to Ali and therefore left him alone in al-Medinah. When his patience ran out, he (Ali) hurried from al-Medinah and–joining the Prophet at al-Jurf–asked: “The Munafiqoon are saying such-and-such about me and so I have come to you.” The Prophet of Allah said: “They are liars. I have left you behind to look after my household, so go back.” In order to soothe his feelings, the Prophet further added: “You are to me as Haroon was to Musa, except that there will be no Prophet after me.” Ali returned to al-Medinah pacified and satisfied.
(Tareekh al-Islam, Vol.1, p.232)

The context makes things significantly clearer. We use the possible likenesses introduced to us by Shia to fill in the blanks and then decide which makes the most sense.
Is it that Ali complained about being left behind and that the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam) reassured him that he is a brother?
Or is it that Ali complained about being left behind and that the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam) reassured him that he is a vizier?
Both comparisons do not make much sense considering the context of the events. This naturally leaves the final and correct interpretation that he was reassuring him that he was a caliph upon the people of Madinah, and that this was a rank to be sought after, and that it was a status shared by Harun when he was a caliph upon his people.

 

Section 2: The Temporal Relationship between Harun and Musa

In the previous section, we have pointed out that we accept that Harun was Musa’s brother, vizier, and caliph upon his people. We have also agreed with Shia that this was the station of Ali to Mohammad as well. However, we hold the opinion that two of these stations are temporal only.
Firstly, there are no doubts that Ali, and all the believers are the brothers of the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam), both in this life and the next.
However, it is not linguistically acceptable for one to argue that Ali was the Prophet’s (salalahu alaihi wa salam) vizier after his death, for the dead do not have viziers. No person in their right mind holds the belief that Ali would go to the grave of the Messenger (salalahu alaihi wa salam) and suggest war tactics and advise him on how to run the country.
Similarly, his position as a caliph upon the people of Madinah was as temporary as that of those that we have mentioned previously, like Ibn Um Maktoom, Abu Ruhm, and the others. For upon the return of the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam), they have rescinded their positions since he would take charge. In fact, these terms were as temporary as the caliphate of Harun upon his people, which only lasted until the return of Musa.
In this context, it becomes even clearer that there is nothing to suggest that the status of Ali as caliph extends to anything past the return of the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam), let alone after his death.

Once again, we quote through Ibn Al-Hashimi who quoted Al-Qurtubi for reaffirmation that:
There is no disagreement that Haroon died before Musa…and (Haroon) was not a successor after him (Musa), for the successor (to Musa) was Yusha bin Noon (i.e. Joshua), so if he (the Prophet) wanted by his saying (to grant Ali) the Caliphate, he would have said “you will be to me like Yusha was to Musa”…

 

Section 3: Would Ali have been the Caliph if the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam) Died when in Tabuk?

Shia argue:
It is common sense from Musa (as)’s words that Harun’s role was that as leader and successor, and should be acknowledged as such even if he were to die before Musa (as). Therefore the fact that he died and did not become khalifa does not in anyway alter this fact. Whilst we acknowledge that Yusha bin Nun became khalifa after Musa (as), this was only because Harun (as) passed away during his brother’s lifetime, had this not been the case Harun would have been khalifa. Once it is proven that Harun (as) had been appointed as the Khalifa of Musa (as) during his lifetime, then the same applies to Imam Ali (as), in Hadith Manzila the Prophet (s) made it clear that just like the appointment of Harun (as) by Musa (as), he (s) was likewise appointing Ali (as) as the Khalifa in his absence.
The assumptions made by Shia are ridiculous at best, since we have already established that were many companions that have held these positions.
If the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam) died when he was out during Hijjat Al-Wada’a, then Ibn Um Maktoob would have been appointed as the permanent caliph according to the suggestion brought by Shia. (Tareekh Khalifa, p. 48)

 

Section 4: Did the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam) say “Hadith Al-Manzila” on Other Occasions (in Sunni Hadiths)?

In response to the issue of context, Shia refer to the Sunni view as “utter bigotry”. They suggest that context should not be a factor since the narration has occurred in instances other than Tabuk. They also suggest that the statement “there is no Prophet after me” makes the context nonsensical. This has been addressed previously both in this article and Ibn Al-Hashimi’s article, so we shall move on to the narrations.
It should be noted that all the narrations that Shia quote are weak, what is authentic and  established is that it happened on the way to Tabuk.

First narration:
We read in Zakhair al-Uqba, page 120:
“Asma bint Umays said: ‘When Fatima gave birth to Hassan, the Prophet (pbuh) said to me: ‘O Asma, bring my grandson to me’. Then I wrapped him in a yellow cloth and gave him to the Prophet. The Prophet put him on his shoulder and said: ‘I never saw you wrapping a child with a yellow cloth’. Then he (the Prophet) replaced the cloth with a white one and then recited Adhan in (Haasan’s) right ear, and thene recited Iqama in (Haasan’s) left ear. The Prophet (s) then asked: ‘Ali, What have you named the child?’ He replied: ‘How can I keep it before you?’. The Prophet (s) then said: ‘I can also not give a name until Allah (swt) decides’. Gibrael then descended saying: ‘O Muhammad your Creator conveys Peace on you and says Ali is to you as Harun was to Musa except there is no prophet after you, give the child the same name that Harun gave his child…’
Upon returning to the text, we found that this narration was taken from the Saheefa of Ali Al-Redha, which is a Shi’ee text. Indeed, the narration was found on page seventy three of the text. The book has come to us through Abdullah bin Ahmad bin Aamer Al-Ta’ee from his father from Ali Al-Redha. However, this book is a fabrication attributed to Al-Redha. See Mizan Al-I’itidal 4/59.

Second narration:
We read in Tarikh Damishq, Volume 42 page 167:
“Ibn Abbas narrated that he heard Umar bin al-Khattab discussing with some people about the first Muslims, thus Umar said: ‘I heard Allah’s messenger (pbuh) saying three virtues about Ali, if I had one of these (virtues) it would be more lovable to me than anything else.
I was with Abu Ubayda, Abu Bakr and a group of companions, then the Prophet (s) patted Ali’s shoulder and said: ‘O Ali, you are the strongest amongst the believers in faith, the first Muslim who embraced Islam and your status to me is like the status of Harun to Musa”.
This narration comes through the path of Abdullah bin Athran, who doesn’t have a biography in hadith books. It also comes through the path of Al-Ma’moun, from Al-Rasheed, from Al-Mahdi, from Al-Mansour, the Abbasid caliphs, who were not hadith narrators. The narration is an obvious fabrication.
Shia provide a supplementary version of the same narration from Kanz Al-Umal, but it contains no chain, and is therefore weak.

Third narration:
We read in Tarikh Dasmishq, Volume 42 page 170:
“Jaffar bin Abi Talib said: ‘When Hamza’s daughter arrived at Madina, Ali, Jafar and Zaid disputed about her, thus Allah’s messenger (a) said: ‘Tell me what is wrong?’ Zaid said: ‘She is my niece and I’m worthier to take of her’. Ali said: ‘She is my cousin and I have brought her here’. Jafar said: ‘She is my cousin, and her aunt is my wife’. (The prophet) said: ‘O Jaffar, take her, you are worthier (to take care of her)’. Then Allah’s messenger said: ‘I will judge between you, as for you Zaid, you are my friend, and I’m your friend. As for you Jafar, you look like me physically and ethically. As for you Ali, your status to me is like the status of Aaron to Moses, except the prophethood’..”’.
The narration comes through the path of Abdulrahman bin Abi Bakr bin Ubaidullah who is weak to Yahya, Abu Hatim, Al-Nasa’ee, Ahmad, Al-Bazzar, and others. See his biography in Al-Tahtheeb.

Fourth narration:
We read in Fadhail al-Sahaba, Volume 2 page 638 Tradition 1085:
“Zayd bin Abi Awfa said: ‘I went to Allah’s messenger in his mosque, then he (Zaid) mentioned the story of brotherhood amongst the companions of Allah’s messenger. Then Ali said to the Prophet (s): ‘I lost my patience and felt sorrow when I saw you doing that to your companions but not to me, if I have incurred your displeasure I wish to apologise’.
Allah’s messenger said: ‘I swear by He who sent me with the truth, I only left you for myself, your status to me is like the status of Harun to Musa except there is no Prophet after me, you are my brother and my inheritor’. (Ali) said: ‘O Allah’s messenger, what shall I inherit from you?’ (The Prophet) said: ‘You shall inherit from me what the prophets used to inherit’. (Ali) said: ‘What did the Prophets inherit?’ (The Prophet) said: ‘The book of Allah and the Sunnah of the Prophet, you are with me in my palace in paradise along with my daughter Fatima, you are my brother and my friend’. Then Allah’s messenger recited the verse { (they shall be) as brethren, on raised couches, face to face.} 015.047”
The narration comes through the path of Abdulmu’min bin Abbad who has been weakened by Abu Hatim and Al-Bukhari. See his biography in Lisan Al-Mizan.

Fifth narration:
We read in Al-Mujam al-Kabir, Volume 9 page 287 Hadith 10929:
“Ibn Abbas said: ‘The prophet made brotherhood among his companions, between the Muhajreen and the Ansar, but he left Ali without making his brotherhood with anyone, thus Ali left in anger and went to a pool. The Prophet (s) then went after him and when he found him, he (s) patted him by his feet and said: ‘Stand up, you should be called Abu Turab, are you angry because I made brotherhood between the Muhajreen and Ansar whilst I left you without making brotherhood? Aren’t you pleased that your status to me is like the status of Harun to Musa except there is no prophet after me? Whoever loved you is faithful and who ever hated you, God will make him die a pre-Islamic death and will be judged about his deeds in Islam’.
The narration comes to us through Hamid bin Adam, who was declared as a liar by Al-Jawzajani, Ibn Adi, and Al-Sulaimani. See his biography in Lisan Al-Mizan.

Sixth narration:
We read in Tarikh Dasmishq, Volume 42 page 140:
Jabir said: Allah’s messenger (pbuh) came as we slept in the mosque, thus he hit us with a stick and said: ‘Are you sleeping in the mosque, it is not allowed to sleep in it’. Thus we woke up and Ali woke up, then Allah’s messenger (s) said: ‘O Ali, come here, it you are permitted to remain in the mosque whatever is allowed for me, don’t you like the fact that your status to me is like the status of Harun to Musa except there is no Prophet after me’..”.
The narration comes to us through Haram bin Uthman. Al-Shafi’ee used to say that: To narrated from Haram is haram. Many scholars have stated that he is not trustworthy. See his biography in Lisan Al-Mizan.

Seventh narration:
Umm Salim (mother of Salim) is a renowned female companion of our Holy Prophet (s). Prophet (s), he (s) frequently visited her, one day he said to her:
“O Umm Salim! Ali’s flesh is of mine, and his blood is of my own; he is to me as Harun is to Musa.”
Kanz ul Ummal, Volume 11 page 607 Tradition 32936
The narration, according to the author of Kanz Al-Ummal is from Al-Dhua’afaa’ by Al-Uqaili 2/308, which is a book that collects the names of weak narrators and liars. Shia knew this and decided to quote this secondary source instead of pointing to the actual source. Refer to the comments by Sh. Mazin Al-Sirsawi on the weakness of this narrator. Al-Uqaili himself pointed out that he was an extreme Rafidhi as well.

Eighth narration:
We read in Tarikh Dasmishq, Volume 41 page 18:
“Aqeel bin Abi Talib said: ‘I disputed with Ali and Jafar bin Abi Talib about something, thus I said: ‘By Allah you are not more loveable to Allah’s messenger (ah) than me, our relation is one and our father is one and our mother is one.’ Allah’s messenger (s) said: ‘I love Usama bin Zayd’.
I said: ‘I’m not asking you about Usama bin Zayd rather I’m asking you about myself’. He (s) said: ‘O Aqeel, by Allah I love you because of two qualities, for your relationship and for Abu Talib’s love to you. The most loveable to me is Abu Talib, while you Jaffar are the most similar person to me in morality whilst you Ali, your status to me is like the status of Harun to Musa except there is no prophet after me’..”.
The narration comes to us through the path of Musa bin Mateer who was accused of fabricating narrations by Yahya bin Ma’een. He was also weakened by Abu Hatim, Al-Nasa’ee, and Al-Daraqutni. See his biography in Lisan Al-Mizan.

Ninth narration:
We read in Tarikh Dasmishq, Volume 42 page 169:
“Ibn Abbas said: ‘I saw Ali approach the prophet (s) and hug him, he [Ali] then said: ‘I have been informed that you named Abu Bakr, Umar and others, whilst you didn’t mention me’. The prophet (s) said: ‘Your status to me is like the status of Harun to Musa”.

This narration comes through the path of Nahshal bin Sa’eed who was declared a liar by Ishaq bin Rahawaih and Al-Tayalsi. He was also weakened by several scholars. See his biography in Al-Tahtheeb.

Tenth narration:
We read in Tarikh Dasmishq, Volume 42 page 179:
Zayd bin Abi Awufa said: ‘Allah’s messenger (s) entered the mosque, thus Ali stood up, then he (s) said: ‘Your status to me is like the status of Harun to Musa except there is no Prophet after me’.
The narration comes through Shurahbeel bin Sa’ad who was weakened by Yahya, Abu Zur’ah, Al-Nasa’ee, while Ibn Abi Thi’b accused him of lying. See his biography in Tahtheeb Al-Tahtheeb.

Eleventh narration:
We read in:
1. Manaqib Ali page 238 Hadith number 214 by Maghazali
2. Kifayat Muttalib page 264 Chapter 62
3. Yanabi al Mawada, page 13 Chapter 22
Shaykh Suleman al-Hanafi al-Qanduzi records:
Ali said: ‘Allah’s messenger (s) said to me on the day of Khaybar: ‘If I wasn’t afraid that some people of my nation would say about you what the Christians said about Isa son of Maryam, I would have said about you some things today that whenever you passed by a group of Muslims they would take the sand under which you trod and they would take the remaining water of your ablution for healing purposes, but it shall suffice to have your status to me like the status of Harun to Musa except there is no Prophet after me’.
The narration comes through the path of Abdulrahman bin Ziyad Al-Afreeqi who was weakened by Yahya, Abdulrahman bin Mahdi, Ahmad, Al-Jawzajani, Al-Tirmithi, Al-Nasa’ee, Ibn Khuzaima, Al-Saji, Abu Ahmad Al-Hakim, and others. See his biography in Al-Tahtheeb.

 

Section 5: One More Weak Addition

Shia write:

Imam Ali (as) had been left in Madina to oversee all its affairs in the absence of the Prophet (s). The comparison of Imam Ali (as) to Harun (as) demonstrates that Imam Ali (as) was the caliph of the Prophet, in the same way that Harun was the caliph of Musa according to the Quran. This is made even more apparent in the version of the hadith narrated by the famous Sunni scholar Al Hakim al Nisaburi in his Mustadrak, volume 3 page 141. He narrates it with a small addition not found in many of the other narrations.
Ibn Abbas said: ‘Allah’s messenger marched to the Tabuk battle alongside thepeople, then Ali said to him: ‘Shall I march with you?’ The prophet replied: ‘No’. Then Ali cried, thus he (prophet) said to him: ‘Arent you pleased that your status to me is similar to that of Harun to Musa except there shall be no prophet after me, I shall not leave without you being my caliph’.
Al Hakim decalred it ‘Sahih’ while Dhahabi found no objection to it.
We should point out that this hadith in no way contradicts the other narrations found in the likes of Bukhari, it merely narrates further details that the other narrations did not have.

This is the same narration of Abu Balj which we have weakened in another article found here. Refer to this article for the details as to why this narration is weak.

 

Section 6: Did the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam) say “Hadith Al-Manzila” on Other Occasions (in Shia Hadiths)?

Shia attempt to provide other contexts for the narration of hadith Al-Manzila, but this time, by using Shia texts.

First occasion – When Imam Ali was the first person who embraced Islam, the Prophet said to him this hadith (al-Mahasin by Burqi, Volume 1 page 159).

The text that Shia are referring to is the following:

وقد كان أول من استجاب له علي بن أبي طالب صلوات الله عليه وقد قال له رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله : ” أنت منى بمنزلة هارون من موسى الا أنه لا نبي بعدي ” .

Rough translation: And the first that answered to him was Ali bin Abi Talib (salawat Allah alaih), and the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa aalih) had said to him, “You are to me as Harun was to Musa, except that there is no prophet after me.”

The narration does not explicitly say that this was said by the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam) after Ali answered to him. Rather, the narration lists two merits of Ali; that he was the first to answer, and that he was to the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam) what Harun was to Musa. There is no evidence here.

 

Second occasion – The day of Khaybar (Amali by Seduq, page 156).

This narration comes from the path of Sunni narrators, as well as the narrator Abdulrahman bin Ziyad that we have weakened in section 4 of this article.

Third occasion – when Fatima gave birth to Imams Hassan (as) and Hussain (as) (Amali by Seduq, page 197).

The narration is weak since it contains Al-Abbas bin Bakkar who is anonymous according to Al-Jawahiri (p. 300).

Fourth occasion – at Bani al-Mustaleq day (Amali by Seduq, page 238)

The narration is authentic. See our comments below.

Fifth occasion – On the day of brotherhood (Amali by Seduq, page 402)

The narration is weak due to more than one anonymous narrator. These include Qais bin Al-Rabee, who was declared anonymous by Al-Jawahiri (p. 470), Attiyah Al-Awfi (375), and others.

Sixth occasion – On the day of Tabuk (Amali by Tusi, page 342)

This narration supports the Sunni, or rather, the agreed upon view, that this event happened on the way to Tabuk.

Seventh occasion – Whilst conversing with Um Salamah (Elal al-Sharaie, by Seduq, Volume 1 page 66)

The narration comes through the path of anonymous narrators, according to Al-Jawahiri like Abaya Al-Asadi (p. 303).

Eighth occasion – in the mosque (Elal al-Sharaie by Seduq, Volume 1 page 202)

This page contains two narrations, both are from Al-Muthaffar bin Ja’afar, who is anonymous according to Al-Jawahiri (p607).

Ninth occasion – When the prophet addressed worshippers in the mosque in response to someone that had belittled him (Kitab Salim bin Qays, page 235)

This narration is a fabrication since it only comes through the path of Aban bin Abi Ayyash, who is weak. See Al-Jawahiri (p. 2).

Furthermore, he was weakened by Al-Tusi in his Rijal, while Ibn Al-Ghadha’iri accused him of lying.

Tenth occasion – When the hajj was performed (Amali al-Tusi, page 521)

The narration is weak since it contains more than one narrator that doesn’t have a biography in the books of the classical scholars, which makes them anonymous. These include Harun bin Amr Al-Mujashi’ee, Al-Fadhl bin Mohammad Al-Bayhaqi.

Eleventh occasion – A general one, that does not mention any specific event (Manaqib Amir al-Mominin by al-Kufi, Volume 1 page 499).

It is beyond us how Shia can allege that this is an “eleventh occasion,” when there is no event specified?! Their justification for including this as a separate occasion is beyond ridiculous.

Twelfth occasion – When the Prophet (s) was ill during the final days of his life (Kamal al-Deen by Seduq, page 264).

The narration is weak since it contains Aban bin Abi Ayyash. See above in the ninth occasion.

Thirteenth occasion – During Esra wa Miraq (Kamal al-Deen by Seduq, page 251).

The chain is weak since it contains Sahl bin Ziyad, who has been accused of lying by Ahmad bin Mohammad bin Eisa Al-Ash’ari and weakened by Al-Najashi. See the work of the latter for more. The narration also contains several Sunni narrators which this hadith has been falsely attributed to.

Fourteenth occasion – When the Prophet met al-Khizer (Uyoon Akhbar al-Raza by Seduq, Volume 1 page 13).

The narration includes more than one anonymous narrator, who don’t have biographies in classical rijal works. These include Ibrahim bin Mohammad bin Harun, Ahmad bin Abi Al-Fadhl Al-Balkhi, and Yahya bin Sa’eed Al-Balkhi.

Let us also read the explanation of Hadith Manzila from a Shia text. We read in Ma’ani al-Akhbar by Seduq, page 74:
Abu Harun al-Abdi said: ‘I asked Jabir bin Abdullah al-Ansari about the meaning of Allah’s messenger (s)’ statement to Ali (as): ‘Your status to me is like the status of Harun to Musa except there is no Prophet after me’.
He (Jabir) said: ‘By Allah he (the Prophet) made him (Ali) Caliph during his (s) life and after his death and made obedience of him (Ali) obligatory, so whoever didn’t submit to his Caliphate after hearing this statement, is verily amongst the unjust’’.

The narration comes through the path of Isma’eel bin Abaan, who is anonymous according to Al-Jawahiri (p. 62). The narration includes other anonymous narrators as well.

Ironically, after going through all the narrations we have come to the realization that Hadith Al-Manzila cannot be found as part of the story of the conquest of Tabuk within any Shi’ee book through an authentic chain, and that the only authentic narration about this event can be found in Al-Saduq’s Amali in Bani Al-Mustaliq. Though, we do have issues with this narration, since it is a major exaggeration of the events that took place at Bani Al-Mustaliq, since it includes that Khalid bin Al-Waleed asked the people to pray and then killed them. This action is not one that a fasiq commits, let alone a Muslim. It is therefore, inconceivable that the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam) would leave him in charge of his armies after such a vicious act. Moreover, the narration, in its original form, can be found in Sirat Ibn Hisham, though Ibn Ishaaq, who narrated it through Hakeem bin Hakeem through Al-Baqir. The narration doesn’t include these false additions, nor does it include the addition of “You are to me as Harun was to Musa.” See Ibn Hisham 2/365. In this light, we reject then the additions as fabrications that were concocted in order to dramatize the events.

Even though we have always rejected this narration since it came from a Shi’ee source, we made our case in order to invite the objective Shi’ee reader onto our ranks by accepting the Sunni version of Hadith Al-Manzila. The Sunni version is the one that actually fits the context after all.

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Edited by Uthman Umar
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