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Nabi [saww] ke janazay ko chorr ke chalay gaey Saqifa

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Nabi (sawaw) koe Allah ka Rasool mana hota toe dunyawee badshahoon kae marnae kee tarha Aap (sawaw) kae wisaal kae baad iss tarha kee bhondee harkat na kartae.

Gustakhi maaf, magar mein yahan topic se thora hat kar is baat ka jawab dena pasand karun ga jo "Muhammad_Bin_AbuBakr" sahab farma gye hein.

Shia, Hazrat Umar [RA] per Qirtas k waqaye mein ilzam lagatay hein k NABI [sAW] KA KEHNA NAHI MANA AUR UNKO KAGAZ QALAM PAISH NAHI KIYA GAYA JIS KI WAJA SE UMMAT GUMRAH HO GYE. To janab arz hai k Nabi [sAW] is waqaye k baad taqreeban 3-4 din zinda rahay aur Hazrat Ali [RA], jo ap k mazhab k mutabiq MOLA aur pata nahi kya kya hein, unhon nay in 3-4 dino mein Nabi [sAW] ko kagaz qalam kyun nahi la k diya? Agar Ummat ki gumrahi ka itna darr tha aur Nabi [sAW] ka kehna man-na sar ankhon per tha, to agar ye kaam Hazrat Umar [RA] nay nahi kiya to phir Hazrat Ali [RA] bhi barabar k hi mujrim hein. Nauzubillah

Mera maqsad yahan waqiya Qirtas per behes karna nahi, balkay "Muhammad_Bin_AbuBakr" ko ye batlana maqsood hai k likhnay se pehlay soch lia karo. Boht mash-hur kahawat hai k THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!

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Mohtaram Jhangvi,

yahan ap shayd ye bhol rahay hen k mana kis ney kiya tha, Yaqinan Hzrt Umer nay (jo k ap hi ki kutub say sabit hia) aur yahan men 1 aur bat kehta chalon, wo hukum asal men Rasul ka hukum nahi, balkay Allah ka hukum tha, aur jo us k hukum ko na manay ab ap usay momin kahin to ap ki aaqal ko subhan allah k siwa kuch nahi kaha ja sakta, jaisay k Quran Kareen Furqan-e-Hakeen men irshad-e-rabbani hai k 'Wama yantiqu Anil hawa in huwa illa wahyi'n yuha' yahin 'Rasul kuch nahi kehtay siwayay WAHIY-E-ILAHI k.

Baqi faisala ap ehl-e-ilm per

Gustakhi maaf, magar mein yahan topic se thora hat kar is baat ka jawab dena pasand karun ga jo "Muhammad_Bin_AbuBakr" sahab farma gye hein.

Shia, Hazrat Umar [RA] per Qirtas k waqaye mein ilzam lagatay hein k NABI [sAW] KA KEHNA NAHI MANA AUR UNKO KAGAZ QALAM PAISH NAHI KIYA GAYA JIS KI WAJA SE UMMAT GUMRAH HO GYE. To janab arz hai k Nabi [sAW] is waqaye k baad taqreeban 3-4 din zinda rahay aur Hazrat Ali [RA], jo ap k mazhab k mutabiq MOLA aur pata nahi kya kya hein, unhon nay in 3-4 dino mein Nabi [sAW] ko kagaz qalam kyun nahi la k diya? Agar Ummat ki gumrahi ka itna darr tha aur Nabi [sAW] ka kehna man-na sar ankhon per tha, to agar ye kaam Hazrat Umar [RA] nay nahi kiya to phir Hazrat Ali [RA] bhi barabar k hi mujrim hein. Nauzubillah

Mera maqsad yahan waqiya Qirtas per behes karna nahi, balkay "Muhammad_Bin_AbuBakr" ko ye batlana maqsood hai k likhnay se pehlay soch lia karo. Boht mash-hur kahawat hai k THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!

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Symptoms of Farewell:

When the Call to Islam grew complete and the new faith dominated the whole situation. The Messenger of All

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IMAM IS DEAD LON LIVE THE IMAM

On the day of Shahadat of Hz. Ali [ra] Imam Hassan [ra] appears on the mimbar and after praising Allah he says:

O people! Tonite Quran was revealed, tonite Hz. Essa bin Mariam [AS] was raised to heavens, tonite hz. Ushee Bin Noon[AS] recieved shahadat and tonite is the nite when Ameerul Momineen hz. Ali[ra] has recieved shahadat"

Then he got off the mimber and took pledges for his Imamate. [Jali alayoon #219]

Hz. Hassan does not wait to bury his father or may have buried the blessed body of Hz. Ali[ra] what ever the case may be that very day he appear on the mimber and declares his Imamate, Hz. Hassan[ra] does not even wait for the obligatory period of mourning that is three day to pass before declaring his imamate, Why?

When the companions did this the shia call them nouzobillah greedy for power, so what would they Hz. Hassan[ra]

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kitna ajeeb aitraz hay ,

aour is say bhee ajeeb baat yeh hay kay jab in aitrazat ka jawab bee diya ja raha hay

to phir bhee main na manoo . wali ratt

yani kuch bhee ho in sahaba rz ke shan main ghustakhi karnee he karnee hay.kiya baat hay shiaizm kee

aour main yeh pochta hoon

agar yehee ekhtilaf APP SAW zindagee main hota

to kiya NABI AKARM SAW is baat ko ghair aham samjh kay nazar andaaz kar daitay

main samjhta hoo kay yeh mamla nabi akram saw ke zindagee ka sub say aham mamla hota aour app saw

her kaam chor kar pehlay is masalay ko hall kartay.

aour agar us waqat sydna abu bakr ,umar wahan say gayai ,

to main samjhta hoon ko in dono hazarat ke aqalmandi ke wajah say hee ummat entishar ka shikar honay say bachee.

warna main samjhta hoon kay agar yeh loog us waqat kafan dafan main hee lagay rehtay hoo NABI AKRAM SAW ke yeh ummat khatam ho jate,.aour hum loog is duniya say hee ghaiyab ho chukay hotay.

aour yeh bhee sochnay kee baat hay kay kafan dafan kay leyai akhir kitnay logon ke zaroorat thee.

aour jab yeh sara kaam ho raha tha,is kay mutalik itni fikar kiuon hotee.\

masala to jab hota kay app saw ka jism mubarak bay ghoro kafan para rehta aour kowee pochnay wala na hota.

aour kiya sahaba rz,ya sydna ali rz nay in hazarat rz ko kabhi yeh tana diya ,

ya yeh aitraz kiya , jo ajj shia ko nazar a gaiya .magar ajj say 1400 sal pehlay kisi ko nazar nahin aya.

ABU BAKAR O UMAR RZ ,

hum app ka yeh ehsan kabhi nahin utar saktay ,allah app per aour bhee rehmatain karay.

ameen suma ameen

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Asslam-o-Alaikum

Yeh hi to baat hai shiaizm ki k sahaba karam ki baatun ko pakar kar uchaltai hain usai Aib bana kar dikhanai ki koshish karatai hain unkai chotai sai chotai fail per tunz kartai hain or ghalti nikalnai ki koshish kartai hain.or yeh baat nahi samajhtai kia ye sahaba wo shagird hain jinkai ustad hazrat Muhammad ur rasoolAllah image008.gif hain .

Jo log sahabah kiram khasusan hazrat Abu bakar RA, Umer RA o Usman R A ki shaan ghatanai ki koshich kartai hain .un logun ki waja sai in sahabiun ki shan to nahi ghatai gi magar in logun ki Aakhrat zaroor barbad ho jai gi. Ba Adab Ba Naseeb Be Adab Be Nasib

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shiaoon nay ab tak jawab nahi dia kay doosray imam nay teen din ka intizar keyoon nahi kia, aur imam ki wafaat ki raat ko he apni imamate a ilaan kar kay baite laynee shorroo kar dee. Akhir doosray imam nay intizaar keyoon nahi kia?

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MAshaAllah is post sa kafi kuch seekhnay ko mila aur ya bhi dikh raha hia ka Shia kitnay dheeet hian aur inki aqul kitni bokus hia ka such dekh kar bhi aur jawab pa kar bhi doobara wahi sawal kartay hai kyunka inma itna hosla hi nahi ka such parh and sun saka ya tu Takia walay log hain lolz

meray Shia Hazrat sa kuch sawalat hia ummeed hia jawab tu de sakta hongay jub itnay baray baray aitiraz kar saktay hain.

1- Chalain Na-Aaozubillah maan liya thori dair ka Hazrat Abu Baker /Umer R.A na Nabi S.A.W ka Janaza chor kar khilafat ki fikar start kardi and Islam ka khilaf sazishain start kardi aur sazish bhi aisi ka Tamam Sahaba-e-Kiram na usper bait bhi karli ..

AGAR IS SAZISH KA ILM HAZRAT ALI R.A KO THA TU UNHO NA HAZRAT ABU BAKER R.A KI KHILAFAT KO TASLEEM KYU KIYA AND BAIT KYU KI AND MAJLIS_E_SHOORA KA RUKUN BHI RAHAY ??

1- kiya waja ya thi ka woh khud Bait karkay sazish ma shareek hona chahtay thay ?

2- kiya waja ya thi ka Sher-e-Khuda Sahaba-e-Kiram R.A ka Majma dekh kar aur unki ittiba dekh kar DUR gae thay jub ka banu Hashim unkay saath thay?

3- kiya Sher-e-Khuda ma us waqt itni Himmat nahi thi ka agar Islam ka khilaf sazish ho rahi thi aur unka Huq mara ja raha tha tu AWAZ buland kartay aur Jung ka Ailan kartay jubka Banu Hashim puri unkay saath thi . unho na JUNG kyu nahi ki aur ISLAM ka khilaf bakol aapkay jo sazish ho rahi thi usko accept kyu kar liya aur phir apnay Dor-e-Khilafat ma bhi un logo sa jung nahi ki jo bakol aapkay Sazish ma shareek thay?? ( KIYA HAZRAT ALI R.A ko apni jaan Deen-e-Muhammad S.A.W sa zyada azeez thi) ???

4- jub Syeda Fatima R.A ko Ilm hoa ka Hazrat Ali R.A na Hazrat Abu Baker ki khilafat ko tasleem karka bait karli hai and Bani Hashim na bhi tu Syeda nai aitiraz kyu nahi kiya aur woh khud kyu shamil ho gae ( Kiya Ahl-e-Bait ko Deen-e-Muhammadi S.A.W sa zyada Apni janain pyari thi) ?? jo woh Itiba kartay rahay aur Majlis-e-Shora ma active rahay?

5- Agar aisa sub tha tu aap phir maan lenga ka Ahl-e-Bait sa aur sub sa barh kar Na-Aaozubulliah Hazrat Ali R.A sa buhat bari mistake hoi ka ISLAM ka khilaf sazish ko khatum karnay aur awaz buland karnay ka bajae woh us sazish ka hissa banay aur phir uskay khilaf aawaz hi nahi uthae ( Tu jo Sher-e-Khuda Hazrat Ameer Muwa'yia sa JUNG per razi ho sakta hai woh Hazrat Abu Baker/Umer R.A aur doosray sahaba sa jung per kyu nahi niklay ????????????????????????????

tu agar Bait karna mistake thi ya Dur tha tu phir aaj sa Hazrat Ali ko Apna IMAM maan na bund kar deejia kyunka aap hi ka Fiqh and Religion ka mutabiq Imam Masoomul Khata hota hia woh minjanib Allah hota hia tu ya Na-Aaozubillah kesa IMAM tha jo apna HUQ ka ailan hi na kar saka aur Bait karkay Ghalti kar betha aur dur giya tu in sari soorto ma

YOU YOURSELF DENYING THE CHARACTERSTICS OF IMAMAT IN HAZRAT ALI R.A SO STOP CALLING HIM YOUR IMAM BECAUSE JO DUR JAE JIS SA GHALATI HO JAE AUR JO APNI IMAMAT KA HI AILAN NA KAR SAKA AUR DOOSRAY KA HAATH PER BAIT KARLAY WOH AAP KAI MAZHAB (SHIA"T) KA MUTABIQ IMAM NAHI HOTA

Umeed hia ka Jawab Reference to context ma hi diya jaega aur is Sangeen ghalti per roshni dali jaegi (jo infact ghalati nahi thi).

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Allama Shibli Numani Ahle Sunnat ke Shamsul Ulema hain

wo kitab Al Farooq Page 40 per likhte hain

keh ye SACH hai keh Hazrat Abu Baker or Hazrat Umer dono Nabi(s) ke JANAZA be gor o kafan chor ker SAQIFA chaley gae

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acha tu tum ya kahna chahta ho kay wo chor ka bhag gaye likin shayed Shibli Sahab ki ya baat nazar nahi aye ka wo kahta hain ka IkhtilafeRawiyat mojood hai jasa onhon na bayan nahi kya aur jo inhon na likha ka foran chala gaye tu ya kas hadees main likha hai kyon ka Mulsim ka nazdeek Shibli ya koi aur Masoom nahi hain ka jin sa Tajziya main ghalti na ho.aab ata ho IkhtilafeRawiyat par ka wo kya tha.Rawiyat main hai kay Kai ghanton tak Tamam Sahaba kiram par AlameBehoshi raha.Bahar sorat asi waqt Hazrat Abu Bakr ka Farmana sa Hazrat Ali na ghusal diya aur dafnaya aur Huzoor Alihsalam ka janaza tayar hoa aur baz rawiyat main ha ka Janaza ki namaz bhi Hazrat Abu Bakr hi na parhai.aab ka khilafteAbu Bakr wo umer ka saboot tumhari kitaab sa ho ga.

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Ya hai Shaion ki mutaber TafseereMujamulBayan as mina likha hai ka jo ayat Quran ki SuraheTahreem main ya bata rahi hai ka aik Raaz Huzoor Alihsalam na Apni biwi ko bataya wo Biwi Hazrat Hafsa thian aur Raaz tha Abu Bakr aur Umer ki khilafat.Sunnion bhala shia asa parhain ya na parhain aap log Zaroor pharna aur ya dekhna ka katna jahil hain ka apni Tafseer main jo baat mujood ha Quran ka hawala sa wo bhi nahi manta.as main aap log shoro main www. laga kar mulahza kar sakta hian kyon ka admin ki taraf sa link bhajna ki ijjazat nahi ha.dosra taqreeban tamam tafaseer main yahi baat mujood hai.

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Hazrat Abu Bakr wo Umer ka Fazail aur on ki Khilafat ka haq hona ka saboot Shia ki kitaabon sa.Hai koi jawab Shiaon ka pass

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JazzakAllah aap nay Shiaoon kay maun per zoor dar tamacha mara hai.

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@ Noman

Noman bhai, Jazaak Allah for such great info... We all wish that you stay here with us. Hope you will honour us with your stay here...

Wassalam Alikum

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Usool KAfi ,Baab Moolidunnabi

rasool arabi ka namaz e janaza nahi huwa balike loog grow dr grow aate aur un per salat o salam bijwate

yaha tak k tamam madina k logon ne dua ki

aur phir waheen dafan howe mere AAQA

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baat noman sb app na bari achi ki per meri nazar sa ya rewat kabi nahi guzari albta ya baat hazart abu bakar hazart umer dono hazart na ki ali na hota ma hlaq ho jata.

this is another stroy app sirf is baat ka jawab do kia khulfat nabi pak ka janazay sa ziyda zrooi thi ya hazart abu bakr jasa app na rewat liki sab sa afzal tha un ko is baat ka yqeen nahi tha ka agar wo saqifa na ja to sad bin abada khlifa ban jia ga aur bad ma un ki koi baat nahi suna ga.

saqifa ki asliya ma tumra jawab ka bad do ga

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